Minumum wage in your state should be a livable wage. Enough to afford an average costing apartment, utilities, car note...

Look hick, every time the government gets too handsy with the economy it gets fucked okay.

Let me take you on a quick 101 course on how duh monees wurk. Supply and Demand. As long as there is a demand for something a company will supply it, now that company needs people to work for it. Those people need money to live. The company needs to make as much money as possible. Thus, when you are hiring 5 men from a pool of 10, you will hire those willing to accept the lowest wage while still being able to get a job done.

Stop sticking your big fat government cock in my firm, you want wages to go up? Then deport the fucking illegal beaners who think five an hour will get them by

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People get paid based upon their productivity. Minimum wage prohibits people from being allowed to legally work if their productivity level is below an arbitrarily set amount.

And to afford average costs? You realize 49.99% of the people are below average, right?

Are you retarded?

You don't need a car, gas, cable or internet.

>Enough to afford an average costing apartment, utilities, car note, gas, insurance, cable and internet and food.

Everything except cable would be a yes.

>internet
>cable
Why do you deserve such luxuries? Rewarding being useless is counterproductive.

Wrong

Deport all illegals and rent will drop to $500 a month
Supply and demand

Why are people up to age 29 living with parents at an all time high?
Ask Jose

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Where did I say anything about immigrants. America is fucked immigrant wise until the 1965 immigration act is repealed.

>People get paid based upon their productivity.

Patently false. People get paid based on the demand for their labor.

You don't need a car, gas, insurance, cable or internet to live faggot those are all luxery

How are you useless if you have a job.

The minimum wage is 0

so what are you qqing about? until we get all non whites out wages are fucked

Patently false. People get paid for a number of reasons, including demand for their labor and productivity.

>cable
>insurance
>car
>gas

i ride a bicycle to work every day for the last 8 years and television is full of propaganda

insurance is fucking theft too, especially medical

>thinks the only way to fix the problem is to mandate that companies pay people more. Thereby increasing the average income, thereby increasing the average rent.
>not thinking by removing excess people that don't belong in the country that wages would increase naturally due to less supply of labor, and rent prices would go down due to less competition for that resource.

>Minumum wage in your state should be a livable wage. Enough to afford a dirt cheap apartment, utilities, and food after 40 hours a week
fify

Unskilled labor means you're completely replaceable and have a low value. Anyone can do your job, you're just the unskilled person doing it.

Have you seen any numbers on how many houses would become available if all illegals were deported? Something you do not see many people talking about.

There's like 55 million mexicans in America now "legally" getting rid of the few still illegal won't do much.

It's amazing that some people can't understand the basic fundamentals of money.

It exists as a means of exchange. It simply serves as a measuring stick.

An accountant will always earn 4x as much as a burger flipper. A doctor will always earn 15-20 times as much as a burger flipper. And so on.

People need to improve upon their skills to increase their productivity level. It's the only way to earn more REAL money. There is no man behind the curtain that is going to use magic to do so.

Nope. Just demand for their labor. Productivity may or may not be a factor in that.

Okay guys whats the deal then?

I moved to Australia and min wage is like 20 dollars in my state. Food only costs 20% more, SOMEHOW gas is CHEAPER. Rent is the same as it was in cuckfornia when I was living in that shithole.

I basically made 3x as much here and spent barely more than when I lived in the US. Now I have a career and the quality of life is nutbars.

If Australia can survive giving burger flippers 20 fuckin dollardooz then why the hell would the US economy utterly collapse if millenial soyboys are given 15 an hour?

Is there some sort of bulwark against Shlomo raising rents everyone's paid this so-called living wage? There would have to be checks involved whether to be a law or some other bureaucratic rule.

He'll, I thought I won the fucking lotto when I got hired here at $10/hr after making $7.50 for many years prior working fast food.

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A shack in the middle of the woods, a used car that's at least 20 years old, dial up and 30 lbs of rice and beans.

I'm not sure that would solve the wage problem.

If you demand too much money, you won't have a job

thats bc youre a brainlet

Derp, yes, supply and demand do set prices. What if I told you there is more demand for more productive ($) labor?

We have 18 year old burgerflippers in aus who move out the day they turn 18 and afford a car and apartment on mcdonalds job.

It actually makes me jealous. There was just "no hope" where I lived when I turned 18, landing a job let alone living on just 1 you landed was fucking impossible. These aussies live like its the god damned 1950's or 90's. Why can't that work in the US?

True...

>the few still illegal

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Useless means I have no use. If I didn't have any use you wouldn't hire me. I'm a citizen contributing to this country, I should be able to live well. Especially with how much money America has. Too busy giving it all to Israel I guess.

It's the only right thing. People who have a productivity level that would only gross a company $5/hr from their work are not legally allowed to work. It's morally wrong.

You can't provide labor without being productive.
What are you, millennial?

>MINIMUM wage should pay enough to afford AVERAGE costs
you're nothing but a talentless thief

Why pay that much when you can buy a robot to cook?

That's the quickest way to ensure that no one can ever get their first job. Force grocery stores to pay a 'sustainable living wage' to a 16 year old, and you just see the jobs vanish.

If I hired you to mop floors and you came at me whining about how I owe you a livable wage for mopping my floors, I would replace you in a heartbeat. How are you contributing to this country?

>Especially with how much money America has
fuck off you socialist

The most dangerous question facing man today.
"How much money can I make?"

>Minimal wadge gets up
>Everything is upped again
>Low wadgecucks wonder why everything is still fucking high despite having a good salary

Oh boy

Well you're forced to pay insurance for your car in America.

Fucking this!!! That one screen cap the guy was making $.03 a post or whatever.

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Minimum wage doesn't need to be increased, it's just that the dollar should be worth more.

You work you are helping people out in some way obviously. Thats how you contribute.

I agree with everything but
>cable
I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Make the cost of cable astronomical. You turn on the television screen and the Jew will be blaring constant propaganda and racemixing brainwashing at you.

Lets just go ahead and abolish the whole system of capital and there's no need about this minimum wage thing.

We have some burger chains that pays well. They hire only competent staff who are far more productive per person than your average slop burger here. An example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-N-Out_Burger

You're comparing two extremely different economic scenarios. In the US, there are 10 burger chains on every corner. Business strategies differ, some race to the bottom and try to hire rock bottom staff who provide shit service at low prices.

I would have to look at the numbers, but I guarantee you McDonalds in Australia pay well because they gross way more per employee than most of our McDonalds worked by niggers and illiterates.

This.

The aussie has it right.

I used to be the cynic here. Thinking that these minimum wage people were all weak and didn't deserve it

Then i was unemployed for 2 years

I am a good man and suffered greatly

I can tell you something, we need to treat people with dignity. Labor protections is where it starts

And it can work

USA needs a 20/hr minimum wage. No more "at-will" employment. ASAP

I push the minimum wage should be a living wage meme because I want machines bagging my groceries and making my fast food as siib as possible instead of slow, rude niggers who fuck the job up completely. The rest of you should do the same thing.

You have to go back

>Minumum wage in your state should be a livable wage.

For a single person, yes.

>Enough to afford an average costing apartment, utilities, car note, gas, insurance, cable and internet and food.

No. Minimum wage should be enough to afford a ghetto apartment, barely pay utilities, pay for the absolute shittiest car imaginable, and basic necessities. It shouldn't be a nice life, but it should be enough money to pay for the necessaries.

Someone living on minimum wage should make enough to just barely get by without government assistance, because otherwise the money that these people don't get paid in their salaries gets paid by taxpayers when they mooch off WIC and other federal programs.

That's the thing.

They have way more employees in mcdonalds here. Like when I was in the US, you had maybe 3-4 employees in a mcdonalds even during rush hours. Chances are they're oldfags cause mcd's doesn't wanna hire millenial fucks who call in sick and cock around on phones.

In Australia its staffed by 12-15 teeners. 15-17 years old usually and some 18 and 19 year olds. I mean its just a fucking SWARM of kids. Aus makes it easier to hire juniors, and they make less than min wage. But they dont get fired at 18. One positive I identified is that with it being "easy" to hire teenagers and with all the schools still having wood shop/metal shop/welding/home ec/engineering shops and stuff, everyone already usually has 1-2 years of job experience when they turn 18. Everyone is totally ready to get slammed onto a register, reception desk, sales in a car lot, you name it. So they're more hirable, but that still doesn't accound for how Australia's economy survives on over triple the wage of most american states when nearly every good and utility costs nearly the exact same as the US.

Every time I see whining about 15 dollars and robots/collapses economy/israel whatever the fuck you wanna attach to it, I know it has got to be just completely full of shit. Australia would have gone MADMAX by now if any of that was true and it certainly hasn't.

Maybe countries just work better with assloads of white people.

Fuck off union lackey

Raising minimum wage would only make everything more expensive and negate its effects.

The real problem is how expensive housing is. Congress needs to step in and force these prices down because a $300 a month apartment shouldn't cost $1200 a month, and a $100,000 house shouldn't cost $850,000.

you're not entitled to live alone
you're not entitled to a car
you're not entitled to insurance
you're not entitled to internet
and you most certainly aren't entitled to utilities

You should be entitled to the bare essentials of life, (shelter, companionship and food) but why would you settle for a miserable existence living in a shared shelter with dozens of other losers eating macaroni and cheese for the rest of your life? Rise above that, the only person who can do it is you. If you're worth the money you want for your labor, people will pay.

Tell that to the boat niggers, I'm white and my kids will be raised tru blue.

[spoiler]Thanks to the boat nigs I gotta wait an extra 2 years for citizenship.[/spoiler]

Most "cost of living" increases go to the adminustrators and "big wigs".
Its not that companies have to charge more for a product becuase they pay their workers more.
They tend to charge more for a product becuase they KNOW you can afford it now.
They will say that they need to increase price becuase of wages. But this is bullshit excuse.
Im sure the top 5% of the company can reduce their salaries without affecting their standard of living.

This is typical fleecing and it is at the heart of everything wrong with a "human" run economy.

Cable and a car note. Lol, I earn $280k as a business owner (no employees), and I don't have cable and drive an old truck. Fucking people. I don't even have a smart phone or text. I'm in my late 20's.

>if the supply of money does not change
Well we all know that's never going to happen since the US Dollar is pegged to the value of the gold standard

OH WAIT

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just wait till the niggers start making the machines.
you thought it was bad now.

Because of declining middle class .min wage jobs are now career jobs.

People who do a job are contributing

They are valuable to the country.

They are labor, even in terms of Marx. And I bet he's your ideological enemy

He deserves a livable wage because he's a human being. Because you don't treat people poorly like that, you wouldn't let yourself be disrespected like that. Why do it to someone else?

Compassion for your fellow man isn't cucky. Everybody falls on hard times. I faced this pain and suffered.

And I am not lazy

I am not inept

I believe it can happen to anybody

Please listen to me.

We need a labor system that respects people.

People like to act all "just world" like capitalism just works stuff out magically. That's not true. It can be so toxic everybody chokes. It's an organism that needs to be regulated and have the levels checked to be sure people aren't struggling so bad the system eats itself.

you can subsist with no income in the west. The livable wage would be nothing.

>Maybe countries just work better with assloads of white people.
p much

You are so right man

We in USA have a lot to learn from Aussies

So many people in USA are armchair, Ron Paul economists. They watch way too much Fox News.

Americans are mutted whites on the surface but internally they are negrified kikes.
You children will never be true blue, they will be seppo retards like their father.

>Minumum wage in your state should be a livable wage.
What's the point of working a full time job if you can't live doing so?

>Enough to afford an average costing apartment, utilities, car, gas, insurance, c̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶e̶r̶n̶e̶t̶ and food.

This

Why in the hell are there certain places with regulated rent while most places charge insane prices in rent.

You cannot socially engineer prosperity. Sorry, Lefty.

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The real minimum wage is $0.00, though.

>Increase min wage
>Businesses can't afford to hire as many people/have higher expectations of employees
>Wew nice job creating youth unemployment fuckwad

the problem is eventually the minimum will just need to be raised again, because you're not fixing the problem. Also, if you remove the majority of idiots that will work for less than a livable wage, and people start refusing to work for less than whatever that wage is, then companies will simply just pay whatever that prevailing wage is. The government doesn't need to step in. People just need to get smarter

>If you're worth the money you want for your labor, people will pay.

That's not true

People on Wallstreet - Doctors who eat up insurance welfare and do a crappy job - loan peddlers... ambulance chasers. Do they do a job? Or are they unecessary cogs we don't otherwise need?

How do you explain talented computer programmers pushed out of their job, while women with no programming skill get promoted up the ranks while they post on instagram?

Is that magical free market capitalistic virtue of merit? No.

What you're talking about isn't true.

You can spit talking points, but your system isn't sustainable unless you can explain away valued talent and the bozo blackholes in tech.

Oh god. This again?

Serving up fries is not supposed to be a life-sustaining career. Period.

Even if you decide to make it one, news flash, you're an idiot if you're still making minimum after any type of time in service.

My mom, 60+ years old, has never had a job "higher" than "cashier" in the mid-70s. She's the most technophobe person on the planet (an ATM frightens the shit out of her, as she's incapable of working anything more digital than a timex watch).

"fry cook" ... "taco slinger", .. "maker of subs" .. "mop runner in the dinning room"...

She makes $13.50/hr. She's bounced from shitty place to shitty place, but I think the last time she was < $10/hr was... 1991?

If you're over age 20 and still scrapping the bottom of the minimum wage barrel, you're either incompetent, or just fucking useless.

How do I know? Because my almost incompetent, barely useful mother is making almost twice that.

Considering most companies need an email address.
You fucking need the internet.
Or atleast a phone.
I hope youre ready for some very shitty mopped floors.

I worked at McDonald's when I was younger at $8/hr.
Let me tell you. Min wage needs to stay low.

At 20 I got myself a $19/hr job doing construction work and it was enough money to put myself through college now at 27 I'm making $33/hr as a RN.

Just get good at life bitch

You are barely helping people to the point that it would be a net negative to the company if your wage was increased, I can just replace you with a Roomba.

>companionship
>gib gf NOW is human right

I think minimum wage should be $100/hr

the level of psychological issues revealed in this post is just right

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>car note
No. You should have a $600 beater until you get a good job. I was driving a 1994 toyota corolla while making $80k a year. There is literally no reason you need a car loan.
>cable
No. If you are making minimum wage your priorities should be somewhere other than catching up on your favorite shows.
>internet
See previous answer.

The problem with millennials is that they think they are owed something. The world doesnt owe you shit. Im ashamed to be considered the same generation as you. I was given nothing, i went to trade school on a loan while making minimum wage. Protip: if you are extra poor you qualify for a few grants that you dont even need to pay back. I paid off my student loans within a year. Went to university on my employers money, and now im an engineer making good money. The funny thing is, my company has been in talks with McDonalds on fully automating some of their restaurants. Thats right. In your lifetime, fast food will be delivered by self driving truck, to an establishment where it is unloaded by an autonomous forklift and cooked by six-axis robots before being served to you by a friendly looking bot. You know why this is happening? Because human labor is expensive. If you raise minimum wage i can guarantee you that 90% of minimum wage jobs will be fully automated within a decade. You morons don’t understand this though. You just want more money without working any harder.

I think there should be no money and everyone just takes what they want

Depends what state you live. Some states have way higher wage, and some have the opposite.

Gibs me your house, whitey

some people are just better at selling themselves, despite their actual merits

caveat emptor

>livable wage

"Living wage”, my ass. Your boss did not cum inside your mother’s vagina nine months before you were born. He is not your fucking daddy. Stop treating him like one. He doesn’t owe you shit, princess. If you don’t like it, then move back in with your parents. Go nag to them about your so called “living wage”.

>Congress needs to step in
government has already intervened and when they did back with clinton they created the housing bubble.
why is it that when government fucks shit up people want government to "fix" it

No. Drop out of art school and obtain a skill of value. You should be grinding around the clock to make a living wage for yourself not begging for handouts.