How does one become organized and punctual like stereotypical German?

>two people, two worldviews
Just do it

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>work trip to a german factory
>doing nothing all day
>eating on your workplace
>openly doing safety offenses

Its all lies and deception.

One has not be Slavic.

But killing yourself only makes you more German, no?

Wanna know how I know you are Albanian/Muhammedian?

German and Anglo punctuality is nothing alike.
All English customs are that you are late 10 minutes. Not because of rudeness, but because it's seen as impolite among Brits to come on scheduled time and, God forbid, be in a situation where host couldn't do last minute changes , in order to avoid shame.

Just do it is not a problem Hans. The problem is when you start doing it, and random niggers block your path and ruin your schedule.
God forbid making schedule in 10 minute lapses. Our transits are late for 30-45 minutes. So it's a meme?

Have a (you)

desu, i always thought the "german wprk ethic and punctuality" was a meme... until i got an italian gf...
all the broken promises by her friends, the being two hours late, the unproductivity...
it crushed my soul and felt extremely strange to me

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embarrassingly lose the most important war in your peoples history and get gang raped by mongol soviets

It is genetically impossible for a slav to turn up on time.

To become organized and punctual, you need to have a change in mentality.

Don't try to emulate Germans if you're not German. Do you even really want to be them? They're pathologically obedient and conformist. They have lower creativity than many others, including probably your own nation.

Find places with other productive men and surround yourself with the right people.

> 2 hours late

M8, not even my slavniggers are that late.
If they are late more than 20 minutes I make them pay my drinks or just leave. People in general nag you back or just be on purpose next time late that much.

Being late 2 hours is being disrespectable asshole.
As for Italians. They are a crazy bunch. Been to Northern Italy, place is nice, but shit do they drive like maniacs and ignore red lights.

I'm not a Slav then.

I have ancestry but it's kinda distant. From having some Croat blood, to intermixing with Austrian who intermixed with Germa... You get that the point.

Other than that I like order and making shit neat. I don't like obedience and conformism. I personally like being orderly for myself and my environment. It gives me pleasure to do organizing shit.
I'm also an artist, but also study logic tier subject on uni.

The rage of thousand suns is upon me, when even students of engineering are soyboys being late and not delivering on their promises.

> Hey wanna meet up ?
>> Uh maybe when?
> Tommorow at 19 at city square?
>> Uh bro I don't know I'll call you back tommorow and tell you

...
> So are we going out or not?
>> No response
> Time wasted
>> Ugh bro liek not my fault lel

I want to murder them all.

All you have to do is renounce your soul.
And feed on the blood of other Europeans at least twice a century.

Also

> Hello, IKEA? Yeah I need this shit delivered, when can you deliver it
> Ugh between 9AM and 5PM, we'll ring at your door.
> They don't show up till 2PM
> Go out to buy groceries
> Come back at 2:13PM
> Wait till 5PM
> Nothing
> Call
> Ugh we were around 2PM and nobody answered the door.
> You should've called me I was around the corner
> UUUGH WELL IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO DO THAT

Never buying shit from these niggers.

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What did Leaf mean by this?

Look, it sounds like a lot of the problem stems not from your own disorganization but from people around you being chaotic and irresponsible.

I think that you need to maintain your own punctuality and discipline (always come 10-15 min early and if you need to wait for those 15 mins, use the time to previsualize and focus on the upcoming meeting). You're forging yourself, making yourself into a strong man who can impose his will on his own life, and by extension, the world. That's what matters, not some random cocksuckers who can't get their shit together.

Eventually, you will be in the company of people who understand and value your seriousness, and your solitary struggle will find its reward.

Are you a digital painter? I'm looking to hire one for a project.

>desu, i always thought the "german wprk ethic and punctuality" was a meme...
Same here, got an ukranian gf and couldn't handle her time management.
Unbelievable.

>it crushed my soul and felt extremely strange to me
I got that when i got to a foreign country for more than vacation and became "THAT german".

Read through some of your posts, Ratko, I understand your frustrations. The trick is to be as self-reliant as possible.

>Transport
Walk, take your bike or your car. Don't wait on or expect other niggers to do their job on time.

>Workload
Do as much as you normally should, not an inch more and make sure to make it clear to management. If they're worth their salt, they'll understand and come down hard on the lazy asses.

>Meetings
Anybody who chronically abuses your time - drop them for good.

My experiences with delivery guys is terrible and I try to avoid them as much as possible. I always order to the nearest office drop off and pick it up myself. I can go to the opposite side of the city in an hour by walking if I have to. I guess it's more difficult with larger packages.

Hope this helps.

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you
your own and only problem

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You should never aspire to be German. They are all either autistic retards or degenerate retards, without fail.

Don't compare anglos to yourselves. Anglos aren't perfect, but at least they contain their dysfunction to themselves and aren't a cancer that spreads it through the entire region.

lazy fat people sit and watch professional players,
lazy fat people play sit professional football games,
but fat people dont pay or play football nor do pay or watch normal people doing it so.
and professionals do not give a flying fuck about fat stupid people, only clients, thats all,
dumb brain washed clients.

EE fems are known to be really in work ethic.
No idea how they manage though.

I'm looking into bike meme, but I'm afraid I'll get mugged the moment I turn my back in this shithole.

I'm moving out of house and hopefully I'll manage to not drift into neet oblivion of mess.
Thank you based Bulgarian.

I interact with Germans during summer in Croatia. You lads aren't that bad. Aside from sandals and socks meme, which anglos have more in common than you, you guys are pretty chill, and loud.

What do you mean by this ? Aren't Americans known for their disorganized tactics in war?

To be fair, if we dont know what we are doing its hard to anticipate our actions.

You forgot to answer my post *looks at watch*

We have a lot of people of German descent in our country, which combined with Jews explains our combination warmongering stupidity and underhanded subterfuge. It's not a good thing.

It's the German culture. It only happens if 90% of people contribute to that kind of a culture. You are correct that trying to be punctual and organized is impossible/pointless in a country in which no one else acts that way.

You could move to the US, we still have a strong punctual work ethic for the most part

Why don't you worry more about being a great Serb than trying to be someone you're not

>There's a meme of Germans being hard working
Hard workers or hardly working? Kek
>That being said, much of the German work ethic meme is exaggerated.
I'm not exactly sure where it came from.

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>Don't compare anglos to yourselves. Anglos aren't perfect, but at least they contain their dysfunction to themselves and aren't a cancer that spreads it through the entire region.
>Anglos aren't a cancer that spreads
>Flag

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It's because they work efficiently

Sorry m8 didn't see your post.
I really hate waiting and if person is being late twice in a row I just end up being even more late than them. Nigger behavior I know.
Yet the temptations are everywhere to turn into a sloth.
I go through periods of being autistic organizer and then break down as my attempts to holding down a schedule fail miserably around me and I have to do it on the move.
This in turn depresses me and later on I don't do even basic shit, until I explode and get everything back on track and feel good... and cycle repeats.

I'm not a painter. Might pick it up one day, planned after uni is done. Finishing law and going into comp science/ electrical engineering... Hopefully in Germanistan.

Hello, I am Bosnian living in Sweden

Being orderly here is very easy, things go on time for the most time (collective trafic can mess up sometimes but not too much), people can be counted on, trusted etc

I think it's just that our people are lazy as fuck and many are stupid

Cheers

>It's because they work efficiently
Explain. So they aren't hard workers, they are efficient workers?

> Serb
> Moving to US.
Hard but possible. I never heard of Americans being punctual. No offense.

I said to be organized and punctual like a stereotypical German. It never implied not being a Serb.
Or German organization is only tied to them and no one else?
* looks at SQPR *
Gets the noggin joggin.

So a person who pulls an all nighter is efficient worker over someone who studies every day for x amount of hours?

Pozdrav za Bosnu. Jebo lud zbunjenog ovde.

i'm German and can't even handle it

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What did you mean by this ?
I really need input from Germans and those who grew up in Germany.
Is this true and how was this discipline instilled in you?
Did globalization affect you guys and your work ethics with all the distractions and chaos from other cultures?

If you go to Germany you'll find it easy to be punctual. Same goes for the US and Canada, the work culture here is punctual to the minute.

Thanks for the advise lad.
Where does it stem from, what do you think?

It is even more bizarre in Japan, I believe their work ethic and punctuality is #1 in the world, perhaps tied with smaller city-states like Singapore, Hong Kong and Shangai

Some kind of evolutionary pressures towards conformism, combined with Protenstantism in my opinion.

This makes sense, but what about Japs and Koreans?
They have super high numbers of worktime

>It is even more bizarre in Japan, I believe their work ethic and punctuality is #1 in the world, perhaps tied with smaller city-states like Singapore, Hong Kong and Shangai
Because they are domesticated insect people. They slave away all day at their masters behest no questions asked. That isn't the European way.

This just seems like jealousy on your part. I won't say they are better or worse then Europeans, but they definitely outclass in certain areas

Too much organization is fragile and lifeless

Embrace chaos.

Stop browsing this site and it will happen.

>OP goes to reply

WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

I'm a Russian Jew, here's what I have to say about Canada: Canada is a country of imbecilic cucked faggots who are now swamped with the garbage of the third world, but the one thing I really respect about REAL (rural) Canadians is the hardcore, relentless work ethic.
I've been on the oil rigs in northern Alberta for example, those boys don't fuck around, it puts the military to shame. Punctual and hardworking like robots, even under very tough conditions. My own work ethic became 10x better under their influence.

Grow up in poverty.

It's quite simple, trains etc. aren't punctual in Germany, either. You just factor possible problems into your timetable, even if that means leaving your hours 2 hours too early.
Then, if you need to kill time, like an hour, because everything WAS punctual against all odds, well, that can't be helped but at least you won't be late.
That's how it works in Germany. Being somewhat early isn't a problem either ("5 minutes before time is the soldier's punctuality.")

Too much chaos loses out to organization.

the closer to the equator you are, the less comprehension you have of time

food is available in all seasons near the equator, no need to plan or keep track of time

in africa, they don't even have the concept of next week, so you can't schedule appointments there

We work more hours because we accomplish less per hour desu.

Amateurs. Nothing compares to the mighty ant people.

They're leaders in suicide too. Work hours slaved under your boss aren't the only number that matters in life...

In my experience, also planning taking in mind slackers surrounding you helps.

Care more about time. Appreciate it.

>Are you guys organized and hard working?
Make sure your estimates for your schedule are accurate, not precise. Plan your tasks with extra time so nothing gets derailed and expectations are met.

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>Make sure your estimates for your schedule are accurate, not precise.

This so much, leave space for error.

this, if you're not early, you're late

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So Germans are the most effective?!

With autism you can.

I did. Poor people are really lazy.

This.

Read somewhere that Germans took organization seriously after they got seriously btfo by Romans and had to learn how to farm in harsh climate where warm weather was short.

I think I agree with you.
Here's a thing though.
Why shouldn't I be late when there's no punishment?
There's no reward for me being early either. Just wasted time and me watching other nepostic cunts get ahead of me. All while they get away with no underbags from nosleep.
Do you think society would become more punctual if there were rewards for paying bills early and having harsher sanctions for being late and not doing required shit on time?

How much ahead, please give examples. Srs.

Low effort answer.

How much extra time? Do you think it's better to think in terms of % of total time or just put +20 minutes around every task? I can't really figure out how much time I'll need to poop.
My transit sometimes takes me 60 minutes to get to university. Sometimes only 25. This shit launches me into orbit.
What if my task isn't finished by the schedule? Do I finish it, or just leave it and follow the schedule?

Fuck that. I just care about my own work.
For example, studying for exam or making a start up company. Staying on top of your work schedule is important.

Because I deliver and know there are nice people in this pile of shit of bots and trolls.
I like Jow Forums because of nazi ubermensch larp. Unlike r*ddit and their memes, I know autistic polacks deliver and some of them are really hard working people. I want to learn from such people while retaining chaotic/artistic side.

Ne možeš da se organizuješ u neorganizovanoj zemlji. Kad sam živeo u Americi, bio sam duplo produktivniji, u Srbiji živim kao govnar.

Mozes vise da pricas o ovome?
Ovde se bukvalno raspadnem ko govno posle 4 nedelje i gledam u plafon.

>How much extra time?
For most situations, plan for the worst case, and then pad to that.

Suppose someone asks you when Alexander the Great was born. Person X says 360 B.C. Person Y says I dunno, 500 A.D. to 2000 B.C. Who gave the better estimate? Person Y. He wasn't precise, but he was accurate.

Or think of receiving a pizza. Company X says they'll deliver in 15 minutes, and arrives in 30 minutes. Company Y says they'll deliver in 45 minutes, and delivers in 30 minutes. Who gave the better estimate? They both delivered in 30 minutes! Company Y.

I thought this stuff was common sense!

>There's a meme of Germans being hard working, organized and punctual people.
Ask an organized German anything

>how much ahead

I like to be 15 minutes early, and spend the time completely focusing on the task ahead. The punctuality aspect is good (I used to be late all the time and it felt like shit), but what's even better is the boost to your performance due to being focused on what you're about to discuss/do.

Make sure you program a lot of free time into your day, and make ample use of the 80/20 rule. Think about how you can eliminate unnecessary actions/ optimize drastically. How would you go about things if you had a week left to live? That's a good mental exercise to really get streamlined.

You need a lot of time where you just sleep, relax, jerk off, whatever. People who "work" 60 hours a week are in reality operating at low efficiency, and the mind-numbing stress and fatigue of those mediocre 60 hours deprive them of the ability to really THINK and improve their efficiency.
A guy who understands efficiency, rests properly and works for 30 good hours a week has higher potential than the over-caffeinated 60-hour slave running in his hamster wheel.

Fucking transgender whore

How did you lads become organized ? I wrote some questions before to a Leaf and Swede.
How do you stay on top of organization meme and don't break down?

How do you estimate your time? How do you not back down on boring shit you have to do?
Is it a cultural thing or it's because of laws?
Did anything change from globalization on your work ethic and organization?
How did your parents teach you?
Do you get some sort of punishment/reward for NOT being unorganized mess?

It sort of is, but I just like fine tuning everything.
I go by principle of leaving around 20-40% additional time in a schedule because of traffic and random shit.

You need to not be autistic, OP. In some social circles and cultures (latino for instance), you will be seen as either, rude, pain-in-the-ass, or even cuckish for being autistically on time to social events. You need to read your situation, which is an important darwinian survival test/skill.

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I'm already using Paretto principle. Albeit on the run and estimation.

> How would you go about things if you had a week left to live?

Full blown nigger hedonism kek. Semi serious.

Sleep is my greatest enemy. I can't match my circadian rhythm. Getting asleep is hell. Getting up and clearing your head is even worse. For the hell of me sometimes I need full blown 3 hours to not feel dizy from sleep.

Sleeping 5 hours is easier for me than 8. And when let naturally, I sleep around 9 hours and feel tired next 2. That's why I have to plan ahead to get up at around 5 AM to be ready around 7AM.

*ginger fever intensifies*

So what is your optimal sleep schedule to feel rested?

Mogu, radio sam u Americi fizičke poslove, pravio oko 3000$ mesečno. Atmosfera na poslu super, nema drkanja, svaki minut preko radnog vremena se plaća, čim vide da radiš kako treba i da kapiraš stvari dobijaš unapređenje i više love.

Kada se s nekim dogovoriš nešto, tako i bude. Plata ne kasni nikad, posao se radi kako treba, svi rade. Infrastruktura odlična, saobraćaj regulisan, pauze za ručak itd.

Onda se vratiš u Srbiju i treba da radiš za 30.000 negde, gde ti je šef neki majmun koji je dobio posao preko stranke, kolege imbecili i neradnici, ljudi nekulturni, neuređena država gde samo kriminalac pravi lovu, ljudi oko tebe nezadovoljni, većina gleda da pali negde, ti u depresiji, razmišljaš šta sam se vraćao koji kurac...

Sve u svemu, nebo i zemlja, ja ovde nemam volje da radim bilo šta, niti da pokrećem nešto svoje, niti ništa. Nisam u krizi hvala Bogu, zdrav sam, prav, dobro stojim finansijski, ali gledam da što pre napuštam Srbiju za stalno.

Ne znam da li ti ovo pomaže bilo kako.

let a soviet conscript rape your wife and sister and mom
best motivation ever

Have SMART goals
Either allot time to a task or your time to a task, learn to delegate and/or prioritize
Experience
Dunno if it's very cultural, probably came from all that militaristic Prussian bullshit
Globalization increased the need for competitiveness, to be more competitive you need to be more efficient, being organized helps with that I guess
I'm probably more organized than my parents
Punishment? I don't get the question

>I just like fine tuning everything.
Cool. Other tricks--

* Don't multitask. It's cancer. One thing at a time.

* Do the easiest tasks first. Get them out of the way. If you have one big task remaining, it is easier to get help and looks better, like you've been working hard, than if you focused on the big task, and have a bunch of little shit left over.

* Don't get derailed into pointless conversations from coworkers. Table that stuff, take it "offline," discuss later over lunch or meeting or whatever. Wrap up meetings quickly.

Italians work longer hours than germshits.

"work"

Love

Love is the strongest feeling in the world together with Sexual Energy, Harness these into a project, Need motivation?
Look into your daughters eyes and tell her why you need this to be done

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Ach Mario

The Norsemen ruined the roman Empire
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Venetians Italians ruined constantinopel

The ww1 wasent caused by Germany, it was caused by the AUstroHungarians

please ignore the mentally ill memeflaggot larping as Italian

Living an ascetic lifestyle is essential. The keys to success are outlined here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_virtues

I can't really give any more advice because it's not like I was a fuckup who got his life together. Since I was a little kid, my dad taught me to follow the Protestant work ethic and that's how I grew up, and I was just sorta always an organized, hardworking person.

This is also true. You'll just end up doing more than your fair share of the work and it will make you miserable.

>I tried multiple times. And it fails every time miserably because other people just wreck your schedule, starting from transport, meeting, to even fucking sleep.

The trick to being punctual is to plan to be there shortly before the event starts. 5 or 10 minutes usually.

If the whole society works this way, it is easy to be on time. But if the train is late, for example, you'll miss the next leg of your trip, and then arrive even later. Then you are late for the things you need to do, which causes somebody else to delay... causing a chain reaction that results in everybody in the whole society being late.

In Germany, in spite of all the corruption and immigrants, I find that the trains are extremely punctual when comparing with most other countries. Germans, however, complain that the train 'never' runs on time.
>How does one become and stay organized, and not demotivated in chaotic world, Jow Forums ?
To stay motivated I recommend nofap. I also suggest listening to good music that heals your soul. z.B Beethoven, Mozart, Heino or Freddy Quinn.

Butthurt Untermensch detected.

You're not italian.

germ subhuman

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>implying it was germans and not (((germans))) who ruined europe