Genetics and Biology thread

Is racemixing good or bad in terms of preserving the traits that made Western civilization great?

Is intelligence genetic and are those traits dominant?

PCAs are pretty basic math, you need some basic statistics and linear algebra
some more complex models need more heavy statistics but the field ain't that math heavy like, I don't know, financial engineering
yet...

why are u racist

What's the brainlets guide in how to get into understanding genetics, ethnicity, haplogroups, and their behaviors in terms of personality and physical traits.

>Greeks are less white than North africans
W E W

So certain Greeks or Cypriots can be closer to Mid East than vice versa. Turks and Iranians are surprisingly closer to one another than I expected. So much for muh Indo European Persians. Is each symbol in the graph one single individual?

And Ashkenazi jews seem to be truly Middle Eastern Jews who intermarried with Italian women. Khazar theory BTFO.

>Blue eyed people came from Iran to europe 8000 years ago, so if you can call a blue eyed person white, then arabs are white too
I thought blue eyes originated from the Ukraine?

What is Y-haplogroup A

anotolians were effected by the indo european invasion

Greeks got raped by turks a lot over the years, I consider them less white than Iranians.

Aryans conquered Iran in the past, that's why there are so much blue eyed people there.

nature.com/articles/nature13673

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25230663

I read the hardest material twice, so I guess if you're patient, focused, and IQ120 or better you should be ok.

>ad personem
>doesn't know what a PCA is

you're not fit for this discussion

>Even Indians to some degree stems from white people

No, the upper caste of Indians is polarized in the direction of the European genome as a result of Cro Magnid mixing with the local races over the course of the Indus Valley civilization.

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>terms of preserving the traits

The traits that made Western civilization great were bred through manorialism. Racemixing would destroy these capabilities, even mating between upper and lower class Whites harms these traits.

>Is intelligence genetic and are those traits dominant?

Yes, intelligence is genetic.

Dominance does not matter here, intelligence genes and SNPs are racially linked and need to find themselves in the other gamete (i.e. for a White intelligence gene to express you need two White parents, as otherwise the gene will go dormant because it didn't an equivalent allele to express with). The genes that make Asians smart are different to those that make Whites smart, etc for all racial groups. Granularity included.

>Is each symbol in the graph one single individual?
Yes

>Khazar theory BTFO.
Yes

Haplogroups are meme tier race science desu.

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Black sea area in general, georgia, ukraine, turkey, iran
Its hard to pinpoint where they originated from, but as far as i know, its more in the direction of iran, than ukraine

im half greek and have no east asian genes and while im pretty white my dad is olive skinned and a lot of his family is too

?????

who are the most pure jew today ?

WHG is based on samples mostly from mesolithic west Europe, it is often called "Villabruna cluster" as well because a representative sample is from Italy
EHG from east Europe, like Karelia_HG or Ukraine foragers
ancient north Eurasian is represented pretty much by two samples, the Malta Boy and Afontovo gora, both from Siberia(the first very east)

they are all crown* Eurasian foragers essentially, EHG has been modeled as a mix of some WHG related people and ANE, they form a natural cline of diversity west-east
ANE is closer to WHG than to east Asians proper

*there is a distinction made between crown Eurasian and basal Eurasians
basal Eurasian represents a very divergent ancestral component that seems to have split up from the ancestor of WHG and east Asians before these diverged and is likely indigenous to the middle east, being highly detected in people like Natufians, neolithic Iranians, and modern Bedouins, although it's still pretty mysterious

>so much
So much compared to the rest of the region you mean. But there are actual pockets from there populated exclusively by light haired and light eyed people.

Half true. When the Brits decided it was time to help the Greeks fight off the Turks, they were undecided on who was greek and who was not. So they did this: they declared everyone who was Orthodox, spoke Greek and was willing to fight the Turks a Greek. That included Albanians, Slavs, converted Turkmens, Armenians, Georgians, and converted Turks, and there were plenty of them there. They obviously left descendants there who today claim to hail from Leonidas himself. But the majority of modern Greeks truly WUZ ancient Greeks, though fewer than the Greeks themselves would like to admit.

No they're not. Fuck off with this paki shill shit.

youtube.com/watch?v=j8zyT7zF5t4

Jean-Francois Gariépy | Ph. D. in Neuroscience | Duke University

researchgate.net/profile/Jean-Francois_Gariepy

Duke University's ranking in the 2018 edition of Best Colleges is National Universities, 9

usnews.com/best-colleges/duke-university-2920

thanks

jf's video was pretty poor though better look straight from sources, he misses out so much history and thinks just because they have darker skin they are somehow mixed race

I know that some genetic diversity is good for the child, but too much is bad. As a white from belgium (french side), how can I know the ethnicity of my perfect mate so as to get the best genetics for my children

You guys are seeking the expansions of the Aurignac and later Cro Magnon races. They are also known as the "Yamnaya" and originated in the now flooded northern Black sea plain.

I can't find the graphic/study that would aid my explanation, but google something like "Yamnaya paleogenetics" and you should get an idea of what I'm talking about.

His explanation is correct, if you are so inaccurate as to call anyone descended from the ur-Whites 8000 years ago "White", then Arabs are White.

It's a question of bifurcation and where we draw the line, as the video you posted elucidates.

JF's explanation is exemplary and brief. He hits everything.

>thinks just because they have darker skin they are somehow mixed race

...yeah that's pretty much exactly how it works

>But the majority of modern Greeks truly WUZ ancient Greeks, though fewer than the Greeks themselves would like to admit.

i don't have the studies on hand but many reputable studies show that the genetic makeup in modern greeks ties to ancient years

like its kinda of a meme here on pol that if an area got conquered it must mean everyone in that area got raped and replaced

yes, rape happened but im pretty sure it mostly occured within west turkey/the islands

>Blue eyed people came from Iran to europe 8000 years ago
old news, the oldest blue eyed sample is from 14k years ago in a WHG, so that old theory is most likely wrong

look for a White third cousin of yours

Other than that, just marry someone from where your parents are from. You are a Walloon and that makes you distinct from the Germans in the area, so stick to the garlic.

The chart I posted above literally shows that modern Greeks are basically niggers. The Ancient Greek is dead.

The problem with the argument is that its just climbing the cladistic ladder and asserting that "well because you split from X so many years ago, you're basically the same as X". It's just another shitty version of "we are all African".

modern Greeks are not the same as Myceneans Greeks, but the thing is, the main reason according to that study is that on top of Mycenean ancestry they have more steppe ancestry from Europe
it could be from historical iron age Greeks like Dorians perhaps, if it isn't from Slavs

"Meme tier race science"? Then what exactly are geneticistss studying? In your PCA for example? XD

>The chart I posted above literally shows that modern Greeks are basically niggers. The Ancient Greek is dead.
the chart you posted is outdated, you should actually look at the Minoans and Myceneans published a year ago

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>greeks not in line with other europeans
>therefore niggers

am i not reading the chart correctly? just because they're on a different line doesn't mean they're niggers lol?

Like I said, the majority of modern Greeks descend from ancient Greeks. The rape thing is a meme. Let's say that the Ottomans conquered those areas with an army of 100.000. Even if each and every of those soldiers raped a separate girl (which is not true, most war rapes are usually gangbangs), you usually don't get pregnant from a one time sexual intercourse. Plus a part of the bastard that came out from these 'unions' were killed at birth from the family of the girl. Plus the survivors would have married locals and eventually been genetically assimilated. So the rape thing is a meme.

NIET met de Walen poepen

Dumb fuck. He isn't analysing "Skin colour". Watch the video. XD

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And what about a flemish qt ? Are we different genetically ?

amren.com/ar/2009/02/

ironbarkresources.com/defendingfreespeech/dfs05racescience.htm

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Haplogroups basically tell you your ancestry in a strict paternal line. As in your father, father's father, father's father's father and so on could be European, the rest could be chinks, a pure study on your haplogroup would show you to be European.

youtube.com/watch?v=AabWNnVbXUU

I was in Greece last year. Most of the Arabs in my uni look whiter than them.

HDI vs Skin Pigmentation map, they use all kinds of wacky colors for these charts. To make this I had to find suitable graphs and then grayscale and invert, so its too dark, but it gets the point across.

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Gotta love how we are always white for this charts.

Y Haplogroups (and mtDNA Haplogroups) are simply too inaccurate for our purposes here. Moroccans and Greeks aren't anything alike.

>Then what exactly are geneticistss studying?

Depends on what you're asking. At first, we were simply discovering gene/allele/SNP frequencies that differ among the races. We pointed them out. Now we are moving into the next phage of genetics research which involves figuring out what these genes actually do by doing GWAS. Right now we are scientifically proving that races are genetic and have genetically associated traits from which a given race cannot be separated.

Some geneticists just look for correlations, others (usually molecular biologists rather than geneticists) are involved in figuring out how the ATCG code turns into a phenotype.

sauce me on the chart you just posted

they basically are niggers lol

> Are we different genetically ?

Yes, and there is no harm in having a French/German hybrid. The optimum genetic breeding distance is 3rd cousin level, a given unrelated member of your race is roughly 6-7th cousin from you anyway. 3rd cousin level breeding is somewhat minmaxing and spreadsheet crafting tier like on Eve Online or World of Warcraft, so don't worry about it too much.

Skin color vs IQ map is superior to this one. IQ is a better proxy for a race's economic potential than HDI, as HDI is a post-hoc measure while IQ is responsible for economic success.

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Who are the Iraqi Kurds? Are they arab?

>race is decided by skin colour solely
Huffington Post is that way.

>sauce me on the chart you just posted
nature.com/articles/nature23310
put the link in sci-hub if you want to access the full one

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Ok,, now try answering the question I asked. In all the presentetd infographics and PCAs what is it that is being studied and then presented?

Mom has brown hair blue eyes and dad has brown hair brown eyes. Sister was born with brown hair brown eyes. What are the odds of me having blond hair blue eyes?

fuck dude, that is some cutting edge shit. My last foray into paleogenetics was over a year ago, hadn't thought that the field was going this fast.

Thanks

Damn, thanks user. Will report as soon as the kids are out !

I completely disagree, HDI covers far more areas in evaluating the overall potential and quality of life of a people. IQ is an arbitrary limited evaluation of merely intelligence

PCAs are made on autosomal SNP data i.e from non sexual chromosomes

See

1. Are you AH ? 2. What is the % of European DNA in ashkenazi jews ?

I don't know how to read this gay science shit, so answer me this simple question:

Are Arabs white, Y/N?

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needless to say it's not "meme science" at all, they are just used differently and one must be careful to look at subclades

t. kike
You Ashkenazis are still less whiter than them

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I'm half Bulgarian. Are we Turks or not?

Of course morrocans and greeks aren't anything alike, they have different haplogroups. They share SOME, and differ in SOME. It isn't that complicated. XD

Give me another word for gene/allele/SNP.

Can any Sci fags explain to me if its possible to plot someones own DNA on one of these charts? Can I take my 23andme data and see where I show up?

Brainlet here pls no bully.

You will like this then if you have not yet read about it:

biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/31/292581

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technically obviously you can, the underlying PCA is based on publicly available datasets and you could in principle run it on your own pc

obviously though if you want the easy way I am pretty sure GEDMatch or something like that offers something alike, although I never checked myself
23&me should allow you to download your raw SNP data I think and use it however you please

What race are Somalians Ethiopians? Are they negroids?

Yeah I have used Gedmatch. What exactly is PCA and what does it mean? Or could you refer to me a place which explains it?

If you're White and she's White and under 25, they should be healthy and strong kids. The French and Germans aren't all that different.

>HDI covers far more areas in evaluating the overall potential and quality of life of a people.

I think you've misunderstood what the HDI is. It does not measure potential, it is an entirely post-hoc measure.

>IQ is an arbitrary limited evaluation of merely intelligence

The HDI has an economic and education element in it iirc, and IQ has a very high predictive validity in those two domains, so IQ is a better statistic to bet on.

>what is it that is being studied and then presented?

They take a few hundred or thousand people's genome, sort out autosomal (non-sex chromosome) "markers" (locations on the genome known to have a high variability), and then tell a computer algorithm to maximize for distance to all other individual's markers. It compacts data that literally has 500 000 dimensions into a 2D graph, and the result is that the genetic markers cluster according to self-reported race with >99% accuracy.

It is proof that genes vary by race just like phenotypes vary by race. Phenotypes come from genotypes, ergo race is genetic and real.

No, they aren't.

>another word for gene/allele/SNP
genetic marker

>Can I take my 23andme data and see where I show up?

When 23andme spits out that chart of how many % you are of what, it is basically comparing you to these clusters and telling you what the distances are in human-readable terms. I don't think you could get yourself mapped on one of these charts unless you're asked to participate in a genomics study and the DNA testing companies don't let you map yourself yet. The higher your % of something, the more you belong to that group (the less distant you are from that cluster).

Heil!

Also thanks for the link.

Ancestry gives you the full readout iirc.

Still waiting for my lab to run some ChIP-Seq so I can sneak my sample in somehow ... damnit, I missed that chance a few years ago with those monocytes from patient samples!

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Majority of Israelis are not Ashkenazi so why did you automatically assume he is one?
They are negroids mixed with Arabs, Somalis look lighter than niggers in general

Were the Anatolians white before the ottomans fucked it up.

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PCA = Principal Component Analysis, it's a very broad statistical technique used in all sorts of fields
I have never used GEDmatch myself or similar services so I can't help you in detail, I thought they offered something similar

What factors comprise the 2 principal components?

I wonder do you and him work in the same place.

>What exactly is PCA and what does it mean?

A Principal Component Analysis is a statistical method that takes n-dimensional data and tries to map it on a 2 dimensional plane.

The algorithm identifies whatever the two most prominent axes are and maps the data points accordingly. These axes are arbitrary and there is no point in knowing them.

>Or could you refer to me a place which explains it?

wikijew actually does a good job of it

Depends on what you define as an Anatolian.

We don't know and don't need to know.

I'd like to see a list of all genes which have been identified and affect intelligence.

>Depends on what you define as an Anatolian.
The people who lived in the Anatolian peninsula before the ottoman conquest, obviously. What more do you want?

Do you understand the question, or are you in such a rush to appear clever that you just respond without actually knowing just what the fuck it is you are talking about? XD

Ok sógor, I have one.
These are my Archaic Matches. I don't understand why only this much. These are on 2cM, on 3cM I don't score any. Why's that?

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pic related should help you
I'd clearly say no

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Alright, I'll simplify it for you. Is haplogroup not another word for "genetic marker"? Yes or no?

>Kurd
Do you have any knowledge on Kurds at all ? Because i can't seem to find much info.

We don't need to know? XD

I'm part Jewish. When will I start feeling the urge to undermine my host country?

Think of it this way, your genome consists of thousands of genetic markers, and your haplogroup is merely one single genetic marker that only persists because the Y-chromosome can't recombinate.

Can we cure niggers with technology like CRISPR?

PCA my man, brings back memories of linear algebra.

Are there any charts of this for mexico or brazil?
and how they match up with whites?

>What more do you want?

A handful of races have lived as a majority in Asia Minor over the last 10 000 years. It goes without saying that I need to be picky.

>Is haplogroup not another word for "genetic marker"? Yes or no?

Of course not. The "Y-Haplogroup" refers to the structure of your entire Y chromosome. Taking the entire chromosome to be a genetic marker is wrong. The Y Chromosome is filled with genetic markers however, and it is through mutations of these that we can track changes in the Y Chromosome over time and throughout splitting populations. It's how we can construct a cladogram.

To the human mind the PCA axes are gibberish.

No and there is no incentive to do so.

Tbh I enjoyed teaching myself math way more than what I experienced in math class. 40 year old single moms just simply aren't good at explaining this shit.

>Are there any charts of this for mexico or brazil?

You are in luck, Mexico was SNP PCA'd a few weeks ago and pic rel is cutting edge shit.

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Hey frat
Is this accurate as fact ? I would say thst modern science correlates with it

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Im already aware of how to think of it because I'm already aware of what it is. Are you too trying to tell me that haplogroups and their subclades are meme tier race science?

yup, mainland Greeks seem to be somewhat to the "genetic east" so to speak of Tuscans/central Italians

Why are you so fixated on the 200 gene Y chromosome?

We have way higher resolution data.

So you are saying that R1b is not a genetic marker? XD

Did the germanic tribe originate from the isolation of southern scandinavia hunter&gatherers as i've seen elsewhere? If not. Where did germanics start and how did the spread look

Genetic variation does not equal race becuase there is genetic variation even amoung the Europeans and the Russians yes the Russians

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