Christ

>tells the ocean to stop being so stormy
>it actually does
nothing personal, muhammed

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>christ
>followers are first-world and run the planet
>muhammad
>followers are inbred third-world suicide bombers

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oi m8 end that strife, bin the knife...

>heals the sick just by touching them or saying a sentence
nothing personal, muhammed.

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>defies the laws of physics just because he feels like it
nothing personal, muhammed.

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Nice try Ali

Jesus Christ, you Jow Forumslacks will really believe anything a brown man says.

b-but mohammad was an alpha! he fucked so many bitches! even under 10s!

Why would Odin’s grandson believe either one?

>BTFO by Romans
Fuck off kike. This is a boomer lie.
Kikes crucified Jesus.

Now go gas yourself schlomo.

>asks for verification
>believes anything
These are two different things, Shlomo
Turn off that pesky meme flag

>A famous anecdote about Adolf Hitler's perspectives towards Islam and the Arabs is recounted by Albert Speer in his best-selling memoir, Inside the Third Reich. Speer reports that "Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs."[2] The delegation had speculated that the world would have become "Mohammedan" if the Berbers and Arabs had won the Battle of Tours in the 8th Century AD, and that the Germans would have become heirs to "a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the German temperament.

>Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying: "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world."

>According to Speer, Hitler usually concluded his historical speculation by remarking, "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

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I'm sure Romans felt similarly about Christians

t.sandnigger parasite living in Christian country.
Fuck off back to your ""alpha"" shithole.

>Jesus
>a dude who knew what was up with the world
He was The Word made flesh. Logos incarnate. God coming down to man.

Ask Constantine

>Muslim countries are better
>Must be the reason why they move to Christian countries while nobody moves to their countries
So this is the power of bong logic

I apologise on behalf of all bongs everywhere

Most muslims follow the hadiths because of literal inability to follow thier own Quran (says its the inly book u will ever need, tard mudslimes still follow 1400 other books). The hadiths tell them to rape your women and conquer your lands.

>christians go on to conquer the entire world and create the 21st century.
>muslims are still a literal medieval dark age culture

The first statement I can accept. It's the second that I want proof of, and reasonable proof that the Qur'an doesn't say those things

> Choosing between two MENA religions
> The state of Jow Forums in 2018

Theres 56 muslim countries. Theres 5 worthy of being called non shitholes. Most muslims live in countries much worse than even India. The only respectable countries are the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Brunei (Oil, Gas, Oil, Oil) and Malaysia (chinks)

Are all of the parts of the Koran where Muhammed raped and conquered non-canon now? Does it officially end before he leaves Mecca for the first time?

The quran has some violent passages but mostly contextual and it doesnt say shit like cover your face and hair, dont talk to men, it also does not have the sharia law. No stoning, whipping or death for premarital sex. You are also allowed to leave the religion without being killed.

It’s adorable how people still think God exists.

The quran barely speaks about muhammad. The hadiths written over 200 years aftwr his death (kek) supposedly explain how he lived. The problem is the quran says to follow thw example of the prophets and in the hadiths it says muhammad raped, had sex slaves, killed, practiced fgm etc. So tard mudslimes believe those passages from the hadiths and think that God wishes for them to act this way.

You’re welcome to provide evidence these events occurred.

I mean, it's a book. Read it and find out? It's not like it can contain things which aren't inside it.

>flag
>not a muslim
Nice try

>t. 0iq

So, you know how in Christianity, especially American evangelical Protestantism, there are churches who only read the Gospels? Are there sects in Islam who ignore all the opinions and extra writings and only follow the Quran?

Not an argument.

^

>Couldn't even read
>peadophile

No thanks

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Okay, so what caused the Big Bang, jackass?

Yes, the quranist movement and surprise surprise they're peaceful af. Sadly they're a very tiny minority and are often mocked by other muslims.

Does the fact that his message could become so distorted so quickly not bother you? Especially considering how Islam claims that Christianity is a doctored faith based on an unhistorical representation of the life of Jesus?

Don’t know. You don’t know either, and that question may not make physical sense.

It’s adorable how gaytheists feel the need to prove they exist

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The prophet Muhammad is a historical figure though.

(((Christ))) was a cucked Jew who hung out around 12 dudes. What do you expect?

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Really? What makes an argument?

Not homosexual and I feel no need to “prove I exist”. Everyone that doesn’t live in the Bronze Age knows there’s people that don’t believe in the local sky fairies.

Muhammad is much more likely to have existed than Jesus.

> what caused the Big Bang, jackass?

A bearded dude who apparently spends all his time in the Middle East obsessing over foreskins did.

Yes but most muslims reject the quranist message and refuse to doubt the hadiths. If you question the hadiths they call you an infidel and traitor and call for your death.

Do they live somewhere specific? Or is it an Islam-wide thing? And what are the numbers we're talking about?

What caused God?
He's eternal, and beyond time and space? So was the "big bang", it just ended
Come on, you're giving theists a bad name by using such retarded arguments

Did you not read the permanently pinned image on this board?

white sharia is literally the only way to fix europe, you can kick all the shitskins out since mohammed said "allah has made you into separate nation and tribes" this is why the gulf countries have no immigrants and kick immigrants out if they enter the country without a visa

ITT - My MENA religion is better than your MENA religion.

I want you to tell me, and to justify it,.

A being unaffected by time can do literally nothing except just sit there.

here is a picture of mohammed's living descendant, Europe needs islam to solve all it's problems

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"As many Quranists have a very individualistic interpretation of the Qur'an, rejecting sectarianism and organised religion as a general rule, it is difficult to gather an accurate estimate of the number of Quranists in the world today by doing a study of the Quranist organisations that exist. Another difficulty in determining their prevalence is the possible fear of persecution due to being regarded as apostates and therefore deserving of the death penalty"

>alpha and patriarchal
>entire middle east getting its ass kicked by a Christian country for the 4th time
If being bombed back to the stone age and herding goats with a stick and a 3 legged dog is alpha then sure thing kiddo.

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>Christian Europe

Literally conquered the entire world. Built the most advanced weaponry known to man. Massive birthrates. Beautiful architecture. Bleached entire continents. Crusade preparations included massacring jewish populations in Christian cities as they marched to the Holy Land.

>Muslim Arab world

Massive shithole for centuries. Violent, no Science. Best weapons are some old rifles and tanks donated by European Christian men. Blow themselves up because they are desperate. Fuck goats. Inbred as fuck. Cant even kill the jews. Prophet diddled kids.

Outside of, not unaffected by
Even then, time is only an aspect of the universe
If something can act outside of the universe, it's reasonable to assume it can act outside of time as well, even if it's not "action" in the way we think of it

The Prime Mover did, and that ultimately makes sense. And the Prime Mover is, by definition, merely Timelessness, Omnipotency, Omniscience, Non-physicality and Universality made manifest; hence God.

sure thing mr. germ.

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There are almost a dozen different sects to every religion. So to answer your question, yes. Some sects will read certain versions of the bible as muslims do. Shit man, even Northern european religion is divided with Asatru, Odinism, universalist (faggots who watch the thor movies and are all like DOORRRRRRR AAAAAHHHH), Lokism which is even more degenerate than globalist, then you have volkisch Asatru and Odinism and probably more sub-categories of that. It's a mess.

>still trying to prove existence

>local sky fairy

Sounds about right gaytheist.

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Muslims are more inbred than rednecks since its legal in your "alpha muslim socities" your probably a refugee who ran to the uk because other inbreds are killing eachother

A “prime mover” is unnecessary, and you attribute it contradictory and impossible traits.

literally this

Id say that the likelihood of the prophet Muhammad having existed is probably around the likelihood of Genghis Khan having existed. i.e. almost definitely

Theres no debate, actually.

Sounds like he's just describing some sort of precursor to the universe, which isn't necessarily thinking, and calling it God

“Outside of the universe” is nonsensical. If the Sky fairy has its own special universe where it can manipulate ours, that one must still have “time” or some alien analogue that allows for “stuff” to change States linearly. Without that, thinking isn’t possible.

I get that. I just know little about Muslim communities and was curious if there were such a thing as a "Quran only" group. Seems there is.

Sounds like we need to find them and help them gain power over the other sandniggers.

That’s new age rambling and you know it.

Even worse, flag indicates hes paki. Saw a survey saying like 60% of pakis literally commit incest.

The likelyhood of Allah existing is around the likelyhood of God existing.

And people say Christianity is in a bad spot.

Have you heard of Claire Khaw? I don't personally agree with her but her discussion with E. Michael Jones is fascinating.

I hate it when people use imperialism and destruction as proof of Christianity's excellence. The British Empire was arguably the low-point of Christendom. Pure barbarism, piracy and decadence.

>no response

>Pure barbarism, piracy and decadence.
Fuck off Hans, you're not a real Australian.

I think you confuse alpha with the lack of intellect.

Sorry for not biting your bait. I’m not going to explain basic informal fallacies to you.

Fuck off Dimensionlet.

Them, ahmedis or the ibadis. All peaceful muslim sects that dont believe in forced conversion, invasions, killing apostates and ninja outfits. Have never gone to war or carried our terror attacks. As is to be expected they're all minorities and are rejected by the muslim world.

Nobody's a real Australian anymore. Thanks to post-colonial syndrome we invited our conquerors into our cities and just let them start taking over block by block. We're also encouraging them to claim country towns too. If England just kept its greedy hands to itself this wouldn't have happened.

please everyone bow down to mohamed our alpha conqueror

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No response because you know you can't justify it

What nonsense is this? Abbos aren't Aussie either, they're Abbo.

Would you rather follow a guy who never took a wife or sired a son or a man who had several wives including one who was a loli?

No it's not. The universe is merely the limit of what we can observe, not what there is. Anything outside of it is meaningless to us, of course, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Also, just because it has an analogue of time doesn't mean it experiences the same cause-effect type time we experience, or even that its time is linear

mohammeds head was cut off in battle in one of the crusades. i forget which one but it wasnt the first one. i want to say the second

its not even a thousand year old religion. there are variants that predate islam but were not recognized as a formal stand alone religion. more like variants of jewyism

some would laugh at this not realizing there has been a significant effort by muslims to paint islam as the oldest religion and a more recent push by europe to agree with that in part by saying its older than it actually is

Not biting your bait, sweetie. You can google “ad hominem” if you like.

A Prime Mover is necessary.
Everything has a cause and an effect. To deny that statement is to claim that not everything has a cause and an effect, and therefore to accept Randomness as your main creed, disregarding sciences (since it is not a product of randomness but, on the contrary, of fixed laws), morality, logic and meaning as fake, which has already been proven as true by the very state of modern civilizationa round you. Obviously the chain of causality started somewhere and will end somewhere.
The Prime Mover must also necessarily have the traits I described, or else he would be an effect (at some degree, at least) of the actions of the Real Prime Mover.

>mohammeds head was cut off in battle in one of the crusades. i forget which one but it wasnt the first one. i want to say the second
retard

>be subhuman mudnigger worshipping mohamed
>can't create a functional country even though you have been shown how to run one during colonial times
>have to live in the West because your home country is such a fucking dumpster fire
>come on a tibetan basket waving forum to boast how great your traditions and culture is

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You don't get to choose. There is an islamic jurisprudence that is in charge of debate which hadiths are relevant to the faith. If you want to doubt the hadits in the Life of prophet Mohammed like a heretic just because it was written 200 years after his death, then you have to put Quoran itself also in doubt, because it was written 30 years after his death by second khalifa and it was a fucking mess which he had to filter through and throw out thousands of allegedly witnessed events.