Vanguardism General

I really don't think we should be even mentioning meetups and living together at such an early point, it just scares people away. IRL communities would be the ultimate goal and would probably need a lot of time to organise and form. Let's first start by introducing the idea of a network where like minded anons from same areas can get to know each other and then work from there. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Bump.

My main goal is to build a small community in my area, whether through Jow Forums or otherwise. I hope to get mostly pudgey white cuck boys, and turn them into good men.
We will be doing:
>lifting
>reading clubs
>volunteer work
>mock debates/political discussions
I encourage you all to try something similar in your communities.

Bump

Op is cleaner and simpler now, i kinda like it even though it lacks content which was nice too

from previous posts
>>What is Vanguardism?
>If you’re still holding out for a leader, or a happening, or something that’ll take the burden of saving our nations off your own shoulders, then this is general is a must-read.
>There is a time coming when the damage done to western civilisation will mean that it can’t hold the weight of it’s world burdens anymore, and it will collapse. And make no mistake, this time is coming soon.
>So, should we just assume that people will see the light? That when the social order finally collapses, they’ll see what a fraud it was and the damage that a fractured society is doing and flock to us?
>No.
>Because there is no “us” at the moment. We are isolated, We have no presence outside of the internet, no grounding in our communities except as individuals keeping their opinions to themselves. And while we may be swaying public opinion, if people are still afraid to say it out loud NOW, that’s not going to help us when our enemies don’t even have to pretend to accept our right to speech.
>If we want to be ready when the time comes, then we need to get ready. We have to start turning ourselves into leaders, or at least capable flagbearers. We need to start becoming respected in our communities, rather than unknown shut-ins. Most importantly, we need to start meeting IRL, to combine our efforts in this task and to start building the network.
>We need to become the Vanguard.

Bumping for interest.

how about you stop trying to bring shitty dead ideologies back?

>strong mind, sound body, strong communities
>shitty dead ideology
to what are you referring, leaf?

larp shit like trad ORCker party

Anyone in Patriot Front? I'm gonna interview with them later this week. I just want some fashy goys to lift with and talk to. But I'm an aspie so idk

>helping the less socially gifted among us
Fuck off commie

You're much farther south than me. Good to see an American goy interested though.

Look man, the movement is fresh, so it can easily be misunderstood, the idea is that anons from around the world get to know each other locally, as all these redpills mean nothing if you're 'dead' in the real world, we need ,knowledge, stability, strength and we need to prepare for the future, all those are easier achieved in groups. That's all this movement advocates.

What kind of nationalism? Civnat ethnonat or just anti jewry

Bumping
French civicuck ally reporting in.

So how's pur little club going, made progress?
Also This guy is onto something

Clean up, make an easy inteo definition.

I cab help with a better logo or visual if you want one. It's free nigga, helping out the Self Improvement movement is always a pleasure. Just ask nicely and describe what you want senpai

That sounds pretty gay in all honesty. It's basically a support group for losers that can't into life on their own. I can smell the NEET from here. The absolute state of this board.

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gimme something like this senpai

The idea is to stop white men from being losers that can't into life. Give them a step up. Something blacks wish they could do but the way they try to solve it is screaming for reparations.

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Clearly ethno nationalism, pro white race, white me self improvement.

I know because I was here last time, and Im a civ nat

Also anti jew, but the meme is toxic so to be kept away from these threads.

The whole point is a clean Self improvement movement (for white men) that spreads without a leader, and can't be ideologically attacked.

I think first step for the movement should be to create a permanent resource of sort, forum or wiki for example.

Right now it is only an idea which can surely spark interest, but we need something you can go at all times and share your thoughts and read others'

Secondary goal should be to romanticise the movement. Literature, art, music, etc. Create a proper group identity with culture. Nationalists did it in 17th century and natsocialists did it 1930-. This will really start luring people in as soon as they just see it.

yeah, the goal is to help people. Nobody wants to be neet, yet suprisingly many are.

Welp, I'm out then, civnat but anti jew, bigger and poo, other races will be civilized without jewry imo

It's not really ANY specific kind of ideology like that.
Simply:
>improve yourself
>improve your brothers
>improve your community

No official stance on race, jewery, or civnat

>we need to become the Vagina Guard
vanguard for some cunts to take over? no thanks
>lets gather together
and get doxxed and rekt
its bad enough to show up here
fuck you to death you retarded cunt

You can't be nationalist and pro jew at the same time since the jew constantly seeks to destroy nationalism

We're setting up an alternate way of discussing the ideas, if youre interested we can add you can you in some chat.

You're not understanding.
I myself am somewhere between ethno and civnationalist.
The MOVEMENT does not have any official stance on these issues, it is only about bringing people together to improve their lives and communities.

If anybody is interested in further discussion, please join us on Rizon #vanguardism

has it been running since yesterday?

There is a discord server as well but we have decided to not post it publicly but only to people on IRC for now.

We're not pro jew ffs, this is /pol, we just don't want the movement to be labelled as fascist or as anything really, as it would not be loud public thing with rallies and shit. It would be anons connecting locally, that's it.

Need to bump.
Going to try and make idea
Hold tight

Bump m8.
Godspeed anons.

Join the chat, we'd love to have you in.

Not trying to be labelled fascist but have what looks like an SS symbol? Lel

Fucking hell, that's what we've been arguing with op for the past 2 days, it badly represents the groups intentions, i completely agree.

Is Jewish nationalism allowed?

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>starting new movements
Join your local GI chapter already faggots

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Lots of people on Jow Forums seem to think that GI is controlled opposition. To them every movement except one they found themselves is compromised.

EU Identitarians do not allow people who hold anti semetic views within their ranks.

The Jewish nationalism always ends up as internationalism.

That's nonsense.

Well it's nonsense to be antisemitic. Jews have been living in Europe longer than some European peoples have. Someone isn't the enemy just because they happen to be Jewish, that's nonsense.

What's the point of "compromising" a movement that is not a miltia trying to use force to gain something? What would that achieve?

In many EU countries you can go to jail for such things. And especially in e.g. Germany they are brainwashed so much about jews that even the slightest sign of "anti-semitism" would scare most of them away.
And you don't need to be open about it. Anyone with half a brain eventually understands (((who))) is responsible for the most part

Well in a way European anti-nazi etc. laws are actually a good deterent to nazi LARPers like TWP that only scare people away

Hello Schlomo

Stop replying to the memeflag.

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... and? My point still stands.

Stop replying to the memeflag.
He's only here to sow discord

I have this strange feeling that after the Syria strike there's been a whole legion of kikes and "based pedes" shabbos goyim shilling 24/7

I made a valid point. If you had intellectual integrity you'd address it instead of hiding behind fallacy of my flag being relevant.

>"russian bots have increase 2000%"
>Jow Forums is the same as it always was except more kikes
made me thonk

Why don't you show us your real flag, Mr.Shekelberg?

Dont even give him a (You)
He made no valid points
He just wants to divide the thread between bad and good goyim

I swear I saw a clip in which the head of GI said "Danke Der Fuhrer, Danke". I wouldn't join a far right group anyway because you instantly get put on a government watch list. Just look at the investigation of David Copeland, his name was on so many lists because he joined a bunch of far right groups. David Copeland was intelligent too, he had an IQ of 125 but he obviously wasn't intelligent enough.

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>I made a valid point
>Well it's nonsense to be antisemitic
>Jews have been living in Europe longer than some European peoples have

8/10 because I responded

Aaaaaand there we go...

Just a heads up, falling back on "le flag" due to a lack of an argument is a disturbing trend on nu/pol/ that doesn't hide said lack of argument.

My point stands, like I said. Do you have a counterpoint to it that's actually related to the topic?

bump

Does it ever occur to you that there is a deep rooted and underlying problem with Jews, by the fact that they have been expelled of countless civilisations/counties/governments etc? Does it now occur to you that (((they))) may have ravaged the world through usury, and egotist method of making money out of literally nothing?

As for you me asking for your flag, I'd like to see what country you are from. That is all. Your opinion may be trash but not yet discarded.

i will give you a proper response when you provide sauce for those assertions

STOP.
REPLYING.
TO THE MEMEFLAGGOT.

Fuck off, this isnt a thread where we'll try to oppose '/pol facts'

Remember to have a good diet

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>jews aren't that bad
>1000 replies
easiest derailment of a thread, hats off to the kike.

this.

Sure you did, go make a new thread with your valid points, we have different topics here, i think we all have strong stances on your topics and dont feel like discussing them.

OP here, off the vpn because i'm not in public anymore.
Stop replying to the memeflaggot.

Population expulsions in Europe have not been limited to Jews. Do yourself a favor and read up some on them. You'll find it enlightening.

pic related. Or does Jow Forums not consider Hungarians to be European anymore? How many other post-Jewish arrival European groups would I have to post?

>we're not here for facts
hmm

Someone has to give Vanguardism a bump

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Buddy, this really isn't the place to defend your kike heritage. Nobody cares.
This thread is about building communities and improving your own life and your brother's lives.

From what I've gathered this thread is about larping to be contrarianism against Generation Identity because they won't let you hate the Jews while saving Europe.

Meanwhile I point out Jews have been a part of Europe longer than some European nations. So yes, this is the place. What would an Amerimutt even care?

It's really not supposed to be an indentitarian movement at all. I can understand how you've missed the point, but please stop posting your unrelated garbage.
Also, how do I even know you're not a mutt yourself?

ignore him like the rest of us

seriously stop

Honestly thread is dead just like they always are.

I did it a favour getting debate stirred up, but it's still dead.

Probably should have chosen a non-communist name for your larp movement.

>Meanwhile I point out Jews have been a part of Europe longer than some European nations.

Just like blacks been in the US since almost the beginning but still no American identarian considers them American.
You were in Europe by chance just like some ugly growth can pop-up upon someone's body. Doesn't mean you consider it a proper part of it and don't want it removed given the chance

>Honestly thread is dead just like they always are.
i wonder who killed it

>It's really not supposed to be an indentitarian movement at all.
It's what it sounds like:

>What is Vanguardism?
>Coming together offline to create a grassroots movement for genuine nationalism.

if it's not rooted in your national identities than it reads like civic nationalism, which is retarded.

>not european despite being there thousands of years and contributing to some of its greatest accomplishments
I guess no one is really European by that definition.

It was dead before. I'm practically a plurality of the posts ITT.

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>EU Identitarians do not allow people who hold anti semetic views within their ranks.
How much of a faggot are you?
>Be you, anti-semetic Jow Forums user
>Go to your first GI meetup with a fake alias
>Meet other people like you
>Decide to talk outside the meeting
>Talk about Jews in secret
>Continue to do GI stuff because their actions and strategy still aligns with yours
>When a more suitable group gains traction join them as well

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So does Vanguardism originate with crossposters from Jow Forums?

Are you the same guy who made the thread asking how to organize a facist movement not too long ago? If so I suggested the name British Vanguard so I better get royalties you kike

I don't remember making one *asking* about how to organise, but i have been trying to get people organising for a while now.
Also, technically the royalities are going to Bowden's estate.

That kind of infiltration isn't very honourable, is it?

Neither is being disingenuous in debate but you have no issue with that.

You hold no serious beliefs or convictions, not with your blatant shilling and piss taking of this effort for 'Vanguardism.'

That's a childish deflection.

I had an interest in Vanguardism but it seems to be some pale version of civic nationalism with shortsighted antisemitism thrown in simply because GI doesn't engage in it.

Ok, so youre not interested, now move along.

Your conception of these groups are false. Everyone in these groups are the same as you. You all want your countries back. You all agree to follow some rules that ensure your groups survival. Just because you know things that others might not shouldn't make a difference because its the actions that count. Its not infiltration unless you're a nonwhite from some third world shithole.

Is my assessment wrong?