Communism

Communism gets the labor theory of value wrong, so it's inherently flawed, right from the foundation.

>nazism will work this time it was da joos

That meme is garbage reddit-tier trash

sage

>if I'm not a communist I must be a NatSoc
Durrr

So you're saying it can never be eatablished on its on without rising from a pre-existing political system? That sounds like commies HAVE to rely the failure of a successful political system before becoming actual communists.

For communism to happen, you have to break a system that works for everyone including yourself.

Also, capitalism sucks.

but nazism worked tho
you were just too pussy to give away some port while seizing our entire fucking capital

Its not because stealing is still immoral and a crime even when the government does it. Even when the government does it to a minority that everyone hates because everyone's an envious scumbag sanculotte that would cut the head off anyone that can spend 1 euro more than he can.

Communism is the ideology of crime and of envy, at best, only misery comes from it, for all.

>For communism to happen, you have to break a system
Yes
>that works for everyone including yourself.
It already doesn't work for me

Communism sucks worse.

you have a computer, an internet connection, and you haven't starved to death

it works for you

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But I would want to live in hitlers germany

>It already doesn't work for me
Well yeah, you work for it, just like in communism.

Anywho, how does Capitalism affect you?

You can use mass graves (of communists) to produce saltpeter, which is an ingredient in gunpowder. You can then use that gunpowder to make bullets to shoot communists with. So communism is good for something: killing communists.

>unsustainable public spending and welfare state is a working economy

Because the retards who believe in it want free shit without ever working, and think the magic of communism will provide them with said free shit without having to work.
Then they realize only the members of the party have got that privilege, as the people not only have to work, but don't get shit in exchange. But those retards think they'll be part of the 1%.

Grade A fucking bantz, goddamn

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It just didn't work out for you because you allied with the communists.

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>Explain how communism is good you fucking mutants.

You will understand once you get your "democracy".

>establish communist country
>all assets go to the country
>all the wealth of the country belongs to the 1%
>all the people live in poverty
>all people live as poor as if they'd live on their own in the mountains
>earn more than your peers, get shot
>be innocent, get shot
>someone criticises communism
>put a bullet in the back of their heads
>no more people who criticise the regime
>????
>profit

communism in a nutshell

>Because the retards who believe in it want free shit without ever working

that's dumb.

>you allied with the communists.
are we living in the same timeline?

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but everyone had a job , there were no people who lived only off the welfare

You allied with comrade Stalin against Hitler. Do you remember?

you did at the end of the war

>>all the wealth of the country belongs to the 1%

oh shit. this is where you're wrong kiddo

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its the most effective way to starve out communists.

ensuring everyone contributes and everyone has enough to sustain themselves

THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON IDENTITY POLITICS!
>if it doesn't agree with me it must be a nazi
How you manage to do that on an anonymous image board is beyond me.

We can't, because it's not.

Every single time communism has been implement, the deaths of millions of their own people has ensued. The only criticism you can lay at the feet of fascism is killing their enemies, why isn't obvious that fascism is the better of the two I will never know. I chalk it up to leftist hypocrisy per usual.

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It empowers our Greatest Ally, goy.

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>everyone had a job
>and they worked for free while the rich raked in their earnings
Thats nice

In communism you get free stuff for free, if you don't like your free package you talk to one of the kind officer of the state and they quickly solve your problems by relocating you to a new free house full of other happy guys

and what happens when someone stops contributing because they get what they need to "sustain" themselves no matter what they do

also, jesus fucking christ, is "sustenance" really the ultimate goal? that's the grand utopia? a couple slices of bread and a glass of water a day?

communism is the highest stage and ideal ....

maybe not in our lifetime but AI supercomputers will control our economy for maximum efficency

singularity is near

in soviet union everyone had a job too
no, not really
on the other hand I remember comrade Hitler allying himself with comrade Stalin

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Communism is great, problem is that the people who tried it before, didn't kill quite enough people to make it work. They always stopped a few corpses short of utopia. A damn shame really.

what do you fucking mean they worked for free , they were getting payed , their wages were one of the highest in europe , keep in mind they were climbing out of economical crisis

It's good on paper cuz everyone is equal n shiet. It's fucking horrible in reality because of human nature and the fact that no one is equal.

>a couple slices of bread and a glass of water a day?

millions would kill for that in a developing country.

but they werent getting payed for it ,that is where "you pretend to pay , i pretend to work " comes from

>wages highest in Europe
>GDP lower than any other Capitalist nation
Funny man make a funny joke

Its easy being a communist supporter while living in a first world democracy.

But of course WE are bad because of corrupt politicians and le evil west meme. Of course the third world isnt literal hell on earth and theyre all noble savages and prosperity is bad and if I can eat at a restaurant its because I threw literal bombs at sandniggers somewhere fuck I hate commies so much how I wish they would go to the third world and stay there.

>muh noble savages

>t. living on daddy's money

I'm pretty sure they were getting paid

>communists argument now blood down to "AI will fix everything"
wow

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>The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else.
If you can't justify your economic system without invoking a divine savior, you need to take a break and rethink some things.

Maybe they should plant some seeds and dig a well instead of killing the people that make the bread so they can take it

Boil*

It's good to collapse countries and kill millions. Leftists that support it are suicidal.

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That's what it's always been. Marxism is a religion, and it always relies on an impossible, theoretical godhead. For Marx it was the dictatorship of the proletariat, and now it's automation/AIs.

so, basically slavery to a computer no doubt controlled by jews.
yeah, fuck that.

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Because you like get shit for free man. And there's no racism and sexism man. Like everything is fair and equal man.
What do you mean resources? We just get them somewhere man all is fine I read communist manifesto, man

>nazis argument now boil down to "genocide will fix everything"

The Nominal National Products of the major powers in 1938, in current dollars:
(1) United States: 84.7 billion
(2) Germany: 46.0 billion*
(3) UK: 27.51 billion
(4) USSR: 23.02 billion
(5) France: 16.18 billion
(6) Italy: 8.68 billion
(7) Japan: 7.49 billion

I wanna give the commies everything they want while i bail out of society and become a hermit. They asked for it and they deserve it.

>not having to work so hard

Even in your larp fantasies you sound lazy as fuck. Let me guess, you'll be some kind of political commissar?

it's a figurative form of speech you fucking retard. Commie countries are poor as fuck, all the population depend on each other for survival, forming strong bonds. Meanwhile, those who control the communism in the country, control all the wealth and industry of the country.

>a nazi reaction image means im natsoc
No

It doesn't and only teenagers and liars believe it

maybe it won't but we could at least try, no?

Nazism did work though

and what does the * mean? out-of-context statistics without source aren't arguments

Hate Nazis but you can't deny they transformed Germany into a super power in mere years

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=191325
here you go pole

Oh, also, if that's the case, and you believe it's immoral, why do you own a computer? why are you eating more than your daily bread and water? Surely you could sell your luxuries, and go without such that those poor souls would be fed for another day?

Seriously, if you honestly believe in the noble virtue of equality, why are you perpetuating inequality by keeping more than others have? There's africans to feed, and you're sitting here whining and wasting electricity.

This is also why laissez faire capitalism is an infinitely more moral system than communism. Because in a free market capitalist society, communists have every right to set up their own "perfect" societies/towns and live amongst themselves. The inverse is not true.

the key here is 'so hard', not 'hard'

here is gdp of germany
worldeconomics.com/GrossDomesticProduct/Germany.gdp
compared to french
worldeconomics.com/GrossDomesticProduct/France.gdp

>USSR: 23.02 Billion
And you see nothing wrong with France, a smaller country, producing more per capital?

>1938, some time after holodomor
Theres a lesson in there somewhere. You just have to look for it.

>axishistory

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>Commie countries are poor as fuck

try harder kiddo. you're going to learn some day

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and what happens if the ai doesnt need you and decides to do its own thing?
collapse of human society follows.
there are only two peacefull ways for human societies after superhuman ai has been archieved. first would be that the distinction between man and machiene disappears with cybernetics. the second is isolation, simply because we have little of value to give to super intelligent ai and cant expect to receive anything in return. we would probably be a more modern equivalent of amish in a machine world. we cannot expect an ai that is superior to us, to bow to us and take care of us till the end of time.

Why would they work hard? They get their bread regardless.

A bunch of khazars from untrustworthy slavic backwaters INSIST that they are experts and you are not allowed to like it.

how post happiness index numbers. Ill wait, kike.

be commie stop being become rich

>communism works guys

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vietnam followed chinas example and established a market economy in 1986.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist-oriented_market_economy

Is it really time for another GDP is a meme thread?

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Look at that communism go!

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>And you see nothing wrong with France, a smaller country, producing more per capital?
nigga france gdp is three times lower then kraut's and france and germany's size difference was small so you cant use that as the argument

I hate it when people try to use Vietnam as a "look gommunism works amazingly!" but fail to understand Vietnam had an economic reform some time back and is hardly a "communist" country now.

it has links from where he took those statistics from

Are you forgetting the debt Germany had since WW1?

Come on, "Lithuania". Get your head in the game.

What if the AI decides you can be recycled into some organic matter useful for the society instead of keeping you alive as a human being since you cost more than you earn ?

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It occurred to me recently that in our new era of financial abstraction, where the derivatives

markets demand the use of the word quadrillion to describe, people get wealthy just by moving money

around (not contributing anything tangible to society), and low interest rates allow the already

wealthy to borrow money for nearly free to acquire more capital...

Money itself is now the principal means of production. Not machinery.

So, seizing the means of production in the 21st century isn't about "throwing our bodies on the

gears". It's about control of the money supply, control of creation of the medium of exchange. Right now that's in a very few private hands.

Whether that could be done, and whether it would be good or bad, is another thing. Cryptos appear to be an attempt at this, but of course they are not without their potential downsides.

The only unbiased statistics here are

What if the AI decides to maximize paperclips?

they payed the debt for the banks and they payed some of the war reparations for WW1 and after hitler took power they refused to do it , it makes sense since they werent the ones starting the war

Germany's WW1 debt wasn't fully paid off till 2010.

Don't you read books ever?