When did the United States reach the tipping point from being a great nation that was good for the world (in general and especially for the West) to being a threat to the world? What led to the changes? What are the results of it? Was America even a force for good at any point?
Basically just looking for Jow Forums's thoughts on the US of A and how it's role in the world has evolved over time.
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>implying
If you ever thought America was good for the world, by definition it is still good for the world even today.
If you think America is bad for the world, that means America was never good for the world (with a few notable exceptions).
Whatever is happening currently in terms of American involvement in foreign affairs has happened again and again in the past. Nothing fundamentally has changed with America's standing in the world, nor the consequences of it.
Before we started fucking with other nations pretty ww2 also us was lost when we decided to convict Nixon for exposing pedophiles through Un kosher methods
Who cares about the rest of the world. But the US itself died with this.
America became a threat to the world when it became great, because greatness, by its nature, engulfs those who are not as great.
But it is important to understand what "the world" is here. It is not a threat to the people who love American culture and who enjoy its prospects; it is not a threat to the whole world. It is a threat to the world of evil only, to the world of people who react negatively towards greatness, resentfully towards it. It is a threat to those people. And those are the people that it is in the process of steamrolling over.
eat shit and die
Woodrow Wilson sold us to the jews
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There have been many great people who've invented things that have lived in America. It's ideas of freedom and free market are great. However, I'd say ever since the world wars we have been too involved in other countries affairs forcefully because the Zionists really started pushing their globalist agenda after Israel was formed. So while we still are lucky we have Free Speech and the Right to bear arms, we have to fight to protect these rights because if we don't we will end up like Europe and all the other countries of the world that don't have them
When they threw the tea in the harbour
>When did the United States reach the tipping point from being a great nation that was good for the world (in general and especially for the West) to being a threat to the world?
When we started fighting foreign wars under a false savior complex.
The US was always a threat to others just like how others are all a threat to others and to us. Allies are a case of lesser of evils or keeping enemies close.
The US always had central banking but for a brief time during Andrew Jackson. Fuck off with this lolbert meme. Wilson segregated the federal government, totally opposite of what Jews want for the goyim.
The moment you declared independence was when it all went wrong.
British America would have been white.
>The US always had central banking but for a brief time during Andrew Jackson
We weren't always ass out with debt, though.
You'll be at 56% by the time your next census rolls around, don't worry.
Boomers went into politics.
>freed all the niggers without removing them
The shit we see today would still happen in the absense of the civil war.
That's cause historically we didn't have a huge ass 24/7 military and people keep living longer without getting rich so we have entitlements that didn't exist for most of US history either.
jews took over education and media then it was over.
I disagree.
Having a fiat currency/petrodollar that has to be enforced by threat of war made our foreign policy fundamentally different from previous generations.
There was a time we were good, but that either ended when we joined ww2 or in the 50s
lol, you are not even white
>America is only a threat to evil people
Then fucking explain Bill, GWB, Obama, and Hillary. They are all a threat to good people. Evil people were protected. Still are.
America is not good
when you entered ww1
I don't know
you know this and so know I
yes
Income tax, Federal reserve act, League of nations, Wilsoniasm, WW1,etc etc
>Fuck off with this lolbert meme
not an arguement
>That's cause historically we didn't have a huge ass 24/7 military
gee i wonder why
It may be a grave threat now, but it provides more entertainment and chuckles than at any point in it's or any other nation's history.
Enjoy the spectacle before it's inevitable implosion drags you down with it.
Well, during the cold war the united states became obsessed with asserting influence into other nations. However, I believe the United States was never in the right position in the first place to help the good of the world. Even in 1902, the United States funded a coup in Venezuela to make an independent Panama to make its own canal. Not to mention the Native American genocide that took place, and the fake U.S.S Maine incident. But if I were to make an estimate i'd say the days where the US was committed to helping the world was up until the Roe vs Wayde period.
probably when jfk got killed? Then most places went completely and obviously sideways, saying that though it was probably earlier that the virus got hold.
I hate this stupid fucking boomer meme
>it's mummy and daddy's fault! :^)
>I hate this stupid fucking boomer meme
Nah, it started before them. They just bought into it too hard and were too greedy. Only thought 5-10 years ahead, instead of 30, 50, 100. But they couldn't have envisioned some of the consequences in the world. They're still mostly in control of the direction of systems, so most blame will be placed on them (and it's a much louder world when everyone can hear everyone's voice via social media)
How were they a threat?
1861
Any other answer is categorically incorrect.
Doubt it. At least you have been pure evil since 1916
USA was broke before ww2, which shifted banks and gold to new york from europe. Cold war and vietnam made usa impearism rise, military budget to balloon. When you have a standing army one must use it, otherwise military personnel will run out of funding and salaries
When did you stop beating your wife?
WW 1 would be a good time to pick. That's where we went to a war were scores of thousands of whites were killed in order to break up the ottoman empire to free up palestine for the jews.
You should've stayed out of ww2 and stayed isolationist.
August 1, 1945
How was that possible when Japan killed thousands of US citizens at Pearl Harbor and then Germany declared war.
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When the Jews took over circa 1913
CIA
When we started invading people because they wouldn’t play ball with our capitalism.
After FDR died, all hell broke loose and the sociopaths took over
Tea is degenerate
The US took the role of hegemon after WW2 from the British.
>weaker countries team up to counter power
>US power waned
>enemy propaganda succeeds
If we stayed out of WW2 you would be speaking German right now
Pat Buchanan's Death of the West says the 1960's. The pdf of it is available for free online.
He said:
>Americans finally achieved their goal of their kids living better lives than they did, which made people get comfortable and lazy.
>TV was then popular and encouraged more individuality and pleasure
>L-B-Gay gave the blacks a bunch of goodies.
>Abortion went from being a major no-no to no big deal in under 15 years. This spurred the feminist revolution and destroyed the nuclear family.
>People started going to college which meant they were free to have lots of sex, which meant there was no need to get married in order to have sex anymore
I also don't believe the Vietnam War helped.
Great depression into WWII
best answer here
pick one:
>WW1, shouldn't have intervened, bad guys won as a result, Wilson wanted us to get attacked so he could support Britain
>WW2, we didn't need to enter and no one really won, but Roosevelt wanted us to get attacked by Japan so he could enter and support Britain
>The 60s in general but that was a US and European phenomenon, but here was where the diversity shit started
>Post-1991 when the USSR fell and the US was convinced about the whole "end of history" thing and had tons of Jews in prominent positions due to the waves of Soviet Jews that came here
Sounds about right, the US crushes any hopes of Europe going back to pre WW2 order of things with the Suez crisis. Then the veil is finally lifted with the Korean War. After that it has gone downhill since.
Also if I had to pick one turning point, I would say it was the Kennedy assassination.
FDR intentionally antagonized Japan because he wanted them to attack us. He wanted a pretext to get involved in the war to support Britain.
Better than speaking Arabic
US had to enter in 2 because Japan was already an aggressor and strategic competitor. In any event WW2 and Pearl Harbour were the perfect excuse to crush the competition for good.
>>WW2, we didn't need to enter and no one really won,
The Jews, Russians and the US won big. The Jews got their own state, which made no sense. The Russians spread communism to multiple countries, including the US. And The US got to expand their presence in countries like Israel, Guam, Philippines, Japan and SK which got us global power.
1965.
Once your immigration policies got Jewed, it was downhill from there.
Ideologically America had always been a threat to the west until after wwII, when it consumed the west. Now you have instances of american liberalism being even more pervasive in euro populations than in white america. its hard to address because america has become much more than just a state.
I think you'd have to say that it was always destined to be bad, or good, depending upon your position (given that america would always become the power it is today, instead of remaining isolationist).
Japan is vastly overexaggerated as a potential competitor. We wanted to intervene for the sake of Britain.
In the long run all Western countries lost and the Jews won I guess.
>U.S. defeats the Soviet Union and ushers in a golden age of capitalism, resource exploitation, and space exploration
>hurr durr U.S. is bad
What are you TALKING about?
It’s an easy answer, America began its downward spiral in 60’s.
Vietnam war, Hippies, drugs, porn, Jews mascarading as the voice of a generation, then the immigration act allowing the third world to move in. It didn’t happen suddendly, it has been a gradual grind towards maximum pozz.
Lincoln did an income tax, there was also already a federal income tax on the maritime industry to fund the marine hospital service since 1798. The US didn't even join the League of Nations or ratify the Treaty of Versailles.
>muh federal reserve
Already pointed out there has almost always been central banking.
>gee i wonder why
The Spanish American War saw a lot of American casulaties by relatively outnumbered Spanish forces since so much of our military were just everyday dudes and not professional soldiers.
>overexaggerated
No it was a real threat, the botched attack on Pearl Harbour shows just how incompetent and the kind of perverse thinking that made them a threat.
I’m sure everyone has their own self-serving idea of what is good for the world. That’s the root of the problem
The US is still the greatest nation in the world, prove me wrong. sure the fucking jew kikes are running the planet pretty much everywhere but we can't kill them yet.
protip: you cant
I know the exact tipping point for me. June 5, 2013 - the day of the Snowden NSA leak. That's when I started viewing the US as evil.
>What led to the changes?
wtf do you think?
Money.
via the military industrial complex.
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9/11 aka ZOG Christmas
We're the only ones who have a chance to end it if the pendulum swings anti-kike. Every eurocuck and irrelevant other country that posts here knows it. If he we fully collapse under the weight of the kike it's over. And when we do rise up and defeat them we will ascend to our rightful place as nuAtlantis and reign for 1,000 peaceful years.
The powers that were, were idiots.
In the 1960's they purposefully deconstructed the American Values system via legal conscription that we dont need to discuss.
They the purposefully made a pacified and ignorant populations
>"And as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking – and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging." ~~~ John Podesta
They then accidently organized a standard foreing occupation of America
Via the four standard methods.
1. Iconoclasm 2. Revisionism 3. Censorship 4. colonization and demographic replacement.
Every conquest works the same. And you might ask yourself who would seek the occupation and conquest of America and be powerful enough to actually do it?
Well thats the Joke, it was out own ignorance. It wasnt the jews, the process was started by the WASPS. How do you like them apples?
>Snowden
That's when even normies realised they had been goy'd.
The tipping point was without a doubt the end of WW2.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki convinced Americans that the end always justifies the means, while fast-growing Zionist influence in the US government lead to it being among the first to recognize Israel as more than a coalition of paramilitary terrorist groups on rightfully Palestinian land. Then the Cold War mentality kicked in and that was when US intelligence agencies truly abandoned any idea of a moral code or concern for the sovereignty of others.
So yeah, 1945.
1965
We allowed hippies to live
We allowed Jews to infiltrate our highest institutions and shape public policy over the next 40 years
We allowed blacks to vote
>didn't have a huge ass military
We didn't have bases all over the place, but we did have a war against the Injuns that lasted ~150 years, with other wars dumped in there at the same time, as well.
I'd rather speak German than Spanish.
>When did the United States reach the tipping point from being a great nation that was good for the world (in general and especially for the West) to being a threat to the world?
When the Soviet Union fell.
>What led to the changes?
Up to the point that the Soviet Union collapsed our foreign policy, military and intelligence actions were largely aimed at stopping the spread of communism. After the Soviets were out of the picture the spooks in the deep state and the military industrial complex started serving the globalist agenda of our corporate masters. The military and intelligence infrastructure of the deep state created with the goal of combating communism found itself without a reason to exist and so it created a new one for itself namely the globalist corporate agenda.
>What are the results of it?
Asinine wars in the middle east and constant meddling across the globe.
>Was America even a force for good at any point?
I'm opposed to all forms of socialism be it national socialism or communism. So I'd say we were for the most part a force for good from 1940 to 1990. Europe, South Korea and Japan all owe their present day success in part to our intervention.
Thucydide's trap. Only the British escaped it once. The odds of the US escaping it are not in its favor. This is why I keep saying a conflict with China is bound to happen and will result in the end of US reign. Even Brzezinski said in the end of The Grand Chessboard that the US is the first superpower and likely the last.
If the Chinese have half a brain they wouldn't topple the US completely. 2000 years of sitting at the top should have taught them that already.
Fought with local militias, until the 20th century out military was formed from those on a temporary basis.
From what I've gathered, they won't. There's a book I want to get called Winners and Other Losers that talks about how there is no clear line between who wins and loses in a total war scenario. For example, the Japanese had most of their production centers decimated in the second world war which allowed them to aquire all the latest production tech and build from the groud up. This made them more technologically advanced. The only thing that is certain is that neither China nor the US (possibly even Russia which would probably get sucked into the conflict) will come out as the dominant global power since all sides will be crippled and weakened much like Europe was after WW2.