On one hand there are many undeniable facts about the holocaust not being what we're led to believe. On the other hand, there is this site that's being sent my way as the one and only truth whenever I'm trying to start a discussion about the holocaust. What are your thoughts on this and how would you deflect arguments shown on it? Trying to argue that the data it uses is skewed is a no go
Nizkor project
Thomas Flores
Andrew Davis
I would simply ask this person to explain:
-the Holocoaster (pic related)
-the jerkoff machines
-the pool of acid
-the trained castration dogs
-the bear and eagle cage
-the floor of knives
-the never changing total of 6 million despite the ever-changing sub-totals at each site (vid related)
-etc
youtube.com
His "arguments" mean absolutely nothing to me until these absurd stories and simple math errors that are treated as gospel have been adequately addressed.
If he denies any of them, is he not also a ""Holocaust denier"? Where's the cutoff? What even is the Holocaust???
Ethan Richardson
That bio is so masturbatory there's no way he couldn't have written it
People like him are good though because a lot of revisionist arguments completely miss the mark. It forces those actually interested in the truth to dig deeper and deeper, to the point where all evidence you bring in this shit holohoax threads is ignored by the shills in favor of ad homs and misrepresentations
Nolan Collins
Dumping more absurd Holocaust stories for reference, I will NOT be posting any numerical data argument infographics (pictures contesting the amount of Jews killed). I will also NOT be posting any doctored/misinterpreted photo arguments (pictures contending that a "Holocaust photo" is a forgery or depicting some other event.) Those are more in-depth arguments that I simply don't have the energy/motivation to verify for myself since so many clearly fabricated "Survivor accounts" have yet to be addressed.
I assume most of McVay's arguments revolve around those two topics, so I likely would have very little to discuss with someone like him. I don't believe there is any point arguing if decades old pictures or prisoner manifests are real or not when we could easily solve the mystery of the man who's claimed to have been "gassed at least 6 times" with simple common sense.
Nathaniel Powell
Hah, I've seen that, but one may simple say "eyewitness accounts are not reliable" and there goes my argument. For me, pic rel is a huge red flag when it comes to holohoax too
Dominic Williams
Bentley Reyes
Watch that short vid I linked (here it is again):
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It's made as a joke/meme, but it quickly brings up numerous cases of where the OFFICIAL toll has been changed at certain camps over the last 7 decades yet the total amount of 6 million has remained constant. Anyone still parroting the 6 million total needs to show us where, when and how those missing millions were killed. The burden of proof should absolutely be on them now since the camp totals have been OFFICIALLY lowered.
In my opinion, one of the best Holocaust questioning videos was made by that Pastor Anderson guy (I'll link it below). It's like 30-40 minutes and other than a few annoying Christcuck non-arguments it's very well-made and simple.
>The Holocaust - Questions?:
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James Gomez
>when the gas chamber has peepholes
Nicholas Bennett
>tfw you will never be penetrated by Nazi rape doggos while your mom watches
Why even live?
Elijah Nelson
BUMP
Jordan Stewart
>Superjew gassed 6 times
Carter Ross
you can add hungary
we have anit hololaws to
Jayden White
>be Polish peasant living near Treblinka
>hear Jews screaming in a "pond of acid"
>immediately abandon your home
Owen Kelly
Added. Thank you!
These are also great
Cooper Lopez
>tfw you will never see the "Auschwitz freak show" wherein a crowd of Jews ate someone because they were covered in marmalade
Why even live?
Christian Johnson
>if you don't believe in the SS special sausages, YOU ARE AN ANTISEMITE!!!
Mason Flores
No problem lad, also the "other 5 million" (the non-Jews who were killed) was a complete fabrication and has been admitted to be a fabrication multiple times. I'll go back to dumping stories, but this pic is relevant to that "other 5 million".
Ian Reyes
>personally tied & burned at the stake by Hitler
Geez, this one must've been a real trouble-maker to earn himself a personal execution from the Führer.
Hunter Moore
>if you don't believe in the Bear & Eagle cage, YOU ARE A FUCKING ANTI-SEMITE!!!
Brayden Rogers
>if you don't believe that it only takes 30 minutes to turn 80 corpses into a handful of dust, YOU ARE A FUCKING ANTI-SEMITE!!!
Colton Peterson
>when the Germans were so devoted to gassing that they nursed hungry jews back to health just so they could gas them later
Xavier Evans
>if you don't believe in Nazi castration dogs, YOU ARE A FUCKING ANTI-SEMITE!!!
Thomas Ross
>be Jewess
>Nazis run out of gas
>Oh shit, I guess I get to live
Strange that they didn't just throw her in the Bear & Eagle cage or the pool of acid...really activates my almonds desu
Caleb Cooper
interesting, i haven't heard of this. intense study on the holocaust has been something i've been meaning to do but keep on the back burner. i found the holodomor to be an interesting subject to spend time on, it's still sensitive because it was mostly organized by jews
Jordan Foster
Why does a gas chamber have a wooden door
Christopher Cox
>if you don't believe in untraceable temporary village gassings, YOU ARE A FUCKING ANTI-SEMITE!!!
Carson Reed
>Strange that they didn't just throw her in the Bear & Eagle cage or the pool of acid...
Isaac Rogers
man the 90s websites had an amazing feel to them. this is truly a trip back in time
Henry Edwards
>you will never be a Nazi camp commander "wildly masturbating" as faggots are beaten and TICKLED TO DEATH for your entertainment
WHY EVEN LIVE?!?
Carson Rodriguez
>blood burns like oil
Huh....you learn something new every day I guess
Wyatt Cox
>easily 7, no wait make that 8 million in AUSCHWITZ ALONE!
Connor Wright
Jacob Murphy
Oliver Richardson
>400 corpses in 5 ovens.....5 minutes
Wow....oven technology has really been neglected these past 70 years
Charles Nguyen
Jackson Nelson
Woah....German drinking games are fucking AWESOME.
Angel Baker
>if you don't believe in the Nazi Spanking Machine™, YOU ARE A FUCKING ANTI-SEMITE!!!
Jayden Ramirez
>blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material
Fucking hell
Landon Foster
>you will never have Kikes carry you around on a throne
>you will never force Jews jump off roofs with umbrellas (the ole' Mary Poppins)
>you will never make heebs run the gauntlet
>you will never get to piss in their mouths at the end
W H Y
E V E N
L I V E ? ! ?
Ayden Wright
Look you just need to accept the fact you'll never have the ability to trick us into beleiving that it happened.
We care not for your multimillion dollar extortion racket
Chase Foster
>Nazis run out of gas
>get to live
Another one?? Did they also run out of floor-knives, bullets and tickles?!?!?!
Hunter Martinez
400 corpses 5 minites
*sigh. Do you even try anymore?
Camden Gray
They ran out of gas because we the allies were smart and kept bombing their fuel supplies. You know ... doing war stuff and winning.
Hudson Hughes
>Nazi musical dogs
Another Nazi superdog story?? My dog barely even knows how to fucking "Heel", I really should hire a German trainer.
Justin Bell
Ok, so why didn't they use one of the numerous other fantastical execution methods (bullets, bear & eagle, floor knives, beating/tickling them to death, attack dogs, burnt at the stake, cannibalism by other hungry jews) that these other Kikes have been kvetching about??
I know they wouldn't be able to off Jewesses with the masturbation machines™, but this dire need for GAS SPECIFICALLY with these other people really fucking activates my almonds....
Charles Rogers
Owen Sullivan
Carson Wright
Wonderful summary of the absurdities we are supposed to treat as factual for their benefit
Isaiah Roberts
Welp that's about all I've got, i'll try and dig around for more later but for now i'll just post this re-cap image of some of the funniest stories.
My favorite one in this thread so far is probably this one:
>"faggots tickled to death while the camp commander watches and furiously jerks off"
Jesus fucking Christ....how do these Heebs even have the audacity to think this shit up.
Camden Robinson
bump
Elijah Gomez
Leo James
Brody Flores
Ethan Bennett
Anthony Gutierrez
Ian Cooper
Thomas Barnes
Luis Gonzalez
Ryan Price
John Lee
Joseph Bennett
Chase Miller
Sebastian Sanchez
Eli Peterson
Jayden Gomez
Daniel Martin
Nathaniel Brown
50,000 people used to live here, now it's a ghost town...
Mason Diaz
Charles Ross
Pathetic and disgusting rats, benefiting from the suffering of the real victims of the second world war
Daniel Cox
Aaron Fisher
Joseph Hall
>canadian
When the day of the rake happens there won't be any evidence it happened because there won't be any leafs left
Thomas Rogers
Daniel Kelly
bump
Gavin Evans
Blake Mitchell
Ayden Wilson
Look at the next pic as well
Gavin Young
Josiah Russell
Dylan Rogers
Juan Richardson
Robert Martinez
Angel Lopez
Nathaniel James
Zachary Brooks
Honestly, I just realized if people come back from ww2, vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, and have ptsd, and end up homeless, suicidal, studies show it literally takes years off their lives,etc, how could all these Jews survive all these horrors and live to be 90 something or so and ridiculously rich with no mental issues, and tell these stories with a straight face.
Grayson Martin
>the jerkoff machines
And we have a winner!
Yes, you are the first person in this thread to refer to a book published in 2004 by a non jew who had never been to Europe (Australian) who lied and said he was a jewish camp survivor.
See archive.is
Yes, you have tried to suggest that an historical event did not happen because of a story told fifty years later in a book that also tells of how he escaped from Auschwitz with two other children and how they were fed by wolves, who threw up food for them to eat - which was better than the food they got in the camp. (I am not making this shit up – look it up)
A book so bad the publishers pulled it. a book no one has ever thought was factual. A book that no historian has ever cited.
As a reward you get the Shiny Medal of Shit Tier Argument
Wear it with pride, and always remember how Soros has a basement full of boys he feeds pizza to as he masturbates them to death with his robot hair, so he can collect the semen for Hillary to make into her special potion that she uses to melt steel beams and sells as “fluoride” to the water industry
Grayson Thomas
anyone who cites mastubation machines is automatically shown up as a wanker
an idiot who has done no research
a simpleton
someone who does not in any way care about the truth, just accepts anything that confirms their bias, without checking.
a completely unreliable source
Dominic Scott
>the never changing total of 6 million despite the ever-changing sub-totals at each site
actually, historians have said it is about 5.5 to 5.7 million, probably, since the 1950's.
that is why the totals given (by soviet propaganda) at various sites can change without the real total changing.
the soviets said 7 million at Auschwitz at one point - no one believed them . then 4. no one believed them. then the iron curtain fell and the museum used the total that western historians had established through careful research - about 1.25.
but that total was established seventy years ago.
so changing the plaque at Auschwitz does not change the total
do some basic research on the subject and all you questions are easily answered - you are just lazy if you think this way
Luke Nguyen
They are sustained by shekels. The reparations keep them young and rejuvenated.
It's a good point though, like what was their suicide rate? Being the last living member of your entire family would be really fucking hard.
Kevin Sanchez
>so many clearly fabricated "Survivor accounts" have yet to be addressed.
yep that one is clearly fabricated sixty years after the events.
does a single historian think it is true? does a single person ont eh planet think it is evidence of anything (other than delusional australians)?
no.
all the (obviously absurd) accounts are compared to other accounts, and to the documents and the archaeology and the photos and the testimony of guards and other sources - and you are quite right - there are some really weird shit tier stories aout there.
but they are not that plentiful - they make up a tiny percentage fo the eyewitness accounts, adn they are not taken seriously.
the only people that even know about these hairball stories are deniers who have dug up this shit to throw about. they are really the only ones who publicise this nonsense.
no historian takes it seriously.
but all historians acknowledge that at least 5 million jews died under the nazi regime, in a systematic campaign of shootings, slave labour, maltreatment, disease, starvation and gassing.
there is too much good evidence to support that
Nicholas Bell
These laws are much younger than Holocaust denial itself. Most of them were made in the late 1980s or 1990s. During most of post-war history — more than 40 years — Holocaust denial has been legal in all countries of the world. It was only in 1990 that the French government enacted the Gayssot Law, which declares questioning the scale or existence of any crimes against humanity a crime. This was the first European statute explicitly outlawing denial of the Holocaust
Most of these laws outlaw denial of all crimes against humanity, not limited to the ones committed by the Axis of World War II, but also explicitly (as in Poland, Slovakia, or the Czech Republic) or implicitly including crimes by Communist regimes, and other crimes often emphasized by Holocaust deniers. Only in Romania is the law limited to Holocaust denial. The Israeli law is the only one of these laws actually mentioning Jews.
Currently, there are 179 countries, and several autonomous territories, without any law or judicial precedent against Holocaust denial. This list includes all of North and South America, Africa, Oceania, Asia (except Israel; as if any Holocaust denier would want to go there in the first place) and 37 of the 50 countries in Europe. On July 8 1986, the Israeli parliament passed a law criminalizing denial of the Holocaust. In 2007, The European Union approved legislation that makes Holocaust denial a crime punishable by jail time.[109] The laws against Holocaust denial do not even cover the areas affected by the Holocaust; genocide denial is legal in the former Yugoslav states, Greece and several other countries where the Nazis abducted Jews during the war.
The European Parliament has also rejected a directive to criminalize genocide denial. In Canada's R. v. Zundel trial in 1992 they acquitted Zündel and declared Holocaust denial to be protected by the Canadian Constitution.
Daniel Gutierrez
book published during the war that contained rumors and atrocity stories.
so what?
this is neither part of the main story - the mass shootings, the gassings, the slave labour - nor is it taken seriously by any historian
what does this prove? nothing at all.
Charles Sanders
another report from during the war - a rumor.
they knew that people were killed en masse, they just didn't know exactly how. Other rumors were exhaust fumes, poison gas and steam. (although that was never certain, it was possibly steam, possibly exhaust fumes)
turned out they were right about the exhaust fumes and the gas.
no one was charged with doing this at Nuremberg or at any other trial. No one has talked about the electrocution of prisoners by the nazis since 1945 except holocaust deniers looking for some stupid shit to throw about
Christian Gutierrez
>Anyone still parroting the 6 million total needs to show us where, when and how those missing millions were killed.
I recommend Raul Hilbergs "the destruction of the european jews" which does that in detail over three volumes, 1250 pages of closely argued and documented research
he actually reaches a total of 5.1 million, as a very conservative number - that is the number he can definitely show documentary proof for.
but you don't want to actually get educated and do any reading, so here is a short break down.
but, start with 3 million Polish jews. Add 1.5 million from Estonia to the Crimea, and all points between, shot or gassed in vans - documented by the Ensatzgruppen
that gets you to 4.5 million.
add 400,000 from hungary, 70,000 from France, 40,000 from Yugoslavia, adn you have five million.
we haven't mentioned any from germany (another 200,00) or romania (200,000) or holland, belgium, luxembourg or Austria
that gets you to about 5.5 million.
where - million plus shot or gassed all across the east.
two million plus gassed
a half million shot in various camps
the rest died in the camps, through various causes, or on marches away from the camps when the allies advanced.
all this is well documented sn basic facts - you really should know this stuff. It is easy to look up -
tell you what, why not start with the jews of Lodz. 200,000 polish jews from one city, who were forced into a ghetto, starved, some died of disease, the rest taken and shot or gassed.
no one has any other explanation of what happened to them.
no denier. No one.
if you can come up with a plausible solution what happened to them that does not include them dying, then maybe you have the start of something. But it has to be detailed and really plausible. it can't just be "they changed their names ans pretended to be not jews and escaped and never ever told anyone ever again, honestly" Or "they went to Israel, but I have no documents to prove that"
Angel Nelson
Pastor Anderson holocaust denial
1:33 “six million jews died in gas chambers and were cremated” is the official version.
No it isn’t.
Again the same strawman at 3:45
3:47 the plaques – a nonsense argument. The soviet propaganda figure was never simply added to the other total to make 6 million. (if you added all the soviet numbers you would get 20 million plus)
5:42 – the number was fore ordained - another rubbish idea – utter nonsense, (also the historical total is about 5.5 million so...) It does not say 6 million in the kabbalah. There were six million jews at threat in Russia that those headlines referred to - it is not a mystical idea
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7:10 Is it humanly possible to do 1 million.
The math.
52 ovens 4756 bodies a day. (this is the german documentation)
Then without any reference to the historical facts he calculates each oven had to do 4 per hour average,
which he improperly says means they burned each body in 15 minutes. (not that they could have burned to skeleton in thatime ans thrown in another body, and ignoring the fact that a third of them were children - they could multiple load)
And then he invokes American funeral homes procedure 2-2.5 hours. - which is nothing like industrial body disposal doing three tonnes per hour in portable ovens
And suggests that modern ovens are far superior. Lol
10:15 suggests that the official version says they ran 24/7 for years and that this would break them (of course if they did they could have cremated several million) but he is ignoring the fact that they were numbers based on the manufacturers recommended running procedure.
At best these are arguments from ignorance, but ignorance that should have been eradicated before making such stupid remarks.
at worst they are sad lies, and very sad that t pastor is making them
if this is >one of the best Holocaust questioning videos
then it really isn't very good is it?
this is the best you can do?
Noah Howard
there were inspection ports on the doors to the gas chambers.
what is your problem with that?
Julian Hall
and we have another winner!
yes this person has cited a book called "A vision" written by a jew with PTSD who took LSD therapy and then wrote down what he hallucinated about.
yes, you are citing the ramblings of a stoned acid head which no historian and no other witness supports in any way, as evidence that one of the best documented genocides in history didn't happen.
you know there are people who believe that there were no planes at all on 9/11. Do you think your source is any more credible or actually accepted as history?
David Campbell
no there were millions of non jews who also died in the camps - probably more than the jews - the only fabrication is to make it 5 million, as a lesser number.
or do you not know that the first people gassed at Auschwitz were Soviet PoWs?
that 3 million non jewish Poles were killed?
Logan Watson
because a double thick oak planked door with a layer of felt in between the planks and felt strips around the edge is sufficient to keep in the gas and with nice big iron bars across it, to keep in the people as well?
why do you ask?
although they probably had metal gas tight doors on the new crematoria 2-5
Joseph Hall
this story was read into the Nuremberg trial for Speer to dismiss - as he does on the next page. It was never thought to be true, and it was never claimed to be true after the trial.
So what is your point?