>What is Vanguardism? If you’re still holding out for a leader, or a happening, or something that’ll take the burden of saving our nations off your own shoulders, then this is general is a must-read. There is a time coming when the damage done to western civilisation will mean that it can’t hold the weight of it’s world burdens anymore, and it will collapse. And make no mistake, this time is coming soon. So, should we just assume that people will see the light? That when the social order finally collapses, they’ll see what a fraud it was and the damage that a fractured society is doing and flock to us? No. Because there is no “us” at the moment. We are isolated, We have no presence outside of the internet, no grounding in our communities except as individuals keeping their opinions to themselves. And while we may be swaying public opinion, if people are still afraid to say it out loud NOW, that’s not going to help us when our enemies don’t even have to pretend to accept our right to speech. If we want to be ready when the time comes, then we need to get ready. We have to start turning ourselves into leaders, or at least capable flagbearers. We need to start becoming respected in our communities, rather than unknown shut-ins. Most importantly, we need to start meeting IRL, to combine our efforts in this task and to start building the network. We need to become the Vanguard.
>”start bulding networks, goy, come together so we can keep an eye on you” This isn’t a single movement with leaders and conferences and marches. This isn’t something that the press or the government can infiltrate and tear down. Even if they tried, what would they find? Small groups of young men, Improving themselves and becoming respected members of society. A society that's going to find it much easier to see through the lies when the truth is right beside them, answering questions.
>So what’s the plan? We start organising in our local areas. Not in one group, or large numbers- in fact, specifically in separate groups of 5. >Start going to the gym together >Start cooking together >Start a reading list and start discussing the books together >Get comfortable with debating your point of view, get familiar with the ideological underpinning of your view >Start dressing nice. Start looking like a respectable group of people >Start helping each other find jobs, start helping the less socially gifted amongst us get comfortable in public
And then, once everyone's visibly better off and in a comfortable routine? Find four more people each. And split off into 5 new groups. And start teaching the new group everything you've learned. Start volunteering. Start attending community events and getting involved in unrelated local political campaigns. become known faces in your local community. And when the new group is better off and in their own routine, let the cycle start again.
It's a tactic based on recognising our strength (no formal power structure or hierarchy, no stable target or single list of names) and using it to improve on our weakness (our isolatedness, and the wariness of IRL activity that it creates). Without any central group to attack, we put ourselves in a better position- and one from which we're ready to organise when the happenings happen.
>Immediate goals ./soc/ colonies/ Gab accounts to organise & finalise the meetups ./SIG/pills, Links to useful material and PDFS of recommended reading for future threads .A more permanent base for online Vanguard discussion and material storage
What's the opinion on groups like Generation Identity and such? They're currently having a conference near London that's being raided by Antifa.
Brandon James
They're OK, but they censor (((certain opinons))). Also, this is specifically not one centralised group, so the media don't have anything to latch on and attack.
Kayden Thompson
GWARN MY SAAAAAAHN TELL DEM PAKIS DAT DEY AINT WONTED 'ERE ANY MORE
I understand the idea behind non-organisation, and keeping people like anti-fa out of the equation, but a degree of organisation is needed. Making this thread is great and all, but how can people who want to do something actually find others without a central hub to do it in? Like a website/forum/social media or something. This thread doesn't actually say how I can meet these 5 people, or any useful material. I completely agree with the concept but it needs more.
Lucas Bell
SeeI've alredy addressed both those points in the immediate goals.
Robert Cooper
Literally the worst time to try and post a serious thread. (assuming this even is one) Try again in a few days when the shitposters and shills die down.
Also if you're trying to do anything to do with identity that could be seen as far-right, you need to distance yourself from anything Nazi related, or you're fucked from the start.
Okay well I'm glad you've addressed it. I really want to actually do something but I have nobody to talk about on the issue.
In terms of useful material, the only thing I can think of is: >The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray I've not read it yet but it seems good. Although, these books are probably relevant to, they're written by two people who the left and anti-fa are aware of and actively campaign against, and promoting anything that's already been disavowed by the left is just giving them ammunition. >No Go Zones by Raheem Kassam >Barbarians by Lauren Southern
Isaac Hill
WOT DID YER JUST SAY? YER A TOSSA YU ARE MAYTE, A PROPRA TUHRIE TOSSA. BET YA SUPPORT WIGAN DONTCHA
>How do we retain our culture and heritage in Britain? >Start believing bullshit paganism Yeah ok
Camden Phillips
So how do we create a more permanent base for this sort of discussion?
Ian Torres
this wasnt for you faggot. I know your an ignorant piece of shit. This is for anyone who stumbles on your thread. And yes I will be posting Mark Passios work in every single one of your threads. BITCH youtu.be/Yb1ToYeCVnI
>Mark Passios >Mark Passio, former member of the Church of Satan, who claimed to have uncovered the secret mind control formulas being employed by the Illuminati to secretly manipulate the world. Sounds like a nut
Okay good, I'm interested in doing something.
Grayson Rivera
I will say what is factually right no matter where it comes from.
Do you think you are spreading the Love Jesus Christ wants you to spread? Only through actual faith would you be spared the fires. You are using the Lord's name in vain.
How do you expect mankind to ascend? We need to acknowledge our faults and overcome them. All religion is mind control and Mark fell victim to one of the many forms of mind control.
Oh my bad. I thought he was an actual fashwave guy. Nah I love him now. Good memes 10/10
Parker Bennett
Not a good plan
What we need to do ia stop Larping and dominate the social currents and stop the subversion of our side/ views done by intelligence agencies through redpilling offensives and anons talking personally with their friends to change their minds
Also a lot of lies, balkanization, ignorance and controlled opposition in our group we need to get rid of. We are literally teeming with controlled opposition and our movement is more kike controlled than the fucken British Parliament.
The trick is to keep this as organic as possible, and as irl, grassroots and normal as possible. Like normal, modern citizens but with our opinions. No bullshit antisocialness or weird sects and shit. We were strongest when we were normies and normie friendly but with our opinions. It is the only way
If you’re intelligent you can use the swaying of the times to redpill similar minded friends
What we need also is a centre for raw unsubverted information. Enough to redpill but not enough to compromise the whole movement
What are you guys friends? How do you not understand what ascend means? You think what your trying to accomplish with nationalism isnt an attempt to ascend from degeneracy? I called the one yarble ignorant and he filters me... proves me right and him afraid of having to do more work than he thought
Connor Morris
PROTIP: Try coming up with an actual intellectual basis for your "ideology" that can stand up to scrutiny and isn't just based on a bunch of "things are different now :(" irrational resentment.
Throughout the history of ideological mass politics never once has the "far-right" came up with a halfway decent intellectual justification for its own existence. Liberalism has one. Socialism has several. But Absolutist Reactionism? Fascism? At best, some vague nonspeak about "the natural order", or something about divine sanction. At worst, rah-rah chauvinist rhetoric, wrapped in fear-mongering style and blown up to compromise for a complete lack of substance.
List your most fundamental philosophical principles. Explain why are these principles superior to others. Demonstrate how your political methods realize those principles. Show what are the ultimate goals of your "movement". Write utopian fiction to exemplify it. Present real-life reasons why people would ever want to support you.
If you can't go toe-to-toe in a with a real Marxist Socialist or a Rousseau Liberal, chances are your "movement" is nothing more than an angry outburst of raw discontent. A peasant revolt, simply waiting for a substantial ideology to gobble up its members into "true" political consciousness. Regurgitating more political kitsch (, , , , , , , , , , , , , , ) will ensure it'll remain the stupid non-movement of a bunch of resentful young men looking for somewhere to direct their anger at the world.
The fashwave guy is a shill. There are plenty of reasons for nationalism, but thanks for the advice, best ally.
Gabriel Nguyen
>There are plenty of reasons for nationalism Even the best I heard are all pragmatic rather than idealists.
Josiah Morales
Why is it a bad thing to want to do something out of pragmatism?
Hunter Jones
Check the flag.
Connor Wright
Pragmatism is a good thing. It's starry-eyed idealism which leads to shit like GULAGS, invading Russia 'cause 'they're not white and it'll be easy' and now globalism.
Hunter Taylor
No, but it by definition implies that you choose to do it as an unfortunate compromise between a good ideal and a bad reality. I have never heard a convincing argument for nationalism as an optimal to which we should actively strive.
Robert Davis
>he's jewish so he's not white This is exactly the sort of bullshit I'm talking about.
Landon Robinson
Checked
Jordan Sullivan
Pragmatism is a good thing, but you must have idealism to have an accurate gauge on your society's performance. Without having an ideal to aim towards, how can you tell where to direct your "movement"? Without idealism, what is pragmatism there to serve if not simply perpetuating the status quo?
Isaac Gutierrez
It's definitionally true. And i was actually talking about why he was denigrating European Nationalism.
Brody Lee
So instead you favour socialism and liberalism, which are idealistic and not grounded in reality? Being pragmatic isn't a compromise, it's picking something that works.
Bentley Roberts
10/10 post, greatest ally
Christian Miller
The reality in which you live is a very much liberal reality, buddy. Almost all institutions you daily interact with are rooted in liberalism, up to and including the modern liberal state.
indeed we do. Listen to bowden on Vanguardism. A small group of dedicated, committed and intelligent radicals can shape the entire world. Indeed that's what small groups of marxists did to the west in the 20th century.
Connor Cooper
Rousseau is only loved by the left because they fail to read all of his work (the First Discourse and his Considerations are very reactionary, and he even talks there about the necessity of "national physiognomy") and to understand his engagement with other Enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire (see recent work on the Counter-Enlightenment).
Isaac Torres
Bump
Gabriel Parker
That sounds like a lot of work, OP. I'd rather just keep waiting for the collapse.
