Tbh, I don't really care all that much for this, I just had a little bit of fun researching how this stuff could become a reality. And, if anyone could answer my questions on what "Vanguardism" even is, I'd be thankful. Wikipedia tells me it's part of Leninism, which makes me a bit skeptical to be honest. But I guess this method could "work" on here too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism
And, for the actual OP now:
Here is all that has been gathered (at least by me) until now, feel free to expand and add to the thread-wide pastebin.
Maybe we change the name to National Vanguardism, what do you think?
Tyler Anderson
Original OP here. Thanks for the pastebin, user, it's some good advice. As for what Vanguardism is, the basic gestalt is that we begin to meet up in groups of 5. First so we can work on self-improvement, and then once we've acheived that, to start becoming active in helping out our local communities. In other words, turning ourselves into dependable people, and then becoming people that our communities depend on. That's what the term Vanguard means- the leaders of a movement, the dependable, philosophically literate core.
That's what it means in the Leninist sense, too, but that's where the similarity ends. Because Lenin was building a socialist vanguard, and we're building a National one.
Elijah Moore
We need a secure platform to communicate that lads, thats half the game. Failing that, we could use multiple comms outlets to throw (((them))) off.
Thomas Ramirez
>Because Lenin was building a socialist vanguard, and we're building a National one. Those two are not incompatible, it is rather his internationalism that makes it problematic.
Julian Bell
Decentralisation is key. Our movement must have no name. I think 5 man teams is a great way to start. Those who are familiar with the structure of a basic British army battalion will see how we should be structured. See pic related.
At first communication with a central command should be limited, and should be focused on local 5 man team. i.e. Self improvement and just generally helping each other to be successful - kind of like a smaller freemason lodge.
>Those two are not incompatible, it is rather his internationalism that makes it problematic
Internationalism is the way forward. We need a 'nationalist internationalism' so that various European and North American movements can provide international aid to each other. Personally, I think this can be done formally through the utilization of blockchain tech. Why we aren't sending the Saffers ETH so they can buy a plane ticket out Im not so sure.
Below the platoon level you have three sections consisting of two 5 man teams. We need to build these teams first before we can make up the greater structure.
Nicholas Roberts
Security isn't going to be too much of an issue. The groups of 5 are separate, there is no 1 larger group with leaers an symbols that the media can attack and the government can subvert. Bt there is going to be a central hub where people can make groups, & they can upload useful advice & information.
This, but not before this- And I think the reason we're not sending the Boers one way tickets out is that they don't want to leave. Most of them on here, from what i've seen, ahve said they'd either stay or flee across the border to another country so they can be nearby.
Brayden Edwards
what about generation identity? Why isn't Jow Forums shilling about IG? why start a new organization when there is one internationaly recognized?
Adam Hill
But it needs to be built on equal cooperation, not like the EU and the USSR
Hunter Lopez
>Security isn't going to be too much of an issue.
I think you underestimate the levels these (((people))) will go to.
>The groups of 5 are separate
This is what I tried to convey - my autism makes me inarticulate. Once we have a solid base of 5 man teams then we can go to the next level up.
>there is no 1 larger group with leaers an symbols that the media can attack and the government can subvert
This. Notice how the 'alt-right' became a mess once it got a label. Think Art of War.
>"Therefore, just as water retains no constant shape, so in warfare there are no constant conditions."
Yes. If there are hate speech laws in Sweden, send all relevant propaganda material to a US user to fire back at Sweden. If one movement requires a base of operations, every other movement can send them money spreading the cost, later on, that movement can then repay the favour. The most important element here is that we now have the ability to send value to one and other without the use of a (((bank))).
Grayson Lee
Oh, i don't underestimate it. I count on it.
If they're going after groups of 5 for going to the gym, dressing nicely and edcating themselves, then they're going to ahve to admit, in public, the *only* reason they're doing anything wrong in their eyes is because they are right wing. And making arrests is their only course of action, because they can't ban a group that doesn't exist. The 5 man teams are separate, our online hub is the only connection. If they tried legislation, it'd either be too wide and tread on the left's toes, making them even more enemies, or too narrow and therefore pointless because we can just reform in new groups. I'm already thinking art of war, user. The enemy can only make one move, and it would cost them more then it would cost us.
Austin Thomas
>Oh, i don't underestimate it. I count on it.
To be honest I'm pretty sure I have been (((warned))) before. How we know that one of us isn't working for (((them))). I have spent much time contemplating how something like this could happen, but I decided against taking action. But with each day, and each chip the (((media))) takes out of me, it brings me closer to action.
>If they're going after groups of 5 for going to the gym, dressing nicely and edcating themselves, then they're going to ahve to admit, in public, the *only* reason they're doing anything wrong in their eyes is because they are right wing.
This is why it is perfect. We do not explicitly have to state we are right wing either. The Freemasons are non political and do a similar thing to what we have in mind.
Logan Myers
The Russian Facebook, VK is an option for communication.
Adam Rivera
The black sun is the cult that rules the world. They are the Jews and the Jesuits both
there's been several large threads on this but have you brits done anything yet?
Christian Baker
It's not, but this isn't communism.
Several is about 4. it's still early days. We'll be organising meetups when the hub is up and running.
Anthony Martin
good luck breh don't LARP too hard, ur a perfect scapegoat if the gov gets onto this
Logan Brooks
bump
James Anderson
SeeLet them come.
Bentley Bennett
Where was communism mentioned in this thread kike?
Alexander Watson
It's been bought up in the OP, and a few times in other threads, because the Bolsheiviks also had a policy called Vanguardism. But we're trying to establish a Nationalist Vanguard, not a communist one.
Angel Mitchell
Leninism-Bolshevism aren't really communism. Steven Bannon classes himself as a Leninist.
Noah Lewis
That may be true, I can't claim to be an expert. But Lenin was a communist, and so was the regime that Leninism created. So it has that association, and the point is, we don't.
Not that bad of idea. That way each nation across the world could use it but have their own culture in it. It could work
Caleb Garcia
Bump
Aaron Baker
Because theres a huge segment of people on Jow Forums who will sperg bloody murder because Generation Identity isn't full 1488 and doesn't name the Jew. The shills barely have to work to make a Generation Identity thread degenerate into shitflinging and mindless drivel.
Logan Barnes
This. There's a huge segment of Jow Forums that exists to hold back the rest with teenybopper posturing.
Blake Thomas
Not to say the JQ isn't valid and the kikes aren't a fucking plague and the source of a good deal of our misery, but redpilling people on it and shifting the public discourse on the Jews is best done anonymously and informally.
Lucas Flores
It's also pretty restrictive. GI could get banned for crossing an as-yet-nonexistant line, so their activism efforts have been limited (with the exception of Defend Europe). They can't ban something like this, or attack the central authority since there is none. And even if they try, it's easier to simply dissolve a group of 5 and reform it. Also, while i can appreciate the logic of avoiding certain topics for groups like GI, it'd be nice to have somewhere were we *can* discuss them, and become more confident in our knowledge of it & our ability to debate it.
Isaac Ortiz
bump
any of you burgers from michigan
Austin Gray
>tfw you are a friendless loser with no idea how to make friends or meet other autists who would join something like this
