I wish I was religious, but I can't feel anything and I can't see sense in any of it, I can't see any "light of God"

The final redpill is that we're not "in" our bodies. Our minds are being "streamed" to us, and the brain is like a wireless transceiver. Everything you know and feel is stored in the "cloud" (the Eternity).

I know how you feel, huenon. I really wish I could believe. I feel like I would have such a bigger community, so much more to learn and offer and grow, but I can't.
I just don't have faith. I don't believe that the things in the Bible (or any holy text) happen the way they are describes, if they even happened at all. I wish I knew the truth. I wish I knew exactly what happened. I just don't believe.

(p.s. God is the "administrator" of the "cloud")

If you're white you're looking in the wrong place. Christianity is for desert people.

Satan made Judas betray Jesus, then Satan creates Islam for World domination. God is watching. Repents to Jesus for he is the path of love.

Further expanding on this, God is more of a philosophical concept, rather than something physical that you will meet one day, dead or alive to judge you and throw you into a valley of brimstone;
Ergo, He is what you want him to be.

To be frank with you, with so many interpretations of God, you'd have to be blind to miss the fact that He is personal, not shared - as each sees him in his own way, regardless of dogma.

I think it's a good thing to fear God, as that somehow as per my view is proof of your own subconscious morality .

I suggest reading the Gospels and C.S. Lewis. Here's a good channel I found youtu.be/tw9biRRv_bM

>I can't feel anything and I can't see sense in any of it
You know how when you're troubleshooting and they ask if you checked if the appliance was plugged in?
Have you tried praying and repenting of your sins?

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Reflect on the concept of time deeply and personally. Look at the roman ophichius constellation and delve into stellarium to see the show of easter as the constellation born in december/january rises up and passes over the apex again in spring as the veil is lifted for night. Split into two and cast into lots by the romans who knew not what they were doing as sins against time at the time of crucifixion. Avoid the psychics and pagan rooted zodiac fortunetellers but find truth to the light. Its a season keeping book with rules for harvest and self sufficiency. Like a boy scout handbook for the philosophical internal realm of outer space heavens and constellatory signs sealing the mysteries of God beyond the blue veil. To gaze beyond at what is unseen but made visible by faith and then learn how the gregorian judaic system fluctuates like a grandfather clock pendulum throughout unfinite tume spans by reducing the rounding error beyond the thousands place. Math is key to understanding the way of heavens creator and his only begotten son. Jesus is LORD and king of kings. also set your location in stellarium to rome, jerusalem, or cairo. Trinity and central to understanding the old testament origins. Walking on water, as above so below. Brazil is beneath the equator so you must align your eyes with a foreign perspective of the stars that is different from your night skies.

Jesus came in the flesh. God walked this earth.

Ignore these hylic Yaldabaoth worshippers. God is in the Palla, a higher dimension beyond this one. You need at rise at least 14 meditation levels and consume LSD before you can transcend the barrier created by the archons.

same.

Totally agree. I like to think about it as the concept of absolute morality that exists beyond the opinions of your peers.

G-d is the understanding that some concepts; like truth, justice, and righteous action, are not subject to change. It's the antithesis of this neo-Marxist nihilism of today's society in the west. Morality doesn't shift and change, right and wrong are always right and wrong, and we call this source of this truth by many names, with G-d being the term of the west.

It is imperative that you cultivate devotion to the Virgin Mary user, She is very very real and always comes to the assistance of those who turn to Her, learn to pray the Hail Mary and then the Rosary, these prayers to Her are unbelievably powerful, as far as feeling anything goes don't get to wrapped up in that, God gives us sensible spiritual consolations sometimes but He also withdraws them sometimes to test our faith, a solid interior faith is what we must develop regardless of how we feel, I have found that having stability and regularity in my life with set daily prayers and other religious/spiritual exercises is a must

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I'll try this, thanks
thanks
thanks, I'll sure watch it
yes, yet I could feel nothing in it
thanks
I wish you the best, anons

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Maybe he did maybe he didn't, either way, you weren't there to witness his work or words, so everything is subjective to a degree. Aka if you choose to believe that the son of God walked the earth, by all means - do!
If you need that story in order to believe in God, do whatever works for you.

Precisely.
I am very happy with my perception of God, and the fact that i CHOOSE to go to church is because of my own personal beliefs.
As long as I get solace out of it and inner peace, the ultimate purpose of God is fulfilled.

Other than that, it's just an amalgam of my own subconscious morality, and when I feel like I offend God, it's nothing else than my inner self being self conscious about my actions. It's what I personally believe as "bad", and I don't need a priest, imam, rabbi or whatnot telling me what I SHOULD believe.

Take it at face value, i don't claim to be right; I'm just sharing my perspective.
For all it's worth i might end up in brimstone and fire, haha.. But I do believe that in this world you are morally obligated to find your own path, own morals, and live it the best and most righteous way you can (From your own perspective).

Furthermore I identify as Orthodox by traditions, which doesn't mean I have to give out plates of food 40 days after somebody close died because the church daddy said i'll go to hell if i don't.

Maybe your problem is that you disagree with the Church, not with the concept itself.
Rarely did I meet anyone who was adverse to the concept of God and Spirituality. just edgy atheists

I guess the universe really did come from nothing because you don't currently feel anything.

Thanx OP!

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OP, I am living proof that if you seek out Jesus Christ in earnest you will find Him. From that point on you will be a part of His flock and He will go to any lengths necessary to protect you as any good Shepard would. From that point on, if it is truth and discernment that you desire all you need to do is ask. It will be provided as the Father's Will sees fit. That said, I would avoid organized religion if possible.. especially Catholicism. They pray to Mary which is extremely blasphemous. Protestants are better but even they often get mired in the wrong details. Reading the Word of God in the correct context will help more than anything. However, fellowship can also be helpful. Infinity Chan has an entire board dedicated to Christianity that you can visit, and starting/attending a house church can also be quite helpful. Just be sure that what's being taught is in line with what is in the Bible. All too often Christians with their heart in the right place can unintentionally become involved in a cult. Beware of obvious signs such as membership fees and secret doctrines or hidden truths they claim to have but cannot yet reveal to a novice. Jesus Christ already paid your membership fee on the cross and the Gospel is meant for all to hear. I'm going to be praying for you. God loves you and I love you too.

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There is no god, religion is just something that's generally useful for the ideology so it's encouraged here. If you actually believe in it you're fucking retarded.

The power of delusion is strong in this thread

>I guess the universe really did come from nothing because you don't currently feel anything.
the fact that we don't understand where the universe came from, due to scientific limitations doesn't mean it doesn't have an explanation. Don't be retarded.
We can't explain a shitload of things on our own planet, which doesn't mean they just magically happen.

In days of old man was connected with God, now you need a psychoactive substance to find him again.

>now you need a psychoactive substance to find him again.
Never found God in drugs, mate.
That's psychologically your mind acting up. Ever been on an LSD trip? Objective reality remains the same regardless of your perception over it when sound has color.

Stop playing video games.

People don't even realize they're satanic
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yeah mate, all games are satanic. let's all repent and stop having fun because some dumbshit developer made some niche game with a dragon that has 7 heads and 7 crowns.

shit, you have more symbolism watching 5 hours of TV than playing 3/4 games on the market

This is literally all you niggers are capable of when religion is in question. I see the value of religion for a society and accept that it's basically necessary, but you have to be a complete goddamn retard to buy into it yourself.

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did i say that I don't believe in God? your argument is just overwhelmingly stupid

I would suggest reading Mere Christianity by CS Lewis

Everything you say about TV is true and same for pretty much everything in modern society.

I fully believe it's impossible to make a corporate logo without demonic influence creeping in .

The noise and cacophony of today does a good job of cutting us off from the celestial. It wasn't like this 60 years ago. Truth and beauty have been forced out of common culture. It's still there, of course. But you need to both "unplug yourself" to find truth and beauty, while simultaneously studying and seeking knowledge. The two must come together. Never stop learning, and the heavens will shine upon you.

God is within. When you ask the questions, learn to hear the answers.

Fuck Christianity. Read the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Tibetan Buddhism is one of the faiths closest to the Truth (if not THE closest). God is Love, Light and endless possibility. Believe in God and God will illuminate your life in any aspect you wish. Fear and anger and counter-God, and are illusory aspects of the perfect whole of Being. You create your reality, my friend. Will you choose to stay trapped in the wheel of reincarnation? Or will you climb out of your suffering victorious and leave the cycle? The choice is yours

I literally just said religion is necessary in society. It's also not real. It can be both.

I went to Bucharest Spotlight festival over the weekend which is some dumbshit parade in the old town where they put up some light shows.
From genderless faces through to figures in cloaks, triangles and creepy eyes. Welcome to the 21'th century.

The problem is, a lot of people are impressionable and see those things as "COOL" and "FRESH" and adopt them as being part of pop-culture and thus perpetuate them further to their peers

>I wish I was religious, but I can't feel anything and I can't see sense in any of it, I can't see any "light of God".
OP
even those of us who believe and know god is real, struggle in these times with our faith, and feel disconnected
even us
for the atheist, it is probably next to impossible to find real faith today.
watch videos of atheists on yt who have seen hell or something that may leave an impression on you

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Look, I agree that certain drugs make you see the world for something that is not accessible anymore. BUT keep in mind it's just an illusion

I believe the key is finding your inner happiness and observing life for the wonders it has
i may come off as a tree huger over this, but i still find amazing beauty in both nature and people whenever i actually pay attention to it, without the use of drugs. Albeit on them, I am more likely to "stop and admire" but the beauty was always there

Look just practice the only teacher Jesus actually taught. Don't wait for anybody to do shit for you not the church not the government nobody.If you want something get it your self that's as far as jesus goes the rest is bs to get your money.

Wait

Exactly how many Light festivals happened this weekend

There was one where I live in the US with the proceeds donated to refugees

Surely it's pure ((((coincidence))) all these luciferian festivals happen the weekend of Friday the 13th, which is important to the masons

Do you have an argument from your own head, or is everything you believe saved to a folder on your computer?

Religion is necessary in polite society, without it we're barbarians. I accept that, because I'm a realist. Being a realist means accepting that sometimes, placating the masses with higher meaning for the net benefit of society is more important than factual truth. You're welcome to be one of the people holding society from the ground up by drinking the kool-aid, we need people like you. But society also needs people who see the truth at the helm of it.

Very possible, I didn't look much into dates and whatnot, but yeah - it did start Friday the 13'th.. thankfully no gibs for refugees, just our own corrupt politicians, lol. as long as they get their money, they're willing to push any sort of shit onto the public and call it "art"

Bellagio Sampler's newest video about the strike in Syria and what it means for the SPIRITUAL WAR we are all a part of. ...
>the divide between good and evil is widening
The "middle class" of good vs evil is disappearing and people are choosing either GOOD OR EVIL
>and not between
The leaks are coming, WE all know THEIR evil deeds and GOD has chosen YOU to deliver this message to fellow mankind
>the message is I AM is coming to destroy the VILE PEOPLE!!! make sure you are not one of them!!!!
>clean your room!!!
Clean your minds and join The King who is returning for his creation!!!!!

Kept ya waiting huh?

youtu.be/3UW-EXS0eZE

If you've completely lost God, it's likely the only way to find It again. However, these substances should not replace one's own spiritual journeying. Use them sparingly. Mushrooms teach people things the hard way. Even if you want to find God on mushrooms, they'll definitely let you know if you're trying too hard through drug use.
Try shrooms. LSD is an incredibly strange and alien experience

youtu.be/c5WZTHO6beo
youtu.be/s-fwiCVfyxo
youtu.be/h_Z9I3iDExE

>placating the masses with higher meaning for the net benefit of society is more important than factual truth
it is rather that society is placated with the idea that there is no higher meaning, and no world above and beyond ours
The irony in here is the same as in the opiate accusation from Marx: the culpable party accuses the innocent party, of having done what it has done

>Try shrooms
I did, Goldcaps and some other ones i can't recall the name of... I still think they just make you see things from a different perspective which is an objective illusion but nevertheless a fun way to pass rainy days.

Fuck, i actually had a more """spiritual""" outcome on 2-CB, but it was because the topic came up rather than the actual substance "opening doors"

You have to set your intention before any psychedelic trip, otherwise it'll likely just be happy-time vs. a learning time. Meditate on a thought or question, take the drug, and the answer will be shown. If the answer is thought, it likely came from yourself. If the answer is felt, the answer is true.

you need not find god.
Any god that may exist will smile if you serve something other than yourself.

There is no factual basis for believing that there is any world above our own, but the world I live in right now is important enough to me that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to create the best world for myself and my descendants.

The full Marx quote isn't even critical of religion the way it seems to be when taken out of context, it's in favor of it. Christianity is commie bile when taken literally anyway, it's a tool we must use to shape the future favorably and not the literal basis of our beliefs. Organized religion in the 21st century is all wrapped up in the grip of the Jews, spirituality is something else entirely.

How do you expect people not to just reply with pictures of fedora tippers when that's all your posts encompass? The implications of naturalism are so fallacious that God exists out of necessity alone.

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>and the answer will be shown. If the answer is thought, it likely came from yourself. If the answer is felt, the answer is true.
We agree on this much :)
God comes from within, not from an external source, and if you or me or anyone else needs psychedelics in order to find him or figure that out, i'm cool with that
What i'm saying is, if you search deep enough you'll find the same answers fully awake :)

You don't need to have faith to be a Christian. Most of it is just about how to live a good life. It's a set of rules and morals that complement whatever evolution has already built in us. In fact, Christianity itself has evolved through Judaism and paganism.

There's always two aspects to a religion. One is the literal one, which appeals to those who wish to believe. One is the metaphorical one, which appeals to those without faith. You can get to the same morals and conclusions in Christianity whichever way you choose.

The most important thing to do is to secure the existence of your people. Christian nations have survived through much, so it has proven to be a valuable tool in that regard. Just be a Christian the way you can, and remember to ignore the faggots warning you of hellfire if you don't truly believe, and also ignore the faggots who demean and degrade Christianity or those who truly believe.

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Oh, I think we have a misunderstanding. I 100% agree with you, drugs don't offer a path to meaning, enlightenment, happiness, whatever.

I tagged you in my last post because I liked your response and was (again) piggybacking off your comment.

10 points for Finland

This is pretentious but ill try to help.

You might try to separate spirituality and religion.

Religion is the re-linking of ideas and objects and symbols and people in history and culture, and often in allegory or metaphor.

Spirituality can be a feeling of common humanity, kinship, deep personal meaning or participation in social forces, social structures,
or movements.

Religion can be complicated, symbolic, metaphoric, and argued about as TRUE or UNTRUE.

Spirituality is more often a personal and/or communal endeavor to have meaning, give meaning, participate in, or even NOT participate (quietism) in the world. (or even small and trivial aspects of life)

It is often observed that all of the Religions have the same spiritual aspect within them while...

many arguments are had about the differences between religions and the possible reality or lack of reality in religious practice or religious leaders/history and so forth.

The strange part is that spirituality, which is the deep meaning of religion, is very simple and in some senses is held in common by everyone.

much love
have a few orthodox fighter jets

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You should search for wisdom, not pyrotechnics.
Read up on the related things. Read the New Testament, save the OT for later after you have some more understanding of things.
Read some related things, related authors, all the while asking God and the Holy Spirit for guidance in your studies. I know, you don't feel anything, and frankly, the kind of "feeling" you're looking for doesn't happen to most people, even those who believe, but do it anyways. Even if you think you're just talking to yourself and roleplaying in your head.
Don't worry too much about denominations and whatnot, this is only going to matter once you feel like you're sincerely believing.

If your search is sincere, assistance will come. Keep an open mind, and even more open eyes to the circumstances and events around you.
Faith is a lamp in the darkness.

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I love you Lord...Thank you for always showing up right when I need you most. God Bless you brothers keep up the great work

"God", sure. Any sane person can get behind that on some level. The Christian god as described in the bible, you literally have to be larping.

Welp. I'm muslim and i'm sorry to tell you there isn't much you could do. You could try believing in god, but believing in a god you dont believe in it's existence is backwards; it doesnt make sense. Try to read religious texts in order to renew your belief in god. Personally, I believe in islam the most since it's text wasn't edited. Also, athiests and people of pol, please understand that there isn't concrete evidence of god existing nor will there ever be. Believing is believing and if someone wants to start an entire argument about religion, then come try me. DoomHam#5304. Also, im not gonna reply to every single on as i'm a quiet busy person.

>I can't see sense in any of it,
Both Faith and Hope make no sense either,why do you hope for the better even though you know you will fail and in the end you will die and be forgotten?
That's what faith and hope is,don't try to make sense of it,sometimes life itself makes no sense, so believing in something make more sense than anything else.

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can you be more nihilistic?

Thanks RomaniaSage! I've always wanted a St. George airplane

this exactly. You dont need to follow all rules or listen to cucks. following the morals is great. not enough for most religions, but is pretty much the most you can squeeze out of a religion if you're a non-believer.

>ITT
>followers of the curse diety convince people he is "good"
Read their "holy" texts very carefully and consider if you want to do anything with those people and spirits and dieties.

deity*

you are very well reasoned, thank you
>168262988(you)
did you even read my posts?
here in Brazil, apart from the more traditional religions, having a church practically became a business, it's disgusting
I didn't want to follow the organized religions for that reason, thanks, now I see I'm in the right direction
religious people seem so happier, their lives so better
also, the universe fits too well, all the rules all the laws, the equations of mathematics and physics, really makes me wonder if there is actually no God behind this work
added to my read list, thanks
I agree, what I want is to learn how to hear them, but I guess the path is within us as well
Why so aggressive? I want to study non-christian religions as well, so I might read it
I will
I want try drugs sometime, but I'm hesitant to call them a way to find God
experience will tell
why should I follow something I don't truly believe in?
thanks

As long as you're at deism the leap to Christianity is nothing. History, fulfilled prophecy, personal experience get billions of people there.

At the end of the day, we decide our thoughts and beliefs for ourselves. And whatever beliefs we adopt will manifest into our daily lives.

You adopt beliefs of despair and emptiness, and wonder why you feel empty and desperate. RomaniaSage has adopted beliefs of has adopted beliefs of truth, beauty, and the never ending struggle to uphold these ideals.

I can only imagine seeing such a person from your position is repulsive. Because he leads a happier, warmer, more fulfilling life with a much greater chance of leaving behind a positive legacy than someone in your position.

Find your place in the universe, and tend to your garden.

I like Christianity on the conceptual level and I see the good it does for society completely; I just personally believe it is not true or based in reality. Christians are my brothers and their values are my own.

>I agree, what I want is to learn how to hear them, but I guess the path is within us as well

the path is within in the sense that the answers will come from yourself and your subjective perception over what you hear anyway.
so unless you're blindly following literally every dogma, i think it will come to you with time and context.
It's good that you're searching for answers tho.

>here in Brazil, apart from the more traditional religions, having a church practically became a business, it's disgusting
Our patriarch looks like a level 90 warlock who was lesser priests open his Mercedes door.. he's a mockery, but that doesn't invalidate spirituality. It's just a jackass abusing power, nothing else.

>I want try drugs sometime, but I'm hesitant to call them a way to find God
experience will tell
Eaaah, i'd be careful with that :) as long as you're doing stuff that you can handle, it's fine.. just don't spiral down because that's pretty easy to do

I wish the best upon you brazilbro :) find your own way

>the good it does for society
I see the evil every abarahamic does villingly or out of ignorance. I see the dead spitits and gods lying at the feet of the slaves. I see a lot of things. Fortunately atheits put a huge dent in the misery of the world.
You can remain an atheist. Please pray to no curse god.

did war with russia make you lose faith in God or what?
bants aside, abrahamic religions have good basic principles, as long as everyone ad-hers to them...
this guy has a very good point

I have my grief too, don't get me wrong... i just don't choose to live by grief because it's not productive and leads to more misery and sadness..

there's a saying over here that goes longer the lines of "Bad thoughts attract bad things", which I find to be true, in a way...

>here in Brazil, apart from the more traditional religions, having a church practically became a business, it's disgusting
>I didn't want to follow the organized religions for that reason, thanks, now I see I'm in the right direction
Igrejas no Brasil são completamente politizadas e instrumentalizadas. Isso inclui a representação Católica que tem por aqui.
Talvez se salvem só os Ortodoxos daqui, mas nunca fui, então não conheço.
Mas a fé é algo individual, esqueça as pessoas.
"O meu reino não é deste mundo."

João 18:36

You see, the Sun (the "image" of God) rises in the East. It only sets in the West. Which could be viewed as true knowledge beginning in the Eastern perspective of deity which is less vulnerable to the apparent contradictions that the current world projects onto divinity.

"We've been told by many of the world's religions [mainly Western] that we are not one with God. So we were born with a natural fear of life, because we stepped into life feeling that we are all alone, and apart and separated from the God who created us. That is a mistake. That is an error. That is a misunderstanding. That is an illusion, the illusion of separation." - Neale Donald Walsch

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>I can only imagine seeing such a person from your position is repulsive. Because he leads a happier, warmer, more fulfilling life with a much greater chance of leaving behind a positive legacy than someone in your position.
Why would i find a person who has a warmer and happier life repulsive?

I only answerd OP's question,he wanted to know why he can't see sense in religion i only told him what i thought?
Sometimes life itself make no sense at all, so believing in something higher, make more sense than anything else.

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You shills can't even leave religion alone. Evil motherfuckers.

You get it

>Sometimes life itself make no sense at all, so believing in something higher, make more sense than anything else.
Life makes the sense you give it, albaniabro.. it's not a videogame with defined objectives...All the objectives you have are either set by society or by yourself. The later being preferable

I see your view as being a tad nihilistic, but i do encourage you to try and see things from a different perspective from time to time, and whenever you feel like you're in a rut, set small and achievable objectives for yourself and you'll see that you will feel objectively better when you manage to accomplish them

This.
OP, seek and you should find. Go visit your local Orthodox Christianity church. Greek ones are most welcoming ones. Russian, they are more strict

absolutely heretical
this is how religion is killed by those within: downplaying the dogmas and laws to silly folks how are about living a good life.
sure buddy. Just a good life.

imbeciles and assholes

>having a church practically became a business
what I meant is that prients are businessmen seeking profit over their followers
awesome pic
I don't seek pyrotechnics, but I agree that I might be overestimating that I want to find
also, thanks
I want to read the Quran as well, even if only to see how it is like
cold, but I see your point, yet I think that there might be something else than the coldness of this universe

Of course. I don't want to pretend that you're some beacon of happiness and fulfillment - I think we really are on the same page.

Consider, that you and I believe that our burdens and griefs are our burdens to bear through life. We know we have to carry it - but Albaniabro is in danger of being swallowed whole by the burdens he carries.

huh?
so, i take it you believe everything the church tells you without a second thought?
i shouldn't even be replying to you in the first place, but it's amazing to me that you call ME evil for my comments

You are asking for help. So you will receive it. Stay for a few days disconnected.

How do you rise a meditation level? Do you get a notification when you've reached it? Do you hear a loud booming voice? Does it say "LEVELED UP!"