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>Twenty three years ago today a man was right

According to how Joe covers Syria, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Either it's all wrong or none of it is. Stop the fucking kikery, Joe.

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Even with all the documentaries doing their best to portray him as crazy he, nor his actions, seem very crazy to me. An insane individual will, more likely than not, not have the mental clarity to successfully assemble, deliver and detonate a highly sophisticated bomb, without being. But, then again, there is evidence that he was allowed to accomplish his mission. It did occur, afterall, during one of the satanic mass sacrifice days, and many of the victims were children. So.. ya never know with these fucks.

I know of him from his time in NYC since the 80's.

>without being
yah that'd be tough for almost anyone.

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Fuck Joe Scarborough. Maybe McVeigh became a "paranoid, anti-government psycho" because of the government's handling of Waco?

If fire fighters fight fires, what do freedom fighters fight?

>bringing up OKC
Great can WE BRING UP THE FUCKING DEPUTY WHO SAID HE WAS INVESTIGATING THE FBI FOR BEING RESPONSIBLE, CALLED HIS FRIEND AND SAID HE WAS "SHAKING THE FEDS ON HIS TAIL", AND THEN GOT FOUND DEAD IN A FIELD WITH TWO GUNSHOTS IN THE BACK OF HIS HEAD

Or how about we talk about how the previous OK government was investigating the FBI and their governor got taken out and replaced with someone else who immediately stopped the investigation?

You know it's weird absolutely no ATF were in that building that day but an absolute fuckton of paper documentation on a few Clinton scandals were. Really makes me think of the audit being conducted on the pentagon for that missing $12 trillion that got interrupted when it got bombed during 9/11.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Bombs away, Mr. McVeigh!

>They didn't win, it's 168-1

not much before, but he had a lot of correspondence after

meant to link
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

The administration has said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons ("weapons of mass destruction") -- mainly because they have used them in the past.

Well, if that's the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.S. is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims that this was done for deterrent purposes during the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union. Why, then is it invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterrence) -- with respect to Iraq's (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?

The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We've all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen these pictures juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other "regional conflicts" that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of "weapons of mass destruction."

Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones -- Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants -- mostly women and children -- in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks, or months to die.)

It's a shame we can't just be one respectful nation that values its rights and prioritizes the people above isolated agendas and interests. Being American used to mean something.

If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges and trials against him and his nation, why do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of "mass destruction" -- like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above?

The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction.

Hypocrisy when it comes to death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes "a shield."

(Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb -- saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)

Yet another example of this nation's blatant hypocrisy is revealed by the polls which suggest that this nation is greatly in favor of bombing Iraq.

In this instance, the people of the nation approve of bombing government employees because they are "guilty by association" -- they are Iraqi government employees. In regard to the bombing in Oklahoma City, however, such logic is condemned.

What motivates these seemingly contradictory positions? Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don't have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones? In this context, do people come to believe that the killing of foreigners is somehow different than the killing of Americans?

I recently read of an arrest in New York City where possession of a mere pipe bomb was charged as possession of a "weapon of mass destruction." If a two pound pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction," then what do people think that a 2,000-pound steel-encased bomb is?

When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.

Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane, or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.

These are weapons of mass destruction -- and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.

Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign targets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivalent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is that this nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine.

It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.

When considering the use of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to an end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone: "Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

Why should I trust an organization that allowed someone who said they wanted to be "a professional school shooter" to eventually shoot up a school?