I'm about to start reading marxist literature choris

>what is wikipedia
>what is volunteering works
>what is civil defense
>what is police
>what are rescue teams
>what is linux and open source projects
????

Profits are not bad by themselves, only its appropriation by individuals.

Profits are a motivation for people to try to make things better. Making businesses more efficient and innovating is a good thing by itself

eat shit mavis

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>I'm about to start reading marxist literature choris.
Read john locke's wealth of nations instead.

Marx just copy pasted problems Locke foresaw with the rise of wealth in society's without the context and slapped his own retarded theories on top.

Read some non-Marxist literature to balance yourself out. I recommend:
>The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics — Anonymous Conservative
>The Prince — Niccolò Machiavelli
>The Bell Curve — Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray
>The 10,000 Year Explosion — Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending
>Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature — Murray Rothbard

And, if you end up reading Das Kapital:
>Karl Marx and the Close of His System — Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk

money as motivation only works as shitty motivation for manual labor.
money doesn't work as motivation when cognitive and creativity is involved.
plenty of people do art or volunteering or poltical activism withou seeking a profit.

Europe rose to power after stealing the resources of amerindians and black people, not because they had higher IQ like pol believes.

Kys. Only good commie is a dead one. Only matter of time before you're molesting children

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>I can't stop seeing every problem in society is because of capitalism.
get a job you bum

t. person living in a complete shithole caused by socialism and the only reason he has any quality of life what so ever is leaching off of capitalist societies superior technology and resources

I hate commies, but like most typical capitalist cucks, they cannot argue with ideas and have to retort to violence to defence their system.

>I can't stop seeing every problem in society is because of capitalism.

Theres no such thing as capitalism or communism in this country, just a filthy corrupt plutocracy and a reactionary movement lead by completely drunk, stoner idiots.

if poor people didn't have to steal to eat, there would be no crime, like in communist russia, people there didn't had to steal to get food.

>Europe rose to power after stealing the resources of amerindians and black people, not because they had higher IQ like pol believes.

Did you mean to quote someone else?
This has nothing to do with what I said.

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you're trying to argue africans and spics are poor because of lower IQ and not because of explotaition by european powers.

>I can't stop seeing every problem in society is because of capitalism.

>not blaming humanity's weakness but instead blaming their weak ideologies

fine

Capitalism and communism are both problems caused by industrialism. Industrialism is the real problem. Read Ted Kaczynski.

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>Tells you to go read John Locke, the guy who originally came up with the labor theory of value.

>you're trying to argue africans and spics are poor because of lower IQ and not because of explotaition by european powers.

The fuck?

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That's because you are a lazy faggot looking for any excuse to not work.

so you deny that africans and spics are poor because of european explotaition?

>defending the system that is flooding his country with mexicans
ok retard.

>if poor people didn't have to steal to eat

What are you talking about, if you take a shit in an open field, indian style, here, a fruit tree will grow on that spot in 2 years, Colombia has really good food security, the people starving in Guajira is due to cultural reasons, they live in the middle of the desert and refuse to move when drought comes.

Yes, rich Colombians are utter filth, but poor Colombians are far FAR away from being the oppressed angels you think, some (actually a lot) of them (hell most of the country, millionaires and billionaires included) are very stupid so they do need help to get on their feet.

That said, I dont think a guy that spends half of his income in beer and loathes the idea of his children having higher education even if they are qualified for it and have a good chance of getting into uni, is an oppressed victim by any chance.

Dont think for a second Im one of these right wing "Viva España" retards that post here often, Im middle class and consider myself very liberal, but I call a spade a spade.

>so you deny that africans and spics are poor because of european explotaition?
"africans and spics"
user. Just stop. If you actually think Marx made some good points. Go read Loche. Loche's labor theory of value was the foundation for Marxism. That's all I'm telling you.
You can keep acting retarded now.

>there's technology to give people free food but there's also starving people
>there's technology to give every citizen some kind of free shelter but there's not economic motivation to give free shelter to companies
>there's technology to employ all citizens building schools, roads, bridges, buildings, harvesting food, but there's not economic incentive in giving food and buildings for free
>better to simply loan money to the IMF
wow, I love capitalism.

ok, I will read it.

This is biggest redpill in this thread, sadly I don't think there's much we can do about it.

>so you deny that africans and spics are poor because of european explotaition?

I know Im not that guy but yes and no, theres a shitton of factors, none of which will be presented to you in a neutral light here, or in your uni for that matter, do your own research, read all you can, question all you read, see and listen, try to gety as many viewpoints as you can, go to la zona rosa and speak with the gomelos you probably hate so much, go to the barrios de invasion and speak to the people there, go to the FARC political headquarters and ask them about poverty, aske them why they did what they did, go to Ordoñez´s campaign quarters (if theyre still open) ask him the same question, ask him why he has those views and make your OWN conclusions after STUDYING A LOT.

>there's technology to give people free food but there's also starving people
>there's technology to give every citizen some kind of free shelter but there's not economic motivation to give free shelter to companies
>there's technology to employ all citizens building schools, roads, bridges, buildings, harvesting food, but there's not economic incentive in giving food and buildings for free
>better to simply loan money to the IMF
wow, I love capitalism.

Yet it doesnt happen here, nor is Japan, nor in Singapore, nor in fucking Sweden, while more people died by starvation in the Soviet Union and China than in the Holocaust.

Whats your point?

that's not a problem to begin with, brainlet

I used to hate capitalism, but I've realized that it is actually the only legit system. My hate is now directed at my piece of shit parents for conceiving me without being rich.

>I'll repeat cold war propaganda
>that makes me cool
ok dumbass, is not like a commie country is now #1 (China)

Answer this:
What's stopping the brick companies and concrete and steel companies to hire people and make steel, bricks and concrete for free so the construction companies hire people to build free houses so every citizen has a free home?

>but that never happened except in commie russia

Wait, what?
I thought Adam Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations, and Locke wrote the Two Treatises.

> china is communist
state capitalism*

read Evola afterwards

>let's put addicting chemicals to food so people get addicted to food and consume more
>there's not a problem with capitalist consumption on a finite enviroment
>pollution and global warming are not a concern
ok dumbass

>It's not socialism, but is capitalism when It works
>It's not capitalism, but is socialism when it fails
ok retard.

>I can't stop seeing every problem in society is because of capitalism.
You have a low IQ and are a weak fuck. Marxism is explaining things via 100% feminine emotion. Central banking is society's disease, not capitalism.

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ok dumbass, is not like a commie country is now #1 (China)

I lived in China for 4 years , theyre as far away from communism as it gets.

You truly are an idiot

>I'll repeat cold war propaganda
>that makes me cool

Its not propaganda, the effects of the Holomodor in the USSR and Mao´s Cultural Revolution are well documented and agreed upon by pretty much all historians regardless of their political leaning.

If thats not enough for you, take a stroll to Venezuela.

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What next? Are you going to start blaming every problem in society because of the human heart?

Many problems stem from capitalism the mechanism, as a bastardized tool of enslavement by the international banking cartel. The free market isn't the problem, the perverse free market is, and while some of the symptoms of the problem are identified by communist doctrine, the causes are all completely misidentified, and the solution is so retarded one would actually have to be a simpleton idiot to believe in it.

Don't read the books /pol tells you, they are terrible.

What economic system were all those operating under? Capitalism, go figure.

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yeah and who support that?

protip: they're capitalists.

And how many people american armies killed in the thirld world because of capitalism?

And how many thirld worlders Coca cola killed?
And how many thirld worlders die every year because of preventable shit (hunger, diseases, polluted water)?

>police and rescue teams arent greedy as fuck
what do you call pension plans that bankrupt my state you commie brainlet

>yeah and who support that?
Actually the jews and socialist/marxist did you retard.

youtube.com/watch?v=dGT-hygPqUM

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy

>capitalism has the right to own the idea of free market
ok retard.

if food, shelter were given for free, why would you need a high pension?

yeah, jews are capitalists, good job.

China's economy depends on cheap exports. If you think you could do that under communism, then please off yourself

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism

And how many people american armies killed in the thirld world because of capitalism?

>And how many thirld worlders Coca cola killed?
>And how many thirld worlders die every year >because of preventable shit (hunger, diseases, polluted water)?

And how is la marcha de las putas and trashing the Mercedes of el indio enano that got rich by importing cheap shit from communist China in the most capitalistic of fashions and sells it to dumb communist retards in La Nacional for a 300% profit gonna solve it?

Read Marxist literature, then.
Read Marx, Lenin, Chomsky, Gramsci, Trotsky.
You'll come to realize tat te amount of ideological infighting present in socialism-communism is the highest. There is also the question of actually interpreting definitions of equity and equality according to the famous quote," From each according to its ability, and to each according to their need ".

>muh centrally planned and strictly regulated currency is free market capitalism

profit motivation isn't a problem.

>resources are unlimited forever and will never end up in massive debt for future generations

i know this is a bait thread. I know you are just bored. But i need to say this.

>Error is part of the human nature. Thats how we learn.
>Any system made and controled by humans will be subject to human error.
>Capitalism and communism are both system created and controlled by humans.
>Both will fail.

That's a human problem. Has nothing to do with ideology but everything to do with human nature. The sooner you realize this, you'll understand that capitalism is the most humane way of harnessing human greed.

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it's not capitalism it's corporate communism that's fucking ruining everything

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism

>le china is capitalist meme

consumerism is a result of profit seeking.
destruction of music and art is a result of profit seeking.
obesity is a result of profit seeking.
planned obsolence is a result of profit seeking.

>capitalism can work all over the world when there's only 20 years of proven reserves of minerals

Socialism is literally the opposite of human nature. Just the fact that you are entitled to your own opinion and are trying to prove you own point is enough proof that communism/socialism is not achievable. It's in human nature to disagree and have freedom of thought

Your last 3 posts have been straw men.

Váyase a venezuela, el edén marxista

Banks are the problem
Capitalism is the only reason we are have the world we do today

If you think capitalism is the problem you are ignorant or lack imagination

>A "communsit" argues over semantics because he doesn't like the word "capitalism" and wants to just rebrand capitalism as "marxism" to avoid the word "capitalism".

>it's corporate communism that's fucking ruining everything

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>an economic system that only has functioned in a few countries a couple centuries is the true measure of mankind
>let's ignore all the previous centuries of economic systems all over the world that also worked

the tactic of the left is to project themselves. in that case of the picture you linked, that is exactly what happens in high echelons of masonic police and government.

>why would people be greedy if food was free
are you a god damn retard or something?

so your point is that there is no way to continue the consuming of resources over time but advocate that we should make them free and give them to everyone? how dense are you

Quite nuanced. And it makes perfect sense.
civilizations rise and fall and history repeats/rimes based on human condition and all the underlying problems it comes with, entropy and decay starts as new generations are born and raised in new and "better" societies and material wealth it comes with, since they never contributed to it, they lack respect for it, so, never truly adhere to preserve it, as they don't really understand principles which built them, even when preached those, wisdom comes from experience that they don't have.

Capitalism is awful, but so is communism. Capitalism offers lots of convenience and advancement that isn't present in utilitarian societies, but also needs all nations to put limits on monopolies and oligarchies

We'll possibly never have utopia, but all the problems with capitalism in the modern day are caused by the Jewish cabal in power who are interested in nothing else but destroying their host nations and sapping all the wealth before moving on

Without them, capitalism at least has a chance. When it was mostly white people in charge in the early days of capitalism, the system was working very nicely

>the idea of markets are a 100% capitalist idea that somehow commies can't use
>but clearly the idea of public transportation, pensions, universal education, universal vaccines, 8 hours daily of mandatory paid work, minimal wage are clearly capitalist ideas even if commies invented them
ok retard.

America produces four times the food they need.

food, water and energy can be done in a renewable way retard.
shelter also doesn't consume minerals, can be done with wood.
planned obsolence is the problem.

>there's starving people
>there is starting people
There're

Nunca hubo un mejor sistema en la historia de la humanidad que sacara a tanta gente de la pobreza como el capitalismo. Como erronóeamente predijo Marx, la gente cada vez se hace más rica y no más pobre, la utopía que plantea Marx no es posible, ni se necesita.

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Holy shit, You are stoopid. All economic systems are bound to collapse due to the existence of a state and its progressive expansion to totalitarianism. Under truly free market capitalism, we'd be exploring fucking Alpha Centauri by now

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look at income inequality retard.

>but GDP clearly showcase standart of livings

>concentration of power doesn't exist under free market
ok retard.

Capitalism is evil, but in a neutral way. It is the base system of competition any living creature takes part in. Trying to replace it with marxism will always result in fail, as human's are capitalistic in nature, and in the marxist system it is only the elite who get to enjoy their exploits.

Capitalism will always exist, it is just a question of whether you will let all take part in it, or the few elite who will exploit the rest of us without a fighting chance.

concentration of power is only possible where there is government regulations in place. Under true free market capitalism competition would be so brutal that big concentrations of power would be extremely unlikely

Y no es algo que solo beneficia a las "potencias", países como Chile, China, Corea del Sur y tantos otros países que en la primera mitad del siglo XX no eran industrializados y eran pobres, son, o están en vías de desarrollo a través del mercado.

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Now youre the retard, and not even cause youre wrong.

>Hey George, we found out our company could be more profitable by replacing all our workers with robots, also by killing all our costumers since we dont even need anyone to buy the shit we produce now.
>Also, fuck roads.

The problem is not capitalism, but cronyism and our monetary system that empowers the banking class. Pic related.

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>humans are capitalistic by nature
>Let's ignore the millions of years humans lived under communities
>Let's ignore capitalism is only new in non western countries
ok retard.

I bet you think computers are humanistic by nature.

why a monopoly wouldn't evolve towards a state?
What's stopping if there's no goverment that a company would exploit all his workers to death LIKE IT HAPPENED IN THE LATE XIX CENTURY.
What's stopping for a company to pollute a place if there's not regulations?
What's stopping from a company to use drug adicting substances in food so people buy more off it?

>income inequality
Venezuela tiene el coeficiente de Gini más igualitario y mirá como está, sin embargo, Chile está en el medio y mirá también como está.

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>replacing all our workers with robots
Implying this is bad. In the last 20 years, as robots and AI have replaced humans in the manufacture process, there has been created hundreds if not thousands of new job positions that were unthinkable just 2 decades ago. If you advocate primitivism, then probably communism is for you my friend and there's nothing I can do to change that

Its a false dialectic to begin with.

All the biggest capitalists are really communists, and vice versa. Who was the biggest funder of Mao Zedong? The Rockefellers.

And even if capitalism is the biggest problem with society, then that doesn't mean communism will actually fix those problems. The "Support x because Y is evil" is basic bitch sophistry. X may be evil, but that alone is no reason to implement Y. This is everywhere in society "Vote for me because my opponent is evil" "Believe in evolution because Creationism is for stupid Christians", etc.

>let's ignore all the US sanctions on venezuela
ok dumbass.

what economic system do nordic countries use BTW?

unless you replace the system with another, capitalism can't exist in a country where 90% of the population are neets.

los zurditosautomaticamente asumen que igualdad = bueno y desigualdad = malo. Lo que no ven es que en muchos paises con poca desigualdad los niveles de pobreza son altisimos, mientras que en muchos paises bastante desiguales incluso los pobres viven en mejor condicion que la clase media de paises socialistas. L disgualdad implica una amplia diferencia en a distribucion de ingresos, pero esono tiene nadade malo si los que estan abajo viven en mejor condicion que el ciudadano promedio de paises con politica economica redistributiva (altos impuestos, estatismo, asistencialismo)

>America produces four times the food they need.
and they have more firefighters with lifetime pensions than they will ever need
wait, didnt you just claim firefighters were a success of communism?
LOL

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>los pobres de usa viven mejor que la clase media noruega o china
ok pendejito.

>let's ignore all the US sanctions on venezuela
well when you start a company and the govt takes it over "just because"
why wouldnt you sanction them?

La desigualdad de ingreso no tiene nada que ver con las sanciones americanas, el 90% de las exportaciones de Venezuela eran petróleo y sus derivados, en 2013 se cae el precio del barril y Maduro enseguida empieza a imprimir dinero, lo que hizo disparar la inflación, después solo siguió su instinto marxista y autoritario para romper el país.

>what economic system do nordic countries use BTW?

fijate cuántos impuestos paga un sueco promedio o un danés.

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