This thread attempts to chronicle the path from awake to woke. No claims are made towards it's accuracy.
The beginning lesson for all is the simple bedtime story for impatient pajeet kids asking for a story - >ek tha raja, ek thi rani >dono margaya >khatam kahani Which translate to there once was a king and a queen. Both died. That's the end of the story.
The second lesson of dharma is the nature of consciousness. Consciousness is shared amongst living beings, the same way a dog knows you have a treat even before any training exercise begins. You must learn to hear the voices of consciousness, even those which are not agreeable. Find a crowded place, like a popular bar, sit down, and observe. Close your eyes, and continue observing. Slowly, you will learn to identify who is whom, what their problems are, and how best to placate them with sweet words. The second exercise is to silence the bar - project your spirit consciousness and drive the conversations to a halt by power of will. Weaker souls will bow to the infinite wisdom you are projecting, and silence their voices in deep thought about themselves. Do not think of this as your own achievement, or you will fall out of dharma, as my first pupil.
Rather, consider the silence you can now create as the precursor to true meditation. Now we will improve your meditative technique.
First, go buy a candle. Stare at the flame. Observe how it flickers and dances; observe how it consumes both the wick and the oil. Extinguish the flame, and sit in darkness. Clear your mind, and focus all of your consciousness on imagining the flame still flickering within your mind's eye, in full detail. Continue this exercise until the flame feels real, that it truly exists; when your hand goes over the extinguished wick, you recoil for fear of burning your fingers. Now, in full concentration on maintaining the fire, delete the flame from your mind. What is left? Pure consciousness. Strive to maintain pure consciousness without thought as long as possible in your future meditations.
Having discovered and honed your meditative technique, now (you) can properly receive the stories of Ramayana and Mahabharat. Read them, and reflect on the texts. Particularly of memory for me is the story of Arjuna meeting Hanuman. Arjuna, arguably the best archer in ancient India, sought boons from Lord Shiva, and so ventured deep into the Himalayas, whereupon he ran across Hanuman. Arjuna recognized Hanuman, and upon hearing of the prowess of Shri Ram, arrogantly asked Hanuman "if Rama was such a great archer, why did he require the help of the creatures of sea, forest, and mountain to build a bridge, instead of making a bridge of arrows himself." With this comment, Hanuman grew angry with Arjuna, and challenged him to build a bridge across a small pond formed from the recently melted snow. Arjuna drew his bow, and began building a bridge of arrows. Hanuman grew in size, and smashed the bridge before it was completed. Arjuna, a proud kshatriya, refused to give, and began shooting arrows once again. Hanuman once again tried to smash the bridge to pieces, but noticed a small turtle underneath and tempered his blow. Hanuman recognized the turtle as Krishna, having transformed himself, and bowed his head, as did Arjuna. Krishna chided Hanuman for being cross with Arjuna because Hanuman knew Arjuna fought for dharma, and chided Arjuna for being arrogant beyond his means in front of Hanuman. Both realized their faults and regained humility, and as a result Hanuman swore to Arjuna that he would grace the flag of Arjuna's chariot and protect it from harm in battle in the coming great war. From this, was born the flag of dharma, whence Hanuman carried the entire mountain of herbs to Shri Rama rather than leave a single necessary herb behind and thus hinder Lakshman's recovery. A true kshatriya will always perform his duty beyond that which is requested without hesitation.
Dharma is a purely eastern concept, and is difficult to translate purely to Western words. Dharma is the universal consciousness, the composite summation of the consciousness of all living beings. If you've seen star wars, substitute the word "force" for dharma, and you may begin to understand. All living beings both have and contribute to dharma. A tree cannot breathe out carbon monoxide any more than you can create oxygen, that is your dharma. Simultaneously, dharma encompasses more. A prostitute's dharma is to have sex for dharma, otherwise she wouldn't be a prostitute. A warrior's dharma is to protect, otherwise he would be a coward. It is the essential nature of being.
Karma is the cloud surrounding individual consciousness. You will never know if she REALLY likes you, or is playing a long-con for your money. You cannot perceive from her perspective, and so you cannot know. That is the cloud of karma. From the perspective of dharma, all is clear; from the karmic perspective, you only know what is yours. To absolve oneself of karma, you must be able to listen on end to the infinite consciousness, which is why you have practiced your meditation. Only by quieting the self-soul and self-thought, will you ever be able to perceive the souls and thoughts of others. Now, you will begin to exercise attainment. Jokes will become funnier, feels will become feelier, the universe will seem closer to you and yet even further away, as you grasp the distance between your own self-soul and the souls of others.
At this point, you will begin to grasp the nature of true attainment; you will have one last chance to turn around and take what you have learned for your own benefit, with little lost. If you continue, the pains of all people will become your pain. The joys of all people will become your joy. As this happens, you yourself, in your self-soul, cease to enjoy "joy" or "sadness". After all, you are beginning to grasp that which is, will be, and was. What can surprise you into happiness, or discourage you into sadness? You already knew it is. Continue to practice your meditation, and know that nothing can stop you at this point. The story of Ekalavaya comes to mind. Ekalavaya was a tribal prince, and was devoted to Sage Drona even though he was never accepted as an official student. He prayed each morning to a portrait of Drona, and practiced his archery in the name of his guru. As a result of his meditation, he became an archer that arguably surpassed Karna and Arjuna. As a result of the promise Drona had made to Arjuna, Drona asked for Ekalavaya's thumb as guru dakshina, the gift from student to teacher. Without hesitation, Ekalavaya took off his thumb and compromised his archery skill, and so Arjuna became greatest archer.
Nevertheless, Ekalavaya's story lives on. The Indian program for education of the poor and under-represented takes it's name after him. Such is the nature of dharma - the true nature of the self-soul, if virtuous and with dharma, remains in the collective consciousness long after the flesh-body has departed. So too is it with Shri Ram, Hanuman, etc. Even fictional characters can take dharma form, because the human consciousness can create virtue from fiction.
Now things really start getting kooky by Western standards, like walking on hot coals or sitting still for years. You are beginning to achieve godhead/godhood, and so the troubles of the material world seem to be a film. Something you watch with great fascination, but you know when it ends everything will go back to the same, eventually. Strange things will materialize in your life; you will notice that the universe around you seems to accomodate your existence, from a late term paper being accepted for full credit to people trusting you for no reason at all. You are beginning to walk in the shadow of dharma, and the universe itself is shaping its reality to your being. You mustn't mistake this for weakness, nor should you take advantage of those who are not awakened. Remember, the nature of dharma can be aroused in all living beings, and can spontaneously arise from fiction itself. You don't even know that I'm not a dog with a clever copy-paste function, but my words have led you to a higher level of being. From this point, I no longer have much to teach.
In order to not fall into despair from this point, you must fortify yourself with a strong self-will; create a dream that you live for and will it that you succeed in fulfilling it. Walk in the shadow of dharma and know that other attained individuals will see you, and that the universe itself, and in that respect human consciousness, is reflective of your actions. Pic related is interesting reading to further your studies, as are the original epics of Hinduism, as well as the stories of Siddartha Gautama (the buddha) and Ashoka, the first emperor of India. Jai Shri Rama, Jai Hanuman.
Dharma has a few meanings, one of them is nature. As in, it is your dharma to be rude. Can be loosely translated as the essence of a person's nature or spirituality or effect on the world
Hudson Russell
Anything you set yourself in opposition comes to largely define you, in some sense. This is because, on a deeper level, the border between oppositional characteristics is indeterminate. This is the meaning of Tat Tvam Asi. However, it is one thing to conceptually speak of it and another things to actually experience it.
Zachary Turner
Reeee fucking long winded stories I nearly failed in both in junior school
Xavier Moore
you can be enlightened while simultaneously not denying science
There's a lot of shit in here I feel like could be explained much better book recc: Heart of the Buddha's Teachings by Thich Naht Hanh. Great intro to the stuff of eastern philosophy, easy read, very enjoyable.
Lucas Turner
Nobody ever posted anything of this nature as far as I've seen; I'm only trying to shed light on the conversation that's missing.
Joshua Campbell
>you can be enlightened while simultaneously not denying science If you study theoretical physics, then some of its questions intersect, but I don't have much nuanced background to get into that. Regardless, in short, the belief in a permanent fixed self-being is not necessarily supported by science. What I am getting at is you can still believe in the lack of separation between perceiver and what is perceived while accepting science on a functional level.
Hudson Kelly
Shoulda learned 'em from pops like I did.
This is true.
Benjamin Edwards
Krishna chided Hanuman for being cross with Arjuna because Hanuman knew Arjuna fought for dharma, and chided Arjuna for being arrogant beyond his means in front of Hanuman. Both realized their faults and regained humility
The point to remember is that a lot of the old stuff is misinterpreted by modern politicians and even priests. They find ways to twist or mistranslate the Vedas and puranas to fulfil their own agendas, like in the mughal period when seafaring Hindus were forcibly fed cow flesh by Muslims to stop native trade, instead of revising their religion for the better the priests called upon Hindus to neglect the seas
William Phillips
i'm interested in what medicinal practices your culture does currently/in the past. did they smoke, drink or eat anything that is directly attributed to higher knowledge? literal forbidden fruit? shamanistic rituals of some sort?
Ethan Young
Will i get stuck in samsara forever if I pick my nose and eat the bogies?
Isaac White
Acacia has pokey thorns but has many medicinal uses, even though it is bitter. Other animals seem to have no problem with the thorns or bitterness.
If you want to read deeper into it than that, I suggest a good documentary from BBC on elephants and geo-engineering/terraforming.
But that would be against dharma; this thread is exactly for the purpose of stopping such things.
Dharma dictates that the frogposter will be BTFO by a descendent of the aryans
Robert Bailey
Thank you but learning about the elephants has no interest to me right now. I'm moreso concerned with how your people treated DMT/DMT-derivatives and how it led them to see and attain the higher consciousness that every religion has.
Oliver Myers
No but you will develop a better immune system, I suppose.
Bhang is still widely consumed which is simmered milk with cannabis and other flavoring ingredients. Tobacco was not widely consumed in ancient India. Drinking never took on the same culture as it did in the West, and has always been somewhat more taboo than in the West. Fermentations of coconut sap, "toddy", are more common than beer or wine where I am from.
Turmeric, curry leaves, methi (fenugreek), chili powder, garlic, ginger, neem, drumstick leaves, mango and guava are widely consumed and attributed medicinal value in Andhra.
Quote from Yajur Veda Yoking mind first, Extending his thoughts, Savitr Discerning the light, Hath brought Agni from the earth. b Yoking with mind the gods, Going to the heaven, the sky, with thought, Those that are to make great light, Savitr instigates. c With mind well yoked are we In the instigation of god Savitr, For strength to go to the heaven. d They yoke their minds, they yoke their thoughts, The priests of the mighty wise priest, He alone, who knoweth the way, appointeth their functions [1] Great is the praise of the god Savitr. e I yoke with honour your ancient prayer; The praises go like Suras on their way; All the sons of immortality hear (it), Who have achieved dwellings divine. f He whose advance others followed, Gods, of the god praising might, He who meted out the regions of earth, He is the brilliant god Savitr in greatness. g O god Savitr, instigate the sacrifice, instigate the lord of the sacrifice [2] to good luck; may the divine Gandharva, who purifieth thoughts purify our thought; may the lord of speech to-day make sweet our utterance.
Justin Green
No substance will take you further than you were ready, nor is any substance necessary to get there. They can be valuable shortcuts, but if your goal is to consume drugs then all you will achieve is drugs consumed. Attainment is always found in the journey, not at the end.
What destiny transcends an emperor? That of a traveler, who has completed his travels.
Goddamnit no! Well, yes of course but you have to realize that DMT is the foundation for all of this. The secret teachings are symbols to be unlocked and they are hidden in plain sight! Are you knowledgeable with how your myths were once reality? Does your culture talk about """counterspace""" and how it's necessary to life? "Squaring the circle/Everything is spiral", does that phrase mean anything to you? >sorry, im just anxious because you're the only poster i've found who can probably understand and even relay the information forward i've gathered from my friend better than i can
David Miller
>be pajeeta >get sent to oxford to learn English >catch the femin virus >return to spread it
Jace Nelson
>squaring the circle >everything is spiral Only in the context of Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann do these phrases take meaning for me, but I am colored/karma'd by my own heritage. I've also never tried DMT, so that's a problem.
First, a warning. From learning from me, and over the internet, you will hereby forgo brahmanic tutelage and adopt my gotra, my gurukula. I am vallatla, passed most likely through sage vishwamitra to Ram, and then to Hanuman and the vanaras who spread it amongst our clan/caste kamma.
The mahabharat describes our clan as "Decked with ornaments, possessed of red teeth, endued with the prowess of infuriate elephants, attired in robes of diverse colours, smeared with powdered scents, armed with swords and nooses, capable of restraining mighty elephants, companions in death, and never deserting one another, equipped with quivers, bearing bows adorned with long locks, and agreeable in speech were the combatants of the infantry files led by Satyaki, belonging to the Talavana (Telivāha = Godavari ??) tribe, endued with fierce forms and great energy."
We are not brahmins, and I cannot teach you more than I know.
There are cancerous people here just like over there, and the worst thing is muslims , they preach feminism and equality but themselves don't let their wives wear real dresses. Also the Muslims living in India all think they're living in Pakistan or at least identify with them rather than coexist with hindus
Samuel Gomez
>build a bridge, instead of making a bridge of arrows himself." >Persian virtue: To speak truth, and have one's arrows hit their mark If you read Thus Spoke Zarathustra, this encounter between Hanuman, Arjuna, and Krishna gets to the heart of Being.
>This is the meaning of Tat Tvam Asi. Heidegger's dasein (therebeing, theredwelling, prescencing, instantiation)
>theoretical physics Morphic resonance (applied quantum biology) is a good analogical point of departure
>haven't watched it but it's been added to my growing list of animu Pure DMT is noted to be very strong and very short-lived (never tried it but the experiences seem to be the same) Changa on the other hand allows one to experience the (almost same) effects for a little while longer while being able to "bring back" the knowledge and experience from the trip. Read DMT: The Spirit Molecule for further insight on the drug itself but read The Secret Teachings of All Ages to see similarities between your religion and all religions/ancient mystery schools
Adam Wilson
Interesting, but the clanship and castes are long gone. Sudras, or whoever is cunning enough to forge a caste certificate, are supposed to inherit the earth now, and our gurus care more about money than teaching the right thing. We all know we lost. We have to embrace the future, evolve or die.
Oliver Cook
It is not my place to comment on another country's affairs; I've spent a grand total of maybe 6 months out of 28 years in India and barely understand Telugu and Hindi. I cannot speak either. All I retain from Indian heritage, I learned from my mother and father here.
But muslim clothes are ugly, girls should wear pretty saris and at least a kilo of gold. Otherwise what would the neighbors think?!
Out in the streets, in the busy market areas people all wear mostly kurtis or western clothes or in the case of men shirts. Nobody roams around wearing a kurta like Trudeau. The Muslims still wear their stupid white flowing robes even though its not the desert they're walking in. There is a tobacco and drug epidemic in Calcutta and wherever you go you can smell cigarette smoke. With more revenue this culture will be more enforced, there's no going back to diverse trippy clothing.
Christian Taylor
>thus spoke zarathustra Oh fugg; my Nietzsche is a bit weak. Haven't read any for nearly a decade or so.
>Heidegger's dasein Yes, and more poignantly the distinction Heidegger highlights between man and nature as false, and rather that the world is best understood as man within nature, is squarely in line with dharma. The West suffers from a long-lived distinction between man and nature, a dualism that has only produced suffering and long-term ill effects.
I shall add DMT to my growing list of drugs to try as well, friend.
I refuse. I will inherit and preserve the dharma of old; I swore this to Hanuman when I was 5 years old in pre-school and saw the other indians kids liberalizing. I will take what I like from Western society, but my dharma will always be ancient Hindu. Why else would I say no to a pretty pajeeta(male)?
Look, you don't need to do the drug either to experience transcendence. You clearly know this through meditation and discipline. Asian cultures know this as well. Does your culture have a "squatter man" of any type? It goes by different names in different cultures. See pic related
Yeah I think the other cultures in your image failed to depict the Tandavam correctly. It is the eternal dance of Shiva, that which keeps the universe in balance through constant creation, understanding, and destruction.
Well we wear traditional on like holidays or festivals like dhanteras or diwali, but few other days. Also we don't really wear dhotis unless we're poor I mean you can but people can see your dick when you sit on a chair so pajamas are usually worn as trousers during festivities.
Isaac Walker
That's why I bought a black dhoti and wear boxer shorts.
Even Gandhi-ji encouraged the production and consumption of clothing made by Indians for Indians, it is truly a pity that in the strive for progress India abandoned its heritage for (((modernity))).
I will change this, even if I have to build mountains from the sea itself, stone by stone.
Elaborate please because this dance / squatter man is just one of many simple plasma energy forms you know. It's a working theory of how life is created, how you and I and everything is created. Besides Jimi Hendrix, have you heard of the "Purple Haze" that once shrouded the entire earth? Does your culture speak about a haze or a blanket or a force that once covered the earth in the beginning?
Justin Sanchez
A new Hindu community, restoring the glory of the old with the best of the new, founded in dharma and guided both by modern Western constitutionalism and Shanti Parva from Bhisma.
Yes we do have a squatter man but I don't know what its called I heard it being called some sort of swastika but doubt it. I've seen it painted on front doors of houses
Adam Butler
Interesting that they choose to display it right on the door. Reminder that the swastika is a symbol for the Sun that is in the sky right now. It's a very old symbol that Adolf had been attracted to. He also loved esoteric knowledge and ancient schools, probably because he too knew that in order to move forward, you need to study the past lest you make the same mistake others have made before you; that is why it is imperative to know your roots and where you come from. >you knew this already but maybe the lurkers didn't
Juan Flores
I believe in some of the creation mythos of Hinduism there was an eternal sea; Shiva drank the poison of said sea and so purified it into workable material and birthed the River Ganga, which flows from his head.
I don't really like the upanishads though; they are degraded by mortal translation and transliteration and so became corrupted like the semitic religions, whereas the Mahabharat and Ramayana are basically children's stories and allegories and so the reader draws the meaning for themselves, without need for (((scholars))).
The eternal dance of Shiva symbolizes all existence - all matter/energy, after the Big Bang, is "created" insofar as it is transmuted from destroyed material, is "understood" or gains dharma/karma, and then ends its life once again as destroyed material to be reborn again.
Add Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood to your anime list, as well. It adds the feels to an otherwise seemingly superfluous explanation of the cyclical nature of Being.
Wtf would a poo know about Dharma? My teacher told me though spirituality originated in India, they are know the least spiritual people in the face of the earth. After listening to hours of Indian scammers trying to fool elderly people in tech support schemes, I know this to be true.
Sorry Poo, the transmission headed Westerly after the chinks made the Dali Lama flee. Learn to shit in a toilet before you talk about enlightenment.
Chase Hall
>my teacher >was closed-minded as fuck Well that sucks; it doesn't take much learning to dismiss the oldest extant religion & culture on the planet on the basis of tech support calls.
Added. Also, remember that the (((Big Bang))) is just a THEORY. It's not truth! Just a widely accepted theory that somehow got everyone's attention -- of course it's so easy to explain that life 'just happened' with a bang but reading ancient texts, everyone (no memes, literally everyone) all seem to agree that life "just is", it never really began nor does it end. Like the infinity symbol, it goes in and it goes out, forever. We have no working knowledge of what happens after death so it gets muddy trying to prove anything esoteric like I said but when you apply true science, with integrity, we find interesting developments like the ones I have been introduced to over the years. I agree that scholars have done whatever they can to gain control over a targeted populace but once this information gets mainstream, all bets are off in my honest opinion.
Austin Jones
>just a theory The observable universe begins with the Big Bang; nothing says that the previous universe didn't go through a "Big Crunch". Hinduism as per Carl Sagan is the most compatible religious understanding of this cycle, in terms of the order of magnitude of years required. All things come to an "end" insofar as they had a "beginning", the universe is no exception.
>westerners understand things I dated a Westerner once. Never again.
I hate to say this but he does have a point, whoever preserves and practices spirituality would not be so much into scamming. Modern India is nowhere as great and it takes all we have just to keep the chinks from nuking us
Ryan Davis
>Carl Sagan user you do know he was actively suppressing anyone who even had a simple comment on this type of stuff? He didn't really have his heart into it, rather he just swindled a few people with a good persuasive stance while remaining the appearance of being kind-hearted to everyone around him. If the universe will truly end, how will it? Tough to answer, and even tougher to explain how it began so the big bang is just a theory. Leave it at that so you can explore other ones. Guaranteed you haven't heard about "The Velikovsky Incident", right? >aren't you the one preaching the idea that you shouldn't be attached to things in the first place desu?
Caleb Lee
The majority of self-proclaimed Hindus never practiced nor understood the philosophy behind the words chanted during pooja. They only did it because it was proper; that's all that is required. As long as one person chants the name of Shri Ram, Hanuman will not depart the Earth. Others may find these beliefs to be "childish", but they do not understand dharma. Our beliefs themselves make reality - and that is why they are true.
So don't be foolish thinking the Big Bang is the only way to understand the creation of life and everything you know it. Look up Velikovsky, be more than what you know you are and take a walk on the wild side >it's really fun and rewarding >but you maybe already know
Mahalaya (Hindu feminism) Story Of How Lord Shiva Made Parvati Destroy Asuras The story goes like this that the asuras were becoming very strong. They got blessed by the gods and were almost immortal. Lord Shiva had given them a blessing that only a woman could kill them. This made them fearless as they thought that no women would even dare fight them, let alone destroying them. Lord Shiva was requested by the gods that these asuras were creating havoc and someone had to stop them.
I personally only got into this after reading pol and frequent hints of Hindu legend in (((Hollywood))
Aiden Fisher
You mean your robot anime waifu kek
Landon Williams
Did you see Bahubali? I watched it and it felt as though I remembered a past that I never lived. Started growing my mustache out with a twirl and everything, people are starting to ask questions.
Sort of, but the texts are twisted heavily by Bollywood not to mention the actors are convicted Muslims like salman khan so always have a pinch of salt ready
Henry Brooks
No bollywood talent in Bahubali; all south indian Hindus. >tfw still have a weakness for SRK as Don I wish I were that cool.
Chandragupta Maurya was the first emperor of India who united all of india and is till now the largest hindu empire ever seen. He also severely BTFO'd alexander and his cronies.
>man within nature I think you have it backwards, it is more accurately described as nature is perpetually within man, regardless of the lengths and efforts he goes to to separate himself from it or control it or elevate himself above. All of his attempts are in vain, because nature is a deep-seated, entrenched element of man, and he can no more truly destroy it than he can himself. Nature is in the blood of man, in every instinct and every inborn unconscious reflex.
Evan Phillips
Hindu means someone who was born in the Indus Valley, it doesn't mean anything else. It's a religion of the Indus Valley Civilization, you can't "convert" to it, forcibly or otherwise, you can only be born a Hindu.
Jace Rodriguez
Distinction without a difference in this context desu
>Hindu means born in the Indus Valley >therefore half of 15 year olds in Pakistan are Hindus Russians are dumb as fuck.
Jayden Smith
Wew lad, that's a mighty Dharmic and englightened response. Why are you lashing out at for factually pointing out you can't practice Hinduism unless you're born to it? This isn't even a hyperbole, they say so themselves. It's a cultural and geographical religion that is tied to a Caste Society.
