Why are there no anti immigrant left wing parties...

Because anti-immigration is a "right" stance according to the liberal left status quo.

A party like that would be hard pressed to win anything but local elections based on the demographics of that localized area. They would not do well on the national stage.

>>so socialism just social democracy
People really don´t understand the left side of the spectrum, they really don´t. They have a perception of what the far right is, but they don´t have any perception of what the left really consists of.
The far left is a totalitarian socialist state that controls the means of production and where you can´t start your own business. Communism is a more hardcore version of this.
The normal left simply want things like subsidized education, subsidized healthcare, decent elderly care, welfare and these things. Now people on the right want that also and recognize it is useful for stability of society as long as social fraud is kept down, but the left tends to prioritize that more. Neither of these things have anything to do with socialism/communism. So basically if you have centre left and centre right, it´s more a question of raising or lowering taxes and how to deal with unemployment and that sort of things, otherwise they are mostly on the same page. n The far left and far right both want to go full authoritarian both for their own particular reasons and in their particular ways.

Because only shitskins are stupid enough to vote leftist

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>Because only shitskins are stupid enough to vote leftist
The problem with the US democrats is that they are basically gone commie mode and promise gibs in exchange for votes, and to hell with what happens to the country or if it goes bankrupt or whatever. That´s not a normal left leaning party.

>Why are there no anti immigrant left wing parties?

because natsoc is pure kryptonite to rootless, upper-class oligarchs.

That just steams me up! I dont know how this heppened...what do you suggest be done?

Wow...that is actually very depressing :( what do you think can be done about this?

Meanwhile those Scandinavian Welfare states (barring Sweden, recently) are working just fine. It's almost like shitskins, not Leftism, is the problem.

and it's a shame the ideology is so permanently tainted through association.

I can really only give an American-centric POV, since I'm nowhere near familiar enough with Guatemalan politics to say.

The Democratic Party is impossible to hijack on account of its super delegates. Bernie Sanders, while not my cup of tea, was trying to take the party in a more fiscally left direction. He was cheated and robbed. They didn't do this specifically for Hillary, they did it to keep crony capitalist Dems in power. Given that the party is currently trying to take steps to make it even harder for outsiders to win (ie, moving California's primary earlier, so that the most expensive state to campaign in sets the tone for the rest of the primary) correcting the left from within the left is a lost cause.

If I didn't whole heartedly believe that we're due for civilizational collapse in 40-100 years, I'd be suggesting hijacking the GOP. It's proven itself vulnerable first of all. Secondly, Neoconservatism is dead, Trumpism seems to have fizzled out, Paleoconservatism is now relegated to Pat Buchanan's blog, the Alt-Right was mismanaged into an early grave by Spencer et al. and Libertarianism is the world's biggest joke and isn't actually a threat.

I really don't think it would be that hard to reorient the rhetoric of the GOP. Country club Republicans are a dying breed. The religious right, anti-immigrant crowd, and various other subgroups seem to not give the slightest shit about tax cuts for millionaires. Meanwhile, the white working class in the Rustbelt (The electoral future of the GOP if it wants to survive) seems open to things like universal healthcare and nationalized college.

The issue is that the american right wing hijacked socialism in SA and this expanded like a plague, they made a cartoon of what the socialist project was (protectionism against imperialism) and turn it into "hippie revindications" or the SJW movement.

This pic is from Allende's socialism.

Do you see the black immigrants?

Or the feminists?

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What about in this one?

They aren't there cause that wasn't the point of socialism, the point was to create a working class that had good honest jobs, communism as understood by the people that watch a 4 minutes video on marxism was abandoned after WW1.

The socialist projects always wanted to make Norway, but got side tracked by global capitalism.

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Leftism always leads to more shitskins though (like you said, look at sweden). They need open borders to get new voters, and that’s why there are no anti-immigration left wing parties anywhere in the world.

Oh my country is long gone, lets not worry. I am just sad that there are no counries that seem to see the correlation between protecting your own citizens while also keeping immigration in check. I dont understand it. Your analysis seems spot on, although that makes me a bit depressed. Are you hopeful about any meaningful change happening? Or any kind of party reform?

because the left only believes in whatever is more expedient for gaining power at a given time.

Modern Leftism does, since it has divorced itself entirely from even the concept of a nation-state and committed itself fully to cosmopolitanism, humanism and internationalism.

Leftism wasn't always like this though. Joseph Stalin is unironically a pretty good example of somebody who stopped this shit (Leninists & Trotskyists got BTFO hard under him). Beyond that, Teddy Roosevelt (who held positions on fiscal issues that the modern right would abhor) was fairly anti-immigrant. Then there's the brief love affair between American progressives and Benito Mussolini's early policies.

The modern left needs to import minorities because they've stopped supporting proper welfare policies. If they were actually campaigning for universal healthcare (not the trainwreck known as the ACA), free college, environmentalism, etc. they wouldn't need to import voters as they'd have the support of the working class.

They've betrayed the working class in order to get in bed with Wall St. like their GOP counterparts, while positioning themselves as a "lifestyle party" that appeals only to coastal elites, minorities and women. The working class has no interest in this, their economic needs are being undermined by this iteration of the left, and thus the Left has to import voters.

>That just steams me up! I dont know how this heppened...what do you suggest be done?
It´s very logical and it´s so simple that you almost think why have i not thought about this before. You need two things a) more political parties so every aspect of the political spectrum is represented b) classification of what each part of the spectrum stands for so you can model it with venn diagrams and other things.
Let´s take an example. let´s call the far left -10 and centre 0 and far right 10. For each you should have a political party. Then you can have hybrids that have say -3, 5 or something for instance. So little bit of let´s say just hypothetically i want good elderly care, subsidized education, but i want very reduced government and low taxes, so unemployment must be at an absolute minimum to afford it.
As it is now, the spectrum is not at all represented. And those nations who have several parties are too similar and don´t really represent the spectrum, or maybe only represent 1 side of the spectrum or half of one side or so. But back to the US. The US has only 2 parties, Democrat and Republican, and you can run independent but it´s very hard. So basically the problem US has is that since the far left have ursurped the democrats. Anyone not far left on the political spectrum have no way to go but to the republicans who ´represent´ the right part of the spectrum. So they basically have to go hang out with conservatives or right leaning individuals because the democrats have been ursurped by lunatic leninists who wants to throw conservatives into the gulag/reeducation camp. And flood the US with non white people so white people won´t exist there. Anyways if you have more parties so the spectrum is clarified and fully represented you then have the dingbats on each side of the spectrum in their own corner which nobody will vote for. Right now you have the inside other parties who really aren´t about that. And this is an issue.

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So the solution is pretty straight forward. Actually doing it is much more difficult. See there are ofcourse power structures who are NOT interested in representative government. And they will try to fight a spectrum based political party representational system. They prefer as few parties as possible so they can put their puppets in all of them.

Populist parties (both left and right) need some external enemy to make the uncultured panic and shift the blame to said enemy for the country's every problem. Populilst parties prey on society's fears and retardation.

american politics prevent the spontaneous emergence of effective, natural, and self-sustaining social structures. at the highest level, i believe this is what politics and media are mostly about.

>External

It's always internal, the only ones that bother with external enemies are those same globalists that have their own fights with other groups.

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Oh also another thing very important. There needs to be made a law that prevents anyone who recieves welfare or such things from being able to vote. This completely dismantles far left parties ability to buy votes for taxpayer money. So that if you want to vote, get a job, otherwise you have no business saying what tax money should be used for.

i'd really like to be wrong, but that's the conclusion i've come to after observing this propaganda machine for over a year

That is...scary. And although I should probably do some reading first, your response seems completely accurate. I almost wish I disagreed with you actually. It seems like accelerationism is the only answer...that or suffering knowing your future is being stolen from you.

So the countries that never had wellfare yet still voted for socialism don't exist?

Yep, you can follow that rabbit hole by simply researching what has happened to every third party in america since the first anti-mason third party.

Think about the following:
>Under capitalism, you have to create walls to keep people outside, because of limited resources
>under communism you have to create walls to keep people in because there are more resources that are not being processed
The only sustainable "socialism" is Nazism, but only if the society is close to homogeneous and taxes don't pass of 10% - 20% at federal level, local should be 5% more for each (it is just a rough estimate)

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It's called national socialism you dumbass

>So the countries that never had wellfare yet still voted for socialism don't exist?
I didn´t say that, i said that this is how the far left is paying for its votes. And it is precisely why they promote mass immigration, because being far left they have dissasociated themselves from the welbeing of that particular nation and people. If you ever passed a law that says people who don´t pay taxes can´t vote. You would cripple every far left party in an instant.

Man all of this sounds terrible! I made this thread hoping for some optimism but instead I just feel worse about the future. What can a common person do to combat this? Are white people doomed?

because they would now just have a bunch of useless welfare recipient immigrants that could not even vote for them so they would have zero use to ANYONE haha.

>Yep, you can follow that rabbit hole by simply researching what has happened to every third party in america since the first anti-mason third party.

one could argue that this is a natural, self-sustaining structure in and of itself.

I dont want socialism in my ethnostate damnit. But seriously, I mean a modern capitalist left wing party being pro nativist is all I really am looking for. I guess it just doesnt exist in the west anymore. This whole thread is making me sad

It does exist. In China.

> nationalist
> immigration controlled naturally by virtue of bad publicity, autocratic ideology and language difficulty
> birth rate is calibrated to maximise economic output whilst reducing state burden
> early retirement at 55-60 means old people are very active in their local communities and can act as care givers to kids whilst the healthy adults work, old people alsl instill traditional values in kids from a young age
> traditional mentality is to value the good of the group, none of the baozuo identity politics
> massive crackdowns on the self-serving rich who bribe for their power

They're working on the environmental issues (which were a sacrifice they always knew they had to make for economic power). Give it a few years and it'll have the kinks in its social program ironed out.

tfw you'll never to a commie chink working hard for your country, looking forward to an early retirement to spend time with your grandkids, playing chess in the park, and working on the community garden.

That's barely how it works in america.

The wellfare immigrants issue of america is with jobs.

They take the few jobs there are and most locals are jobless and neets.

Every right wing fantasy, either avoid mentioning the fact that their precious utopia won't work because people can't work as there is no jobs for them, or relays on the even bigger fantasy that they will kill the excess of people by discriminating against non whites.

The problem is that even a full white america won't have enough jobs.

Was the Soviet Union multicultural? Are North Korea and China multicultural?

It really isn't, it has taken a lot of money, and more than one crime to keep the status quo.

Because liberalism is a mental disorder!, as M Savage says, and he is right.

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There is, National Socialist.

however, with the population steadily growing at an unsustainable rate, they will likely take drastic measures to ensure their own survival. in the age of the internet, it becomes very difficult to control the emergence of potentially competitive groups and structures. that's part of what this is about, but i also worry what their fail-safe is.

>Man all of this sounds terrible! I made this thread hoping for some optimism but instead I just feel worse about the future. What can a common person do to combat this? Are white people doomed?
need to stop immigration completely. It is how the far left plan to outvote the ethnic population of that nation, by continuing to buy votes for welfare and other things. So they literally by allowing mass immigration are bringing in extra voters don´t you see that? Immigrants should not be allowed to vote for quite a while and number 2 should not be allowed to vote if you are on welfare or some state subsidies that makes it so that you have conflict of interest with regards to how tax dollars are spent, and since if you don´t pay taxes yourself you should not be able to have a say in how they are spent.
I don´t even understand what you are saying, because it doesn´t make sense. That´s precisely how it works in america that the US democrats buy votes in exchange of promising gibs. Just look at bernie sanders campaign. Free healthcare to illegal aliens, what the fuck is that other than. I take taxdollars from americans, run up the debt. but if you vote for me i´ll get you all ´free shit´. That´s buying votes for taxpayer money.

it is, because people are still fooled by it and accept it. i couldn't convince them otherwise even if i tried.

The positive is that I do think there is some party reform underway. Whether or not it will be successful has yet to be determined, but there are plenty of angry Bernie bros who, as of right now, are criticizing the Democrats more than they are the Trump administration (Jimmy Dore is a good example of this). Conversely, the Trump phenomena, is interesting as well. I'm not sure he'll make it through 8 years without selling out, but the fact that the GOP establishment was humiliated and routed by a political amateur is noteworthy at least. I will say it's harder to predict the trajectory of the American Right in the post-Neocon era. The Libertarian fad died down, the Tea Party is on the decline, what comes next if Trumpism truly does fizzle out? I don't think anyone can say.

I tend to think it's too late for any meaningful change to take place, honestly, at least as far as the West is concerned. To try and condense things as brief as possible (This is a subject that needs multiple books to properly explain), we find ourselves at an odd place in history. Technological, cultural, geopolitical & sovereignty-related shifts seem to signal the end of the "Modern" Period (~1650-~20??) (The other two Western ones being Antiquity and the Medieval period).

Beyond a historical shift though, it's extraordinarily likely we're living in the end of modern Western civilization. Sir John Glubb's "Fate of Empires" provides a well-researched, thoughtful blueprint for civilizational lifespans, and according to his work, we're living in the Age of Decline, so collapse would be next. Moving beyond Glubb, if you look at academics who have taken similar approaches to history and its lessons for civilization, but on specific issues (J.D. Unwin on sexuality and sexual regulations, for example), the work of field-relevant academics suggest there are a number of behaviors now embraced by modern society, that historically has resulted in collapse or severe waning.

You are obssesed with migrants cause that's what you have been conditioned to.

But while they do cause problems and do side with the democrats, they aren't the real issue as they can't make a significant change in border or tax policies on their own.

Someone has to vote those laws, and someone has to allow them to.

You are unintentionally taking responsability from the people that actually screwed you.

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desu, i don't think they're above using some kind of biological weapon

>You are obssesed with migrants cause that's what you have been conditioned to.
No i´m not conditioned to that. You want to make excuses because you perhaps have a vested interest in some wanting to immigrate. It´s very clear what mass immigration does to western nations. So i´m not really interested in your excuses.

>You are unintentionally taking responsability from the people that actually screwed you.

those people are untouchable. what else can we do but try to pick up the pieces and prevent further damage?

Healthy social programs are, by definition, not left-wing.

Socialists love minorities.

Fuck you sideways, I don't want to migrate and I don't want your migration waves either.

I'm telling you straight as I can, politicians and corporations vote and lobby for those gibs, as they reap benefits from them.

If you attack the migrants you don't take a single shekel from them, cause that money is distributed already, regardless of how many mexicans ICE deports.

>Healthy social programs are, by definition, not left-wing.
Exactly but the far left has taken over the entire left of the political spectrum, so everything has become polarized between either you are leninist socialist/communist, or you are fascist or literally hitler or something. it´s ridiculous. There is no nuance in the conversations. Because the far left doesn´t want to have any. If they could say that the sky is blue is something about socialist then they would claim this aswell. Anything to fool the gullible.

>Why are there no anti immigrant left wing parties? All I want is healthy social programs and a focus on native birth rates! Why does this not exist?

Bro. National Socialism...

healthy social programs are actually something both shared by the centre left and the centre right, they just prioritize it little bit differently. centre right want to lower taxes, centre left want to increase taxes to get better social programs. And the main thing is about such things and how to deal with unemployment but most other things they can easily come to terms with. Could make a venn diagram easily there, it´s the further they go out to each side of the spectrum the further they come from eachother in priorities obviously.

How can you fight or support what you dont understand? Socialism is open borders, it is complete global totalitarian control and destruction of all history/culture/religion/education.

the first step is to restore natural, functional social structures, e.g. white identity, proper gender roles, and so forth. in order to do this, people must be made aware of how they've been manipulated in the first place.

>Fuck you sideways, I don't want to migrate and I don't want your migration waves either.
What a bore you are to listen to. I have already argued for a spectrum based political system here. The far left wants to use immigrants to create a state dependent class, that outvotes the taxpayer, whilst taking money from the taxpayer to give to this dependent class. This is how you can risk a socialist/communist state being created. When the state dependent class voter amount outnumber the taxpayers. You have continual leftist party and then they remove term limits and these things. And the shitshow begins. This is the danger of bringing these immigrants in. Now if you made it so they could not vote. The immigrant pattern would be very different since a) they wouldn´t be given gibs b) the immigrants who actually work would turn on the other immigrants and side with the ethnic population and go.
>fuck you assholes, i´m not paying for your shit so you can politically outvote me.
This is what i am saying. I don´t hate people of other ethnicities but it is clear how they are being used.

if we're not even willing to do that much, then we are truly doomed.

China and USSR are both "multicultural" in the sense they're essentially a conglomerate of cultures and peoples with their own language and customs but they all looked more or less the same.

China literally uses every propaganda opportunity on TV to show how it has 50 something recognised ethnicities, and how every one of these is loyal to the party. USSR fucked up and split but China is holding everychink together through the sheer force of will, even the Muslims to the north west that were a serious separatist problem a few years back are under control now.

Nork is too small to have any minorities besides maybe 2 ethnic East Russians up north and a Chinese family by the river.

I'm really looking forward to witnessing the cognitive dissonance of race traitor whites as they come to realize over the next decades that we completely fucked ourselves over with "multiculturalism" while the East Asians prosper in ethnonationalist societies

Hey man if you start a newsletter I think I would subscribe haha. You seem spot on although I am not sure the collapse would be as...fun as I would imagine it to be. I would also like to thank you, guys like you make this place worthwhile!

Those "nature estructures" don't exist.

The most natural you are going to get is neo-feudalism.

Why do you still think that borders hopers are your issue?

You can have the people that screw you right in your face screwing you and telling you that Syria gassed kids and cops should be allowed to spy on you with your smart tv, but poor people with not enough money to bus fare in the Mexican border are destroying your life style somehow.

Just wanted to say thank you. You make this an easy venue for discussion and I wanted you to know I appreciate it.

>Why are there no anti immigrant left wing parties?
Keep your eyes on Scandinavia in the next 10 years. I suspect you will start to see these parties there before anywhere else.

1) China is like 90% Han Chinese, it's effectively an ethnostate even if it does have some minorities; and
2) Those minorities are overwhelmingly similar-looking Mongoloids that can be easily assimilated into the Han ethnicity over time. Whites cannot do the same thing with their (more numerous) minority populations without essentially openly embracing their ethnocide, a fact which the Establishment has to make its primary focus to suppress and which is openly tearing out societies apart

we'll have lost outright because we couldn't even stomach the idea of "white identity".

you SJWs, even hearing the word "white race" is enough to put a knot in your stomach. it doesn't sit right with me either, but we have to resist the programming.

What do you really really hate the most?

Non whites or white liberals?

Because the idea of social programs from the beginning was never about helping you.

Not really. Third parties just end up being used as a weapon by the larger party against the second largest party. This happens in Europe all the time with their coalitions.

The simple fact of the matter is that a third party is not a third option in America. It is a wasted vote. It takes too long for a party to grow, and the two other parties are too influential as well.

>I'm telling you straight as I can, politicians and corporations vote and lobby for those gibs, as they reap benefits from them.
Correct. Our consumption-driven economies need consumers, so they just import tens of millions of brown people, transfer our wealth to them through taxes and welfare, and have them spend that money. It's essentially an elaborate scheme to transfer white wealth into corporate hands.

This is something that cannot be answered without knowledge of the JQ.

We have that in Denmark, look up "The Danish People's Party" their views are quite nationalistic but they lean left on the economy.

but it's not a bad word. "african identity", "indian identity", "asian identity". none of these evoke the same feeling, because they're relatively free of connotations. "white identity" is not a bad word, you've only been manipulated and guilted into thinking it is.

>sees huge gaping hole in the political market
>...complains about it
user, are you retarded?

China isn't a homogeneous society.

Shipping over black and brown slave was a bad fucking idea with no foresight. Successful civilisations were build on the back of slaves who looking more or less indistinguishable from their masters so you can easily assimilate them into society after they stop being useful.

for the last goddamned time, i don't hate nonwhites.

and it is impossible to preserve our identity if we are ashamed of it.

THey all been subverted by marxists. The old left actually cared about workers and didnt want immigration to lower their wages. Then again it might be the old Cloven-Piven strategy at work.

>we'll have lost outright because we couldn't even stomach the idea of "white identity
There is a simple, objective, genotypical answer to what constitutes "whites": the people in the circle on the left. If you averaged out all the genes of the people descended only from those people who live in America, it'd be another data point in the circle; that's the White American ethnic group. There exist similar data points for White Canadians, White Australians, etcetera. The ridiculous amount of effort that goes into obscuring this simple fact in favor of playing endless word games about "whiteness" and "social constructs" serves to suppress a fact which is identified intuitively and quickly by anyone not conditioned by literal thousands of hours of propagandizing to ignore

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Those european third parties were ruling parties at some point, or at least had a mathematical chance.

American third parties don't really exist as they get destroyed every few years by the deep state.

This isn't correct at all. The amount of funds set aside for gibs is directly inflated by illegals being registered in the system.
Thus ICE deporting directly reduces the gibs cost.

Then why do you hate white liberals when they speak for them?

Do you have more explanation for that you weasel-wording kike, because I just provided a cogent refutation to the idea that China isn't a de facto ethnostate and I suspect that you're just trying to play Semitic word games to undermine my opposition to white ethnocide

its a real fucking mystery

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No it isn't the amount of gibs it's signed in congress and depends on how much money they want to spend in government organizations like ICE.

Your complains only justify the claims of racism by the dems and inflates the budget for them even more, as they don't want to reduce the gibs as this people will use that same money to buy more shit

They dont get destroyed by the deep state. That is giving them too much credit.
They simply form on a specific issue that eventually gets adopted by one of the other two parties, thus killing whatever reason the third party has to exist.

The simple fact of the matter is that when one of the big parties adopts an issue, it becomes infinitely more valuable to support them than the third party that literally can't win an election for decades because of how big the country is.

The two big parties are already coalitions in themselves. I think this is what is missed by almost all political observers. A third party simply doesnt have the funds, popularity, or the stroke to operate on a federal level.

i don't hate white liberals either. they frustrate me because they're petty and tend not to think with their brains.

>i don't hate white liberals either
You should

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>being this ignorant
go look it up faggot. 'Chinese' isnt an ethnicity. China speaks two languages, too.
They have been multiculti for most of their existence.
>your just trying to undermine me
No. You are just ignorant of China and are trying to use that ignorance as a reinforcement of your ideology, so you come off as a gigantic fool.

Yeah that's why I said "multicultural".

China's ultimate goal isn't assimilation thought that it possible, they want to keep the ethnicities around as a sort of symbolic thing giving the party legitimacy. Like look at all these different cultures all trusting the party, look at the party being good to them supporting their traditional livelihoods.

It's also good for domestic tourism. They allowing those few minorities to do their own thing as long as it falls within party lines.

So basically, China has got it work out but there's no way their system would every work for us because we've fucked it up too bad.

sorry, i don't fall for D&C tactics anymore.