Why did the United States of America leave Vietnam during the Vietnam War
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Unwinnable
The pussy wasn’t tight enough
it was the right thing to do american in that time they didnt have sell their soul yet
Stupid hippie protests and the media who loved them
How can you blame them? American soldiers getting fed with the BBC had to get them loose eventually.
>Why did the United States of America leave Vietnam during the Vietnam War
Liberals mf* have you ever read a history book?
Simply because there were just too many. They couldn't kill all of them. It was a massacre.
Infinite supply of fucking everything from China and Russia.
North Vietnam is embedded into Chinese territory, it was an impossible war and America treated North Vietnam with kiddie gloves.
The greatest generation was firmly against it and it was starting to be political suicide to support the war. Hippies were annoying, but didn't vote so they didn't sway shit and enough of the youth had been fed anti communist propaganda for so long that for every hippie spouting to make love and not war, there were dozens of hard core better dead than red folks.
Bullshit. We were literally 3 weeks from winning that war. We pushed the commmunists completely out of Vietnam and into Cambodia where they were operating, and couldn't get authorization from the gubment to go into Cambodia. And what happened after? The escalation of Cambodia civil war. Fucking liberals probably cost more lives by having the war stopped than if we had been allowed in wiping out the communists.
Your "analysis" completely avoids the actual topic why the war itself went badly in the first place.
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Nah, it was a MAD thing. The whole point was to push the shit back up their ass, accepting tons of our own casualties, just to make future things like Vietnam look “not worth it bro”.
Read Wizards of Armageddon, contains a lot of declassified stuff from that era. The whole thing was literally pointless but nobody would know for 50 years.
Cowards
Nice proxy, American troll.
Liberals also got us INTO Vietnam you dipshit.
The Vietnam war was supposed to be between the French and the Vietmin but we had to poke our fucking heads into a dismal ass country because of DA EBIL COMMUNISTS who could barely muster enough beets to feed themselves much less be a legitimate threat to democracy.
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Oh the irony
You and I both know neither side were cowards. That is the reason there is a degree of mutual respect between our countries in spite of that catastrophe. Although it could never really have been any different.
It wasn't asked why the war went badly, shithead.
It was asked why the USA pulled out.
The USA has comparable success in the middle east right now, but they aren't leaving that shithole of an area because boomers aren't axing every swinging dick that doesn't demand a complete withdrawl, Gen x and millenials don't vote for shit.
>It was asked why the USA pulled out.
Because the war went so baldly.
>The USA has comparable success in the middle east right now
You have no idea what you're talking about. Absolutely no idea.
>It was asked why the USA pulled out.
The USA pulled out because of MAD reasons. There was imperfect knowledge about the state of nukes, who had them, who had them where, and who would actually use them. The decision was made to inflict maximum damage, have it appear to be plausible that the US could run up the middle for a TD, then pull out.
The entire point was to demonstrate conventional deterrence. It was the game theory of the time.
>Liberals also got us INTO Vietnam you dipshit.
I didnt say they didn't you sperging faggot.
Right, you just implied that they were to blame for having the War stopped, when you know for a fact that almost the entire American public was against the war, not just the liberals.
We bagged our limit. Had to get ready for the next season.
>Because the war went so baldly.
It really wasn't for the US, since there was < 60,000 dead and over 850,000 dead on the other side. I believe it's much higher, probably around 2,000,000 dead.
The main concern about MAD at the time was festering low-grade "people's revolutions" that would always be sub-nuclear. The thinking was, to counter that, go all-in on one of them, and inflict a fucking horror show. Then fight to a draw and leave. Suddenly that whole line of thought looks a lot less attractive. And by that measure it accomplished what it set out for.
The only thing is, nobody could ever talk about what it really set out for. Nobody wanted to come out and say exactly why they literally sacrificed 60,000 young & healthy US men.
Literally and unironically this.
I don.t remember reading about ma and pa kettle protesting on the steps of congress every day for a year.
The socialists and communists opened a domestic front in the US, which was never defeated then nor since.
All basically goes back to the sixties all-out war against the West, both militarily and at home, in US and Western Europe.
Pulling out from South Vietnam most damaging effect was that the domestic communist front was able to impose its narrative upon its enemy and that the pilar of this narrative is the white guilt shit. From that point on, they kept hammering anything patriotic to the point where it collapsed completely.
Then, the anti-communist America conquered the state and became the neo-communist America, what we call "globalism". Obama is the perfect symbol of that.
And now, islamism is teaming up with the third-world anti-white powers and the marxist domestic front to destroy what's left of the West with the full consent of the globalist establishment.
All the wars that now the US are fighting are unamerican to the core and favours this alliance.
I am not even sure the US military understands it.
they admitted to intentionally killing a villiage of people that were doing nothing. its a war crime to intentionally target civilians
the mai lai massacre forces america to end its occupation of vietnam. it wasnt protest though that helps on the domestic front
>It really wasn't for the US, since there was < 60,000 dead
That's really bad. But of course when you're fighting against a modern military that's expected.
> The only thing is, nobody could ever talk about what it really set out for.
I think the domino theory comes pretty close to what you're saying and it was repeated by everyone a million
times.
It's like Abu Ghraib. Mai Lai and Abu Ghraib don't happen by accident, they happen because the upper echelon know exactly what will happen from a psychological perspective when people exist within a certain set of operating constraints. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Same thing about how it all started. You know about that whole thing, right?
'Muricans were actually winning the war, in fact North Vietnam signed a peace treaty. But once Watergate broke out and they sensed that the anti-war movement was gaining steam, they just invaded South Vietnam while the US did nothing.
After Nixon resigned, Democrats ran on ending the Vietnam War and swept both Houses of Congress by getting a supermajority in the House and a filibuster-proof one in the Senate. At that point they said fuck you to Ford and told him that if he didn't withdraw the troops they just wouldn't fund the military.
>they admitted to intentionally killing a villiage of people that were doing nothing. its a war crime to intentionally target civilians
>they
You should research that story a little more.
It was basically a manlet problem. I'm not kidding.
> domino theory comes pretty close
Yes, it does, except that they pretty much knew domino theory wasn't a huge deal as long as they paid the blood god up front. Which they did. And, really, it mostly worked.
Its success is illustrated by propaganda like this: express.co.uk
The whole thing was wildly successful in the long term, which was what it was intended for.
>It was basically a manlet problem. I'm not kidding.
You're 100% correct. The question is whether they knew these things would happen. And the answer is "yes, they did". And they knew also: yes, we will need excuses to withdraw. How convenient!
I'm convinced that there never is a "they" or anyone in control but things just happen. Every aspect of the USA is too chaotic and massive to be controlled by anyone. Also, people pathologically hate taking responsibility.
amazon.com
Read it.
Don't just read it, savor it, and further savor everything between the lines that can't be stated. It took me about 3 readings for the Jow Forums effect to sink in, where you enjoy it rather than fight it.
But if I had to pick a percentage by which I agree with you, I'd pick 51%, you're more right than wrong. But there is much, much more to it, and a lot of very smart people doing very, very classified things.