Well...um....uh

Super God.

Jews, always the Jews.

Wait, in this case it is actually accurate... fuck me, Jow Forums you had it nailed the whole time!

answering the problem of first cause with a god, and then saying this god simply doesnt need a first cause is illogical special pleading and just retarded.

>he can't refute fact so he resorts to name calling

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If god created time, space and the whole infinite universe, why does he care so much if some evolved ape is touching his wiener too much or having gay sex? Seems petty

>being this new to philosophy

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>if i dont know something, it mustve been god

>answering the problem of first cause with a first domino, and then saying this domino simply doesnt need a first cause
its a finger

If something created God, then the thing that created God is the real God

>that reading comprehension

i said the argument was retarded, and explained why. there was no name calling.

if god created the Sun on the fourth day, how did the first three pass?

youtube.com/watch?v=FYJ1dbyDcrI

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Reproductive system was designed for reproduction, not hedonism

God is the universe experiencing itself for eternity.

If the universe can self-originate, and God is the universe, then the problem is neatly resolved for both sides. t. pantheist

Woah deep

Fortunately our experience of your bad poss is only brief

>sophistry 101

Who are you to tell god what his intent was when creating that system? Seems like you have some cultural prejudices about sexuality.

If God is perfect, omniscient and omnipotent, all actions he does must be perfect. If this is the case, he can't have free will since him choosing differently would mean that the other action he could have taken must not be perfect.

God is a self-affirmative entity, not unlike your Self. You ever hear the phrase "I think therefore I am?" Are your parents your creators? What is the Self? What is consciousness? Your parents created your body but you created your Self. God created Himself.

God and a bunch of his buddies.
They got together and did creative shit in 3d.
A lot of mistakes were made, shitty patches and total admin breakdown was had as humanity continued to suffer.
We are basically in the worst part of it too.
But there really is a God out/in there, you are complete and he really wants you to know
I love you.
I'm Sorry. Truly.

“Bad poss” what kinda mounty jargon is this?

Do a server wipe and make Earth 2.0 ruled by penis monsters like in Spore

Lies! God is some ntity that chose to manifest to exactly the prophets I believe in. You know, out of the townsends of traditions in the world that deal with he idea of divinity, mine must be the right one.

no, that's ridiculous. "It was just there dude there's no reason"

God also created matter and light.
Without those there was no time.
E=mc^2 'n shit.
God exists in a plane of existence where there is no time, or perhaps a different type of time driven by forces that don't exist in our reality.

But that's what Christians say about God.

God exists in a existence outside of this universe. Just like a computer programmer who creates a digital sim universe. Just because the people in the sim think it's real and the only universe they know doesn't mean the programmer doesn't exist and can't exist outside of the sim universe

Read Anselm’s arguments

>God is the universe
How can you be sure that he is in the universe?
Jesus was in the Universe, it seems God used Marry as a vessel for his entry into it.

Oh, there are penis monster galore.
This is like the original run, so it's not optimized.
It's like a vanilla wow server or project 1999 for EQ, but truly OG classic.
>people who an hero
>regain true self
>realize mistake
>realize there is a 3 trillion year queue
>realize earth won't even be habitable by then
>go back to Meta 9 to 5 existance
>total bliss
>people look at you like a seasoned vet
>so How did you die on earth?!

>implying this isn't a highly advanced computer simulation far beyond anything we could fathom and God, to us, is just a 24 year old kid playing Civ XV.

God's mom obviously

It's obvious, isn't it? God is the universe people idealise into a perfect version of themselves.

We do not know how the universe came into existence either.

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It's turtles all the way down man.

>be talking to christian friend
>if God doesn't exist then how does the universe exist?
>the universe just always existed, it never began or ended
>But that's not possible, something can't come from nothing
>If God created the universe, then who created God?
>God wasn't created, he just always existed
>Didn't you just say that's impossible?
>*silence*
checkmate Christjews

see

Anselm's argument is not that great. A simple criticism is that we humans are imperfect beings, so how can we actually imagine a perfect god?

>If atheist really want to understand the argument, why don't they read the church fathers who already answered this question?
Truth is that they just want to appear smart to their peers without having the necessary intellectual capacity or honesty. It is no wonder that atheism is a leftist hobby.

> We are evolved to judge people’s psychology from what they look like; we can accurately work out people’s personality and intelligence from how they look, and (quite often) we have to if we want to survive. Body shape, hairiness, eye width, finger length, even how big a woman’s breasts are . . . these and much else are windows into personality, intelligence or both.

>[...] But, as Dutton says in his book, the relevant research has been published in top psychology journals, such as Intelligence, Personality and Individual Differences and Evolutionary Psychological Science, as has his own research. This includes a study asserting that atheists tend to be less physically attractive and more likely to be left-handed than religious people and that they have objectively worse skin.
>a study asserting that atheists tend to be less physically attractive
>and that they have objectively worse skin.

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>Dutton, ever the evolutionist, opines that this is because we have been selected to be religious over thousands of years of evolution. Hence, those who are atheists reflect mutant genes in the brain and people with mental mutations are more likely to have physical ones. This explains their asymmetrical features and asymmetrical brains, leading to left-handedness.

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t. a hideously ugly christian projecting onto atheists

What are you even trying to say? looks like pseudointellectual nonsense

Answered and BTFO in less than 2 minutes.
youtu.be/FyKrFmrEHvk

Try harder, pseudointellectual dick sucker.

>>imagining a perfect god
That’s not the argument though

The argument is that by the definition of god , there is nothing more supreme. Hence OP’s post image is contradictory of the word god

This guy totally nailed it.

there is no creator for god, or maybe god created himself. timeless and all powerful beings could reasonably do that.
according to scientific research everything in the universe seems to be moving away from a singular point in space, which leads to big bang theory, which implies that something created that explosion, everything couldn't have just always existed if it has a starting point, scientific community doesn't accept your heresy.

Listen to what im about to say about this statement. Really think about it.

If god created the universe, then who created god?

If man created computer code then who created man? ...

Both of these statements are an entity in a certain dimensional plane creating something below it

If a hypothetical higher dimensional entity creates something in the plane lower than it doesnt imply that that entity is omnipotent or without a creator; or should i say its not a pre requisite for an entity on any plane of existance to be omnipotent or self creating to create something itself; just because the created cannot perceive the creator doesnt make the process of creation any less real -

No it's not ridiculous. If your god just happen to exist for no reason, the universe can as well.

isn't that why he's asking

like 95% of the various cultures prejudiced against homosexuality. I'm not judging but a lot of the others would have executed a gay person.

god is the universe, god is spirit, who made the desicion to form himself as the father, son, and holy ghost (og form) because of checks and balances

...

>What's north of the north pole?

Stop thinking of "god" as an old bearded dude and more so as a mathematical rule/object.

a higher god created god and it tended up trapped by it´s creation

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thats more or less what mormons believe. also god has a wife. but these women are never talked about because of the fact mankind speaks god' and his sons name in vain enough as it is. supposedly they are never mentioned out of respect and reverence.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Mother_(Mormonism)

How does something get created out of nothing

t. ayyy lmao

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The universe operates, 100% of the time, on laws. Conervation of mass and energy dictate that the big bang couldn't have happened. You see it as more logical to assume the universe has always been when it's easier to assume someone or sonething had to break the rules.

"Creation" implies that the subject did not occupy space at a point in time, and at a later point in time, it did. Words like "creation" only make sense in the context of space-time. Space and time are merely functions of the universe. Everything within the universe, including the universe itself, needs to be created and destroyed.

Something outside of the universe, and not the universe itself, caused the creation of everything. That must be God.

And you can't ask "who created God", because, as mentioned, "creation" only makes sense in the context of space-time, which God is not a part of.

Actions taken by God are inherently perfect, because they are taken by God. God ultimately decides what is and is not moral.

>know
Not how faith works

Is man capable of transcribing the will of god using Aramaic? Are human languages capable at all?

If there ever was a time when nothing at all existed, then there would be absolutely nothing today.

It is an axiomatic truth that if nothing exists, then “nothing” will be the case — always, for nothing simply remains nothing — forever! Nothing plus nothing equals nothing.

If there is absolutely nothing but nothing, there cannot ever be something. “Nothing” and “something” — applied to the same object, at the same time — are mutually exclusive terms.

>If God is perfect, omniscient and omnipotent, all actions he does must be perfect. If this is the case, he can't have free will since him choosing differently would mean that the other action he could have taken must not be perfect.

>If God is perfect, omniscient and omnipotent, all actions he does must be perfect.

Then therefore, He is forever flawless. And the Creator needing free will is irrelevant.

In view of the foregoing — namely that something has always existed, and yet that “something” is not of a material nature — the student of logic is irresistibly forced to the conclusion that the “something” that is eternal is non-material.

That non-material eternal something must be spirit in its essence.

The Scriptures identify that spirit Being as God. “God is spirit?” (Jn. 4:24) — an uncreated, eternal Spirit Being.

Both Scripture and logic, then, in marvelous concert, testify to the fact that God is eternal. He had no origin. He is the everlasting I AM. No one “made” him. He simply IS.

There was nothing before God because God created time. God created "before" and "because"

All we can rely on is what God told us to do. Whichever bible you believe, the core idea of God requires God is above humanity as humanity is above animals.

t. closet fag
enjoy your aids
we won't miss you

God created the universe because the universe created god

Jesus was the Humanity Test and humanity failed Jesus. Therefore, the only time there will ever be a "second coming" is when humanity fails yet again. God doesn't need to be in this universe. He's essentially playing as security guard.

Who created God?

It was Frank from accounting

fag

Just think about it

God created universe and knows everything because he knows everything that occurs which creates him in the first place, so he creates a universe which is the same as the one that created him to ensure his own creation, which also enables him to know all things

badda bing badda boom paradox solved 4 u

Have you ever heard the adage "hard cases make bad law"?

This makes you twice as much as a fag.

>says pseduointellectual dicksucker
>is a Christian
pick one

You're doing it wrong , Menachem.

That's a false analogy. Doesn't compare because man uses objects from within his own plane of existence to create another object within the same plane of existence, whereas a god would be creating an entirely new plane of existence altogether, and populating it with objects. If there was an analagous action that man could take, then that man would be a god in that sense.

God by definition is not created, or else he wouldn't be God.

There has to be a first uncaused cause, otherwise you will need an explanation of the explanation, then an explanation of the explanation of the explanation, to infinity, so that nothing can ever be explained, and that's logically impossible because an actual infinite does not and cannot exist.

God is the first uncaused cause.

>Well, why not just call the universe the first uncaused cause?
Because not only is it implausible given concepts like morality and consciousness, but actually we have proven scientifically beyond a doubt that the universe began to exist at a finite point in the past. Hence the cone shaped big bang model, where the bottom "dot" is the singularity, at which everything, including time and space, came into existence.

Just defined feminism

Interesting, then the very, very few people who truly embody the principles put forth by Christian doctrine and its accompanying philosophical ideas do not represent Christianity as a whole. The average Christian does, good to know

Anthropomorphizing the One as God is a mistake and it's only done because of holdover ideas from pantheistic religions. The One is necessarily more than a Being

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The Bible literally explains you're dumb ass question, you should try reading it, instead of
sucking so much cock.

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The possibility still exists that the universe is just one event in an infinitely extending series of causes, just because that doesn't fit your logical model doesn't negate its possibility as being reality. Science has not proven the beginning of the universe to be the Big Bang, they have only ascertained that there was an event at a point in time that caused the rapid expansion of all matter in the universe, yet they have not determined what, if anything, happened before this event. All matter could expand eventually to the point where it returns to itself and causes another Big Bang.

god lives outside of our understanding of time. he was always there.

The Freeman

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micro fluctuations of the physical forces created the big bang/universe.

Arguing intangibles gets you no where but a following a rabbit hole with no answers.

Science explains the simple observable nature of our existence.
Philosophy and religion delve into the intangibles and unexplainables.

Devoting one self to science is admirable but lacks a certain curiosity for the unexplained. Religion delves deeper but with no discernible science behind it leaving a divide.

I guess a wise man would value both to a degree but take the second path with caution.