Why is Western Europe traditionally much more innovative and advanced/developed than the East?
Is it largely to do with better imposed institutions, a more stable church organization and feudal structure which led to greater rule of law, universities, etc.
Did not having to deal with Ottoman incursions give them more ability to divert their resources elsewhere?
Why is Western Europe traditionally much more innovative and advanced/developed than the East?
Connor Price
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Leo Harris
You have a problem understanding why because your Amerimutt brain thinks "Europeans" are one race.
Thomas Moore
It was a perfectly fair question. Can you think in anything other than memes?
Thomas Collins
Memes?
Western Europeans are a different race than Eastern Europeans, there is your answer. The same as in my first post.
Aaron Harris
What exactly is your objection?
I would not and did not imply that there aren't differences between Poles, Russians, Germans, Norwegians, etc.
What exactly are the differences then, and what types of differences do they lead to in the large scale societies these people build, and even further, but perhaps much harder to answer, what lead to these specific differences?
That's what is important to answer.
Is it not reasonable to think that the different cultures and created environments of these countries/peoples selected for different characteristics in their populations?
What's your belief on the matter?
That differing genetic differences at any given moment make the difference?
If that was the case then why was much of Mediterranean Europe further developed civilizationally than the rest of the continent when Rome was around, whereas that trend has not held since the 1600s or so?
Easton Russell
So that's a no then.
Austin Sullivan
Culturally united at the academic level, but politically divided -->heretical or revolutionary ideas always found an outlet somewhere.
Christian Lee
Europeans are of one race, there's no doubt about that, inside the europid( aka white race) there are predominant phenotypes, but still same europid race
Jason Flores
Protestantism means wealth and prosperity.
Jack Campbell
I already told, different races. Different genetics. Different culture. Different accomplishment. Different history These all have the same genesis and it's Darwinian in nature.
And it's your opinion that Med Europe was more developed than the British Empire or German Empire in 1600. If you actually live in Europe it's clear to everyone the productive hierarchy of people still puts Eastern Europeans at the bottom, this has been the case for millennia. The fall of Med Europe has to do with dysgenics, but they are still infinitely more important than Slavic nations.
Leo Sanders
>Why is Western Europe traditionally much more innovative and advanced/developed than the East?
it isn't. who discovered antarctica? who got to space first? who "invented the 20th century?" (tesla)
westerners always use this self-referencial evidence to confirm bigotry. "m-muh impartial NGOs! m-muh reporters without borders! muh amnest international!" (((human development index)))
Levi Cruz
>The fall of Med Europe has to do with dysgenics
More absurds refuted a thousand of times.
Daniel Wright
If you wanna use that as your definition of race, sure, but there isn't really an objective way where you can say your definition is superior to mine.
White = North-Western European
That is how most people used to view it in the North. And if you think pic related is the same race as me, you can use your definition, but that is not how I view race or the normal non-political person (here).
Adam Butler
Stop reposting this thread.
>Norway
>important
Sebastian Williams
Connor Morris
>who discovered antarctica?
"Captain James Cook is the one who discovered Antarctica while crossing the Antarctic Circle on January 17, 1773 with the ships HMS Resolution and Adventure."
>who got to space first?
Russians. Basically Europeans who try to claim themselves as a separate civilization despite having massive Greek influences throughout their society and more-or-less basing their civilization off of Western ideas explicitly since Peter the Great. Russians not being "Western" just because they're poor and not in Western Europe is basically the same thing as Ukrainians claiming they're not actually Russians because "LOOK! THERE'S A FEW SMALL DIFFERENCES!".
>who "invented the 20th century?" (tesla)
See the above with Russians. Applies to Serbs too. Also, in what country did Tesla make most of these advancements? (USA)
Gavin Nguyen
Compared to the accomplishments of Germany, that is basically what you are, snownigger.
Joseph Morgan
>If you wanna use that as your definition of race, sure, but there isn't really an objective way where you can say your definition is superior to mine.
It's not my definition,it's genetics, europeans genetic cluster in a common place on x, y pca, by somal dna.
>White = North-Western European
lmao, that's pathetic, the term white-euro was literally coined by spanish and portuguese conquerors and explors when reached the americas, already prsent in the inquisition laws in the xv century. how people view or dont view in the north it's irrelevant.
I know catalans are from the same race of you obviously, do you think that this irish (pic) is not from the same race of you? you are clueless on the subject pal.
Joshua Perez
Thats right, we dont matter. Don't come here. Leave us alone
Liam Nelson
>no Hun invasion
>no Turk invasion
>no Mongol invasion
>no Arab invasion until 2016
Jaxon Brown
>Austria-Hungary
>Slovakia
>Poland
How is this possible?
Also they have more people and more money. They have more money because of the Atlantic Ocean.
Sebastian Thompson
>Whites are creative and chaotic (More retards, more geniuses)
>Asians are conservative and orderly (More of the same)
>Niggers are still animals
Done.
Jackson Parker
m8 you should stop browsing Jow Forums for a couple of years and focus on school.
Mason Diaz
>And it's your opinion that Med Europe was more developed than the British Empire or German Empire in 1600.
In 1600, Northern Italy was still wealthy as fuck and living off of centuries of wealth from Mediterranean trade. Spain and Portugal were holy-fucking-rolling-in-money wealthy from their colonial possessions. The Ottoman Empire was near its height.
It's not really opinion, it's fact that the Northern Mediterranean was more developed and wealthy than "muh endless civil wars" 17th century England or the "we're actually just a bunch of petty warlords with castles" Holy Roman Empire at that time.
Colton Smith
You can divide race by distance as much as you want. If you want to say you have an objective case for your definition, you are denying reality. Me claiming only North-Western Europeans are my race is as valid as what you are claiming. There is nothing objective about this, it's simply a discrimination you are not comfortable with. That's not my problem.
>the term white-euro was literally coined by spanish and portuguese conquerors and explors when reached the americas
Literally means nothing, fucking hilarious you would even use this argument. Arabs used the term white to differentiate between themselves and sub-saharan slaves. Are they white too now? What a fucking retard-tier argument.
I don't give a fuck what you think. I am not the same race as pic related, it's as simple as that.
Noah Young
It just seems odd to state that Eastern Europeans are entirely unproductive though, historically they followed, even if trailing, much of the developments and advancements pushed forward by countries like Germany and England.
For example, if we look at say, Warsaw or Budapest in 1900 it would not look like some alien city or civilization, the markings of a very developed civilization with high levels of artistic and cultural and architectural achievement were all readily apparent.
What would you say about all of the progress made scientifically and in engineering fields by the USSR/Russia in the 20th century?
Sure, they sputtered and floundered about on the whole due to massive economic mismanagement, but that wasn't a natural or initially societally desired outcome for one, and two, that doesn't at all discount the massive strides they made, and beyond that it implies at least some level of competence, people like Andrey Kolmogorov don't just pop out, they are extremely competent and formed through a series of competent institutions.
Jacob Jones
Russians need to learn to specialize in things their good at. Basically, everyone there should become either a writer, a mathematician, a composer, a rocket engineer, or a subway architect.
Oliver Smith
How do you think they got good at those things? Have you ever been to the Moscow school of architecture during communist times? They designed marvelous pieces of art but the state didn't have funds to build anything other than commie blocks.
Caleb Reyes
Geography and luck.
Alexander Thomas
Wellif you claim you are not white, that's with you,not strange at all since Oslo is probably 30's non white. And about your pic Cristiano Ronaldo is not an ethnic native mainland portuguese, and everybody knows that.
Anthony Fisher
Norway has never done anything of relevance, sit down and shut up.
Dominic Nelson
>Captain James Cook is the one who discovered Antarctica while crossing the Antarctic Circle on January 17, 1773 with the ships HMS Resolution and Adventure
LOL! no, nigger. no
>On 27 January 1820 Russian expedition led by Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen and Mikhail Lazarev discovers an ice shelf at Princess Martha Coast that later became known as the Fimbul Ice Shelf. Bellingshausen and Lazarev became the first explorers to see and officially discover the land of Antarctica continent.
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Eli Jones
Half a century of fucking communism.
Bentley Johnson
Most parts of Eastern Europe were more shit before communism. RIP Czechia though.
Ryder Thompson
Being a country in the proximity or in the Balkans means that you are in the middle of super-powers all the time flinging shit at each-other and using your country as either a buffer zone or as means to protect you.
Geopolitics are a bitch.
Carson Hernandez
Meant to say protect them
Chase Robinson
Never said they are unproductive, but if we are talking about the industrial revolution it mostly comes from adapting British or German production techniques. Would Russians be capable of leading an industrial revolution? Would Poles be able to develop their society without the German minority living in their country? Can modern Poland function without a German economy?
These are the questions you must ask. It's not a question of individuals or even groups being good at adapting a technology or philosophy. The Japanese are better suited than most to industry and successfully adapted European models, better than most Eastern Europeans (and Europeans in general) despite them having the advantage of geographical proximity and cultural proximity to the creators of modern civilization. Yet, nobody in history, whether Japanese or not, would claim that this development would happen without the existence of the British and Germans.
Owen Rodriguez
>Western Europeans are a different race than Eastern Europeans
Not really.
Bentley Edwards
Because throughout history they were much more ruthless, aggressive and greedy than us. And now they're the ones lecturing us about the importance of sharing and tolerance, while sitting atop their stolen wealth guarded by their massive armies.
Hudson Parker
>tfw you're only top 5 most European
Feels bad, man.
Sebastian Morgan
Race has nothing to do with it.
The ideology, the philosphy of a people has everything to do with it. It was never superior genes, but superior ideas, superior thinking, superior phikosophy.
And let me tell you, the mentality you have, will never get you what you want.
Christopher Murphy
The thing is, with our mentality, we already have everything we need.
Zachary Phillips
A peoples' philosophy, ideas, thinking ability, etc. is heavily entangled with their genes though, you're wrong to completely separate the two.
Adrian Myers
Do you want reparations?
Kayden Parker
intelligence is the biggest factor
Josiah Roberts
>superior ideas, superior thinking, superior philosophy.
absolute horse shit.
The mongols decimated Eastern Europe,followed by 500 years of constant war against the Ottomans.You can't expect a country to develop and expand when they are under attack 24/7.
Adam Smith
I have to agree with this Nordmann, although there isn't really an abyss between Scandinavians and western Slavs, genetically speaking(which, nevertheless, doesn't mean alleles related to intelligence and whatever cannot show more variation).
Adam Williams
Bc Western Europe is filled with aryans and Eastern Europe is filled with low IQ mongoloid slavs who think they are white
Asher Diaz
Wow it's like communism has a negative impact or something
Kayden Wright
> Unironically believing in Noridicism/Hyperboreanism and Nazi racial ideology
So do you believe Iceland was the origin of the peoples who produced all innovations/greatness in human history and that strains of this superior strain showed up in Japan and Tibet?
Most of Eastern Europe lagged behind Western Europe in terms of relative development before communism took hold.
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Aaron Myers
Also natural resources, population, and that Rome never colonized the east as they did the west.
Brandon Roberts
Except pretty much all of central europeans carry significant eastern euro genetics, there was a lot of inter-european mixing around there.
So pretending they’re all that different is ridiculous.
Austin Anderson
Ottoman incursion definitely had a role. No time to throw apples down a tower or taking cocks up your ass when the little church bell is ringing for the 166 time this year announcing roaches coming from 3 sides...
Due to the fact that the most prestigious universities were in the West, a lot of capable people went to follow education there (I mean starting XIX century). And sough after universities were French, German and Austrian ones.
I might add that the first four in that list are the champions of niggerisation, islamisation and butfuckery of Europe, so add post 1950 and their contributions are already in the negative. The blood of raped children is on their hands
And I did not even added World Wars contributions to the decimation of Europeans
James Myers
The 4 great inventions are actually Chinese.
Printing press = science
Compass = new world
Black powder = guns
Paper making = literacy
The problem for China though is that when they did those 4 they got ass raped by the Mongols for 300 years.
Asher Bailey
Most of the Eastern European countries were under rule of few more powerful countries. You really can't innovate when your only reason for existing is making food for nobility or fighting wars for people who own the land you live in.
Carson Wood
>printing press
europe invented independently. actually had an alphabet and could therefore make use of it
>compass
europe probably invented independently. both chinks and europeans started using compasses for maritime navigation at nearly the exact same time
>black powder
chinks used it for divination and "medicine." then europeans came along
>paper making
papyrus and parchment scrolls/books predate it. also see printing press