Do you think Chinese (Mandarin) will become the next lingua franca? Part 2

Predicted by the same ones who said Hilldawg would win. I'm 36. I've never seen a media prediction remotely come true. Look up predictions of global warming from the 60s. We all should have died long ago.

Gonna be honest, when I was taking Mandarin for like... 2 years during my undergrad, I never paid a lick of attention to the tones I was using, and my professor never bitched about them. I'm pretty sure I fucked up half of them, but it was intelligible enough since things like Wei Shen Me don't exactly mean something reasonable when given another set of tones.

Still, it's enough to deter most people from bothering to learn it.

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No. Chinese won’t even know Chinese soon. The younger generation has abandoned characters and only learn pinyin

>Now more than ever people are taking Mandarin classes.
Oh plenty of people are learning it, but only because it's a good thing to have on your resume. No one's writing their scientific papers in it because it's a shitty language to do it in. And be honest, how often do you see a westerner on the Chinese Internet?

>Not at all
Compared to English, it's pretty pathetic in terms of expressiveness.

Maybe if they had something like Hangul.

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No. It will always be English, because it translates to a keyboard the easiest. No special charecters, and it is already nearly universally spoken. Even if China conquered the planet, English would still be the default language.

>The younger generation has abandoned characters and only learn pinyin

Where did you hear this?

Not for generations and by then we will have perfect auto translators. It is too hard to learn if you are not a child.

>Chinese grammar is very easy
only in basic speaking. The real problem is that In order to express complex relationships they depend upon using unique idioms and idiomatic grammar, which are often rooted in classical chinese. A complete clusterfuck of a language.

Reminds me. There's a thing in China they call "Ti Bi Wang Zi" (提笔忘字). It means "pick up pen, forget character". Basically a lot of Chinese millennials are forgetting how to write their own language because they're so used to entering in characters on computers and phones (which use pinyin), that they're out of practice in the actual mechanical motions of writing shit down.

>It's 4 tones and a neutral which is not hard to train your ears for.
it's not that simple. One dialect of Chinese may have 4 tones, but other dialects have many more. And the way Chinese is, speakers will simply make up more tones or do their own thing with the language over time until it is incomprehensible.
In china, any sort of geographic barrier is often enough to make the chinese language of the two populations diverge enough so they can't understand each other. it's total chaos. it's stupid! It's a big scam.

Taught English there for years. I knew more characters than some of my students. Plus you can’t type characters into computers so they give zero fucks

This 100%

US Citizen married to a Chinese here.

Not going to happen. By 2019 the average Chinese will be older than the average America. China will never colonize the way the French did and while Mandarin won't die off it'll never be a world language.

>tfw anglos just can't stop winning
God damn it feels good to be white

It also helps that writing things in English literally uses less data when stored/transferred on a computer. The default encoding for most unicode data these days is UTF-8. How many bytes does a UTF-8 character use? It depends on the unicode codepoint:

0-127: 1 byte
128-2047: 2 bytes
2048-65535: 3 bytes
65536-1114111: 4 bytes

All US-ASCII characters are in that 1 byte range. This entire post is US-ASCII characters, so it's going to take up as many bytes as there are characters in it. By contrast, most Chinese characters are in the 3-byte range, with some rather uncommonly used characters in the 4-byte range.

The one thing we're not really improving much these days is network bandwidth, so if all of our messages took 3 times as much data, we could be hurting.

Careful now

Nope

You can thank India for that.

Network infrastructure is quite fast and affordable in Europe. It may not be the case in US though

I speak 8 languages and found mandarin to be one of the easiest to learn. Even characters have a logic to them.

It will probably never would, but doesn't change the fact that its a powerful language.
It's a good thing a majority of people only speak one kind of Chinese isn't it?

To be fair, most European countries are rather small and compact, whereas the US has a fucking huge load of mostly empty space. Canada also has a lot of unused land, but I'm not sure how good their Internet quality is.

I know that US has a lot of neglected infrastructure. We are talking about simple stuff, like highways with no potholes and bridges that don't collapse due to lack of maintenance. You shouldn't use the argument of the US being a vast country, to justify the negligence towards your country's infrastructure.

People from Shanghai don’t understand people from Beijing. People under 25 can communicate because they grew up with the unified language but village to village the dialects are very difficult

The tonal nature of Chinese makes that unlikely. I know 6 languages, and Chinese is by far the most difficult Ive run into so far.

This is correct

and the average American will be either speak either spanish or ebonics

while the average French will be speaking Arabic

Nah, English has already been stablished as the world language and china becoming the suplanting the US as the sole super power won't change that, specially considering how hard to learn chinese is.

No, the language is too archaic and difficult for everyone who matters to learn. English is likely here to stay.

So much this.
When I was in China, they couldn’t even agree on how to write each other’s names.
They would argue about how to write certain words, or laugh about it.
The same happens in Japan.
A lot of younger generation can’t spell certain characters they forget since back in school.

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I'm sorry pots and pans but it takes more than a year to move the demographics of the seventh largest population on the planet.

This. English is too well established. Unless there is a great war, china's growing economy means nothing to the language of business.

the maghreb muzzies flooding into France also speak French

When I was in high school, we had to read a book in fucking ebonics.

I just can't believe American education has fallen into that kind of degeneracy.

This bullshit is so baizuo.

This is why they flock to Quebec as well

>It's a good thing a majority of people only speak one kind of Chinese isn't it?
They don't. Only 10% of Chinese citizens speak the official Chinese dialect, Putonghua, fluently. There are hundreds of different dialects. So what this means is that chinese people probably can understand each other, but at a basic level.

No, never. English is a diplomatic, cultural, and economic beacon. Hollywood and music will ensure english is the most spoken language. China is already struggling with Cantonese movies, they can't compete at a regional let alone global level.

its been moving for decades already mr 56%

Not him, but its not really an attempt to justify, more so explain. It is much harder to maintain a mansion than it is a shack. Also, most of the issues you have listed are not issues i have ever encountered. Im sure they are issues elsewhere in the United States, but saying the infrastructure of the entire US is failing is like saying all humans are starving Ethiopians. It happens, but its mostly because our country contains a large percentage of the infrastructure systems on planet Earth.
Internet in the United States is severely lacking though, 100 Mbps is the best i can buy without getting a buisiness tier connection. Costs about $50 per month.

They have done a really good job of getting the younger generation to speak putonghua. Anyone under 25 does it well

Like a lot of people have said it's not a good lingua franca, it's too difficult for outsiders to learn and the writing system is absolute shit. I suppose they could use pinyin but I'm sure there's some problem with it I haven't thought of.
I mean it might hurt to admit it but he's got a point, people mostly take Mandarin as a resume booster not because they intend to use it to participate in scientific research or economic activity. People with a long enough memory can tell you about how Japanese was in a similar situation during the 80's, and before that French and German were the overachiever stamps. I have a feeling a lot of the "CHINA STRONK!" rhetoric will age about as well as the Yellow Scare back then did, pic somewhat related.

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No. It's an unnecessarily baroque language with an extremely inefficient and inconvenient writing system. Like Egyptian hieroglyphics, written Chinese was established by an elite class of court scribes who defended their own importance and interest by obfuscating the written word.

Spoken Chinese is a pain in the ass for non-tonal speakers to learn. It's not amazingly complicated, but it's enough of a hassle that English wins out as the easiest common language.

Post more chinese qt's

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>ebonics is now part of the american curriculum

HAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm sorry....

>Oh poor you, hurt your pretty little brain

This is a common pretension among native Chinese speakers. Meanwhile, they all have character amnesia, which in their non-phonetic written system causes huge problems without the pinyin crutch.

哈哈大笑

一定不会吧

I absolutely can't wait for China's private and municipal debt bubble to pop. You can only outrun the economic laws of gravity for so long.

Oh look, monolingual gweilos commenting on things they literally cannot fathom.

Dude what? Have things really gotten that bad?

Oh if you want some tales from the American education system I could talk all day, I really think that we could probably go down to a four or even three hour school day and get the same amount of education done. For example
>every history unit will have something on "blacks and women in X"
Seriously there will be these attempts to dress up relatively minor people as important just so the teacher can harass the one black kid in the class and be like "see look at this guy who had the same skin as you! he was totally as important as George Washington!"
>almost every book read in English is a persecution narrative
>you will study the civil rights movement a million fucking times
>lazy teachers love to put movies on
I swear to god we watched Osmosis Jones in 8th grade biology
>fast food places like McDonalds and Pizza Hut get to sell in the cafeteria
>couldn't play dodge ball in gym because it made the fat kids feel bad
>had to stack cups
I will say our math was pretty normal, but I think that's because I was in a higher placement than most of the shit kids so it was relatively free from disruption. Also I think it's kind of hard to squeeze the holocaust or slavery into math, even if you write all the problems as "jimmy the racis cracker has 50 slaves, each can pick cotton at x rate and he has x fields, how many can he sell and still get the crop in?" you still have to do the problem.

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我*在*學習中文。

> simplified communist runes
> wrong grammatical tense
> no period at the of sentence

14/100

Write it out 50 times and hand it in tomorrow.

Yeah, there was one book in the HS curriculum that had ebonics in it. Before we started reading it, the teach spent some time teaching us the basics of ebonics. The narration was still in standard English but the character dialogue was all ebonics.

the teacher***

> English
> Easy

Half of the fucking words don't pronounce the way they are spelled because they are French or something. I distinctly remember the Greeks telling me modern Greek is a rational language because the spelling and pronunciation are in harmony. A shame they didn't teach you barbarians that.

ching a chong a ching chong a chao?

This is supposed to be the sound of rustling maple leaves?

Ho Ho

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no

chinese is non-alphabetic isn't it?
they use pictograms like the ayyy lmaos

in chinese that means: woman go down to rite aid and get me a six pack and some lottery tickets the 10 dollar ones not the bullshit 2 dollar ones

Chinese are a race of uncreative autistic helots with no significant history of art or literature. There is no reason to learn Chinese because the Chinese people are biologically incapable of generating novel or interesting ideas.

drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/2015/09/asians-bright-but-not-curious.html

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even the chinese think mandarin sucks as a language.

Literally no point learning Mandarin unless you really like poor quality steel

How did such a creative and noble race get enslaved by Jews and raped by all kinds of inferior races? Seems "creativity" is overrated.

>will this incredibly difficult, arbitrary tonal language with over 100,000 letters, and almost zero linguistic similarity with any other language on Earth, become the next lingua franca in the 75 IQ blacked future?

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Re educate all chinese to learn trad / cantonese

They have their own version of mandarin

Jews haven't even started on you yet. Even some mild unintended overflow of the ideological weapons which kikes have deployed against us was enough to get Chinese to burn their heritage and kill a substantial proportion of their population. Once kikes are directly targeting Asia, your civilization won't last a decade.

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The great firewall of china is literally a jew blocking system. then people meme le free speech against it. The chinks overtly say we are run by jews against our will.

you can actually get by with basic English grammar when speaking Chinese, but yeah niggers are dumb

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maybe not now, but in 200 years who knows

Chinese in a sinister way admire Jews and how their diaspora has controlled the western world, and they are already adopting their tactics. You can see this in Canada and Australia and even in Southern Europe where Chinks are gaining control of "Pig" countries such as Portugal and Greece through economic involvement/Jewry as well as through control of culture.

No, it won't. The writing system alone guarantees that.

Only the chõsen race could invent something so beautiful.

I'd like to lingua her franca

>The great firewall of china is literally a jew blocking system
China is allowed to function for now, but when the time comes it will take only a few years of exposure to a single kike media outlet to drive China into freefall civilizational collapse.
>and they are already adopting their tactics.
Chinese are autistic and have biologically low verbal IQ's. Chinese are the opposite of Jews, they are blunt, transparent, unsociable and verbally retarded. Asians would pose no challenge to Europeans if we were free of our civilizational parasite.

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European goyim are pretty retarded desu.

Ashkenazi Jews are responsible for most advancements in science.

Even Wernher von Braun stole his ideas from Jewish scientists that were imprisoned by the Nazis.

>Korean has only 8 letters

it sounds funny and the people look weak, so no.

little question, does English sound funny to other languages?

russian, german, and most of the european languages sound good.

no
writing system is too complex to learn easily or be used reliably by sls
compared to western languages having too simple writing systems meaning you can write things horribly wrong and still have them be understandable

>little question, does English sound funny to other languages?
it used to but then I got used to it

Ashkenazim are a eugenically bred parasitic merchant clan whose ancestry is largely derived from European peoples. Overall, only a small fraction of Western intellectual output is generated by Ashkenazim.

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Probably.

Don't expect it to be taught in public schools in the U.S., though. You're stuck with Spanish in every school because it's more (((diverse)))

Not all accomplishments hold the same weight.

I'm much more impressed by someone developing the theory of general relativity than some random goy who noticed that moving a conductor through a magnetic field generates a voltage

Lived in Beijing years ago and this was a problem for lots of people in their 20s, probably even worse now.

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I hope not, it sounds very ugly.
It would be better if it was japanese, as 80s cyberpunk promised me.

My choice: Latin

i'm sure 56% of you is very happy then

Einstein is a Jewish media accomplishment more than a Jewish scientific accomplishment.

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