Don't get one thing. Okay, more than one thing. Jesus appears in a backwater shithole in the Middle-East. He gets 12 apostrophes, and hikes the countryside for few years before getting crucified.
His religion grows for 300 years after his death until it overtakes the world. So what happens to people who lived before that and up to the point it was official religion? At the moment of the crucifixion, Jesus was a hobo, nobody believed him, and people ridiculed him. And he was known only around Judea.
What about people in other parts of Roman Empire? What did they told them when they died? "Oh I'm sorry, didn't you know there was this dude Jesus in Palestine that got crucified, since you didn't know him, down to hell you go lol." Or did they get an upgrade, so they could upgrade their Roman pagan afterlife to Christian? What was up with that? Seems weird.
It's like there is the son of God in some South African village right now who gets necklaced. I didn't know he was there, neither did you. So we go to hell?
You didn't actually think that any of the world's religions make sense, did you?
Stop questioning. Be a sheep.
Hunter Sullivan
>waa not fair
Robert Gutierrez
>Oh I'm sorry, didn't you know there was this dude Jesus in Palestine that got crucified, since you didn't know him, down to hell you go lol contrary to what some christians believe, those who do not know about Jesus , are not damned to hell was never true will never be true
Isaiah Hernandez
Yes, I don't see a problem with it
Isaac Price
Nah, if you dont know about him youre safe. Story about it, missionary explaining this to an eskimo
>what about all our other sealnigger tribes who havent heard of jesus, will they go to to hell? >no, youre fine if you dont know about jesus >then why did you tell me, you cunt.
David Bennett
Wish I could help OP but I rarely pay attention to fairy tales
Zachary Russell
Thats some really bad approach to the gospel. So selfish and without thanksgiving. I think you should read the old testament first...
Levi Gonzalez
Jesus went to hell after his death on the cross, to take out the righteous that could not have known Him.
I think the good people went to heaven and the bad people went to hell like always, but there was so many bad people popping up God needed to send Jesus down to fix it
Also the bible doesn't go into detail about Hell. I think we can assume it works on a karmic system where you only burn in in hell until your sins are paid, at which point you can be reborn. I also think Heaven works on this system, you can stay in heaven until your good dead credits run out, then you need to come back to earth and generate some more good karma
Wyatt Rogers
>Peter 4:6 >For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit >Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. - Acts 2:31
Jace Rodriguez
As for where Jesus comes in, there was so much bad karma on the earth that God sent Jesus to "soak it up", by being crucified he absorbed the bad karma. Taking refuge in Jesus is extremely virtuous hence why your sins can be forgiven by him
Lincoln Thomas
> WHAT IS THE HARROWING OF HELL Pagancucks btfo kek
Connor Ramirez
God didn't start existing right when jesus was born people have been worshiping God since creation my point being People at that time around the world knew of God. Jesus was sent to earth to remove sin from man.
Hell doesn't exist according to the new pope, now pay your shekels
Brandon Bennett
Point is that the kikes killed him,
Joshua Harris
The entire reason for taking the Hebrew people as the chosen people and establishing the old covenant was to show people they could never be like God on their own, which is what the devil told Adam and Eve, and to point to a coming messiah who would set all things straight.
Your South American witch doctor, for instance, could never be anything but what he was. He did not fulfill hundreds of prophecies that were made about him thousands of years before his birth.
If you're saying that only saving part of humanity is "fair" on God's part, know this.
All of humanity deserves to go to hell.
Anyone who does not only escapes hell by the grace of God.
And God does not count on men to know his name; God reads the hearts of men and judges accordingly. People were found righteous by their belief in God long before Jesus was born.
Nobody killed Jesus. He came to earth to die; he had the power to lay down his life, and the power to pick it back up again.
You're as guilty for the death of the Son of God as anyone else; had you been the sole target of God's wrath, Jesus would have died just for you.
Zachary Powell
Bible says there are no good people. So there are no good people, and good people cannot therefore go to heaven.
Gavin Martin
that is not hell. hell is eternal torment. souls slept before the end of the old age and the beginning of the new. Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Lincoln Reed
Ephesians 4
Hell is not hell, the lake of fire; hell then was Hades/Sheol, the two compartment afterlife spoken of by Jesus in Luke 16. Half Paradise, which was emptied at the resurrection; Half Torment, which is occupied and still growing.
Easton Jenkins
yes - wikipedia transcends the holy bible
Xavier Allen
That's the problem with dogmatic doctrines. Don't even bother debating, they'll tell you "just have faith man, you don't want to go to hell, do you?" Or they'll tell you to read the King James Version, avoiding answering your question themselves. Who knows, they might even call you an atheist or fedora larper. Stop asking so many questions.
Michael Jenkins
There is no soul sleep. "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."
If there were soul sleep, Paul, the greatest apostle, would not have wrestled with his desire to remain and minister, or go and be with Jesus.
Owen Perry
and yet you're on Jow Forums every day
Samuel Lopez
so nobody went to heaven for 6000 years until Jesus came?
Nathaniel Green
Stop asking questions, heretic. Don't you know that Christianity is the only way to stop Islam?! Just believe what people tell you. No independent thought, that's what will save the west goy.
Mason Jackson
The thief was in paradise with Jesus that day, and the day after, and the day after, and then he went to heaven with Jesus on Sunday.
Liam Hughes
True, the pope said so. >All Christians are proddie retards.
Zachary Roberts
People got saved in the OT
>t. goat
Blake Allen
John chapter 9 may help you understand.
Thomas Phillips
We answer all of your questions directly.
You don't like the answers, and you're not equipped to understand them.
Angel Thomas
>12 apostrophes
Thomas Parker
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Brody Gonzalez
Heaven is a pit-stop in which the souls are being reassigned to a new reincarnation once the soul feels ready to do so. Based on whatever or however the faggot lived his previous reincarnation, the next destiny ahead will differ. The rich faggot of today might be a poor faggot tomorrow, the good person today might be a psycho tomorrow (But the free will is there to stay as the soul needs to build its life experience on this earth with the given conditions surrounding it.) Doubt hell after death is a real thing. The closest thing to hell we know is a fucked-up world created with the free will of people and influenced by cheating demonic faggots.
Vulgar display of brainlet. No wonder you're a Croat.
Justin Hughes
4000, and not to heaven, but to Paradise, aka the Bosom of Abraham. Yes, even Enoch, and yes, even Elijah. The gates of heaven were not open until the resurrection; and they were not open to the living until Peter used the first key at Pentecost, 50 days after the resurrection, and then God knows how many years later when the Gentiles were saved without becoming Jews first at Cornelius' house.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; He descended into hell; on the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from there He will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting.
Amen.
>He descended into hell Maybe do some reading about Jesus and Christianity before making a post.
Logan Miller
Eastern mysticism rubbish. It is appointed for a man once to die, and then the judgment.
Isaac Morgan
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Caleb Watson
lol maybe you shouldn't try to base your understanding of a religion on a movie.
Kevin Fisher
>didn't you know there was this dude Jesus in Palestine that got crucified, since you didn't know him, down to hell you go lol. It says in the bible that you get a free pass.
Hunter Morales
Yes, the mindless utterances of pagan fools, believing the recitation of words causes the transformation and rebirth in the Spirit.
"With their lips they pay me service, but their hearts are far from me."
--t. Jesus
Kayden King
Then David slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of David And Baasha slept with his fathers and was buried at Tirzah He built Elath, and restored it to Judah, after that the king slept with his fathers And Jeroboam slept with his fathers, even with the Kings of Israel; So Azariah slept with his fathers; and they buried him with his fathers in the city of David And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father etc etc
Luis Parker
Jews took responsibility.
"HIS BLOOD BE ON US AND OUR CHILDREN!"
John Wright
>Maybe do some reading about Jesus and Christianity before making a post.
Maybe you should, on your own, and with a real bible, not a catholic bible.
Nathaniel Wright
Judgement is such a retarded, primitive attribute encountered only in human species (so far). What makes you think that a Creator would be so imperfect to judge you as a human would ? Not even your parents weren't judging you as much as you though when you were fucking things up as a toddler .
Nicholas Rivera
no more than the federal government lets the states rule themselves it was a local issue
Chase Young
Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin. The evident reason is that neither this state nor the act resulting therefrom is voluntary. It is undeniable that a man cannot be invincibly ignorant of the natural law, so far as its first principles are concerned, and the inferences easily drawn therefrom. This, however, according to the teaching of St. Thomas, is not true of those remoter conclusions, which are deducible only by a process of laborious and sometimes intricate reasoning. Of these a person may be invincibly ignorant. Even when the invincible ignorance is concomitant, it prevents the act which it accompanies from being regarded as sinful. The perverse temper of soul, which in this case is supposed, retains, of course, such malice as it had. Vincible ignorance, being in some way voluntary, does not permit a man to escape responsibility for the moral deformity of his deeds; he is held to be guilty and in general the more guilty in proportion as his ignorance is more voluntary. Hence, the essential thing to remember is that the guilt of an act performed or omitted in vincible ignorance is not to be measured by the intrinsic malice of the thing done or omitted so much as by the degree of negligence discernible in the act.
Eli Clark
Yes, under the sun, that is the recollection of men.
In truth, the certain rich man and Lazarus had a conversation with Abraham in Luke 16.
Maybe read the bible.
And "sleep" is appropriate for death when one is eternal; that physical death is just a doorway. While the body rests in the earth awaiting resurrection, the soul is either in Hades/Sheol, or in heaven.
Chase Reyes
Solomon says if you go to heaven you become a creature far more powerful than a human that can judge and destroy massive cities. Jews don't believe what Solomon says despite claiming to, and have a more atheistic view on afterlife. Proddies are content with waving palm leaves forever for some reason.
Charles Hill
Big mistake on their part. Bigger mistake not to know their own God was on the cross.
Jordan Morales
>12 apostrophes >1 post by this ID stopped there
Gavin Ortiz
The Lord will judge you as you demand to be judged.
>So what happens to people who lived before that and up to the point it was official religion? I don't know. Stop being a fundamentalist with it. God is good, God will judge rightly. God is merciful, think of Christ on the cross. God is loving. In fact, we are told God is Love.
Isaac Thompson
To rephrase this; Credo quia absurdum
If faith/religion would be (scientifically) understood it would stop being that Stipe...
Owen Thompson
The Septuigint is literally all the Jewish tanakh, the OT, translated into Greek.
kek
Jaxon Cook
>What did they told them when they died? Before the Pope went heretical and said Hell didn't exist, there was the Harrowing of Hell which occurred on Easter Saturday. When Jesus died, he descended into Hell, and freed the soul of the righteous who died before His sacrifice.
After his sacrifice, Limbo existed, in which the souls of good pagans who had never heard of Jesus went to. Limbo isn't (or wasn't - tanks Francis!) a particularly good place, nor was it a bad place. It was a holding area, which after the Second Coming would be free allowing for souls to be saved.
As I said, thanks to Francis, we're now in a situation where - 1. Denying and mocking Jesus (like Jews have done for 2000 years now) doesn't lead to Hell 2. Righteous pagans who lived well and honorably before Jesus death now no longer have a place in Heaven, because they were never freed by Jesus' descent Basically, the whole thing is now fucked up, and we're in a situation like this which before could be easily explained away.
Jackson Moore
There never was any limbo or purgatory; both are fundraisers invented by papists.
Liam Gomez
>12 apostrophes phoneposter detected
Ryan Davis
>12 apostrophes i dunno if this is some phoneposting shit but i laughed, heres a (you)
>In truth, the certain rich man and Lazarus had a conversation with Abraham in Luke 16.
unless this is a mere allegorythen it's just another contradiction in the kike fairytale collection --- (((they))) really didnt do a good job at editing
Asher Kelly
>Septuagint fucking larpers in theology threads are the worst
> king james bible > early XVII century > real bible ok
Nicholas Watson
It's the Old Testament translated by 70 rabbis into Greek.
kek
Nolan Gonzalez
Why rely on some film instead of The Bible? Also, Mithras...
Julian Scott
>Just watched The Passion. Basically a 3 hour torture porn movie. Might aw well just watch Saw or Hostel..
Kicker part is Jesus is that the Jew were the enemy, except Jesus was sent to die, so then the Jew did the right thing? Yet Judas was the villan for betraying him, but then again he was sent to die, so Judas did the right thing..
Yes, and it makes sense because nothing can hold back the power and beauty that is your soul. That's why Jesus wanted to be caught and to die for mankind. First to die for our sins and second, to have his spirit released from the 'biomechanical spacesuit' that was his physical body. The house of God is not the church, but the human body and the human soul is a piece of God's love and power. I believe the ancient sanskrit pajeets were onto something when they popped up the concept of reincarnation and so does the bible tell us , but in a more subtle way (You can't have a second coming of christ without a reincarnation into this dimension in some form or other.) If there IS a judgement, so be it. my life has soft sins and I do admit His existence and accept Jesus as his Son. I'm not too worried.
Christopher Murphy
The Roman canon included most of the books of the bible, plus others.
The canon, or collection, is meaningless.
The books of the bible were finished, copied, and freely disseminated for centuries before there was a Roman canon, an Orthodox canon, etc.
And the Romans, of course, added all sorts of non-scriptural books to their canon, again mixing the holy with the profane.
Robert Adams
12 apostles, not apostrophes lol >Pic related an apostle >These are 12 apostrophes''''''''''''
