Ask your questions on Islam

Hey. I was born in France but from Moroccan origins.

To be honest, I have nothing against Arab christians (or any human in fact). I believe each human has basic rights granted by God (such as property, liberty of trade, etc.) and anybody denying these rights must be punished, whatever the victim religion or the aggressor religion.

Yes your pic related is true. You can find more details here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad

There have also been a friendly relationship with the Christan king of Abyssinia during the early times of Islam. See this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_to_Abyssinia

You have this movie on Muhammed life in English: dailymotion.com/video/x2ewzp3

Muslims don't believe the Torah and the Holy Bible were sent by God. Would be stupid, since they were written by men. As the Quran was written by a pedophile Bedouin.
You talk about sunnism and call it Islam.

Didn't understood your question.

Why God would have a son?

Quelle est votre position sur les conditions neurologiques comme être incapable de percevoir avec l'œil de l'esprit?

ما هو موقفك من الأمراض العصبية مثل عدم القدرة على إدراك عين العقل؟

Is it true men and women are kept separate at work, and can’t touch unless related? I would support that.

What do Muslims think about western degeneracy, specifically women’s immodest dress (yoga pants)

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False idol worship exists even in Christianity.

There is only one version of the book, so there is little room for interpretation as the Quran is quite clear if you read it.

Nope, we believe God has sent four books to humans: the Torah sent to Moses, the Gospel sent to Jesus, the Zabur sent to David and the Quran sent to Muhammed.

After times, these books have been falsified to add innovations. Such example would be usury made licit by the jews or saying that Jesus is son of God.

What are you doing in Europe? You have to go back.

Why do you hate freedom?

God doesn't have a son, god is the son.

Promiscuity is to be avoided between men and women. But I think men and women can work in the same workplace.

Yoga pants would not be weared by a Muslim woman as it is indecent.

[Quran 24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to God, O you believers, that you may succeed.

[Quran 33:59] O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall LENGTHEN their garments. Thus, they will be recognized and avoid being insulted. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[Quran 33:55] The women may relax (their dress code) around their fathers, their sons, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, the other women, and their (female) servants. They shall reverence God. God witnesses all things.
[Quran 24:60] The elderly women who do not expect to get married commit nothing wrong by relaxing their dress code, provided they do not reveal too much of their bodies. To maintain modesty is better for them. God is Hearer, Knower.

I mean, I still do not understand your question. What do you mean by "mind's eye"?

Good question. I am quite tired to pay 70% of my income in taxes to pay welfare for a bunch of lazy people to be honest.

I’d probably have a wife if I was Muslim.

Can Muslim women marry non Muslims? I feel like I can’t fit in with any religion. I’m not against religion or an atheist. But I just feel like I never fit in anywhere and am an outlier.

All depend of your definition of freedom.

We love freedom. Personally, I am quite right-wing as I believe in personal liberties, few taxes and property rights .

Now I also believe in God. So I am against degeneracy, homosexuality, women walking naked, pornography, etc. If this is your definition of freedom, then yeah, you can say we do not like that.

The fuck do you mean

Do you hate Europeans? By 'Europeans' I mean native Euros, not imported ones. Remember: lying is haram. Taqqyia is only allowed when in danger.

The rule is Muslim men can marry a Muslim, Christian or Jew woman.

Muslim women must marry a Muslim man.

Personally, I am married for 3 years now, since I was 21. Quite happy.

What do you say you feel like an outlier? Being religious means you believe in God, but you can still do whatever you want among what God allows.

So you can't interpret the Quran since it was written by God's hand, yet Muhammad interprets biblical verses in the Quran (i.e. the arrival of Muhammad) and many Hadiths also interpret it.
In Islam Jesus/Issa is still the messiah.
Question : I know when there is a contradiction, verses from Medina win against verses from Mecca. What about contradiction between hadith sahih and Quran?

I am quite grateful to France for the education they provided to me. To be honest, I would love arab countries to have less corruption and to follow a European model (without all the socialism non-sense).

I have nothing against native euros, many of them are my friends.

What do you think about the way many of your fellow Muslims behave in our countries?

>For a Muslim, God is an entity which cannot represented by the human brain and any representation of God would be false (this is the reason we do not picture God). God is the creator of this Universe, he is One and Incomparable, is Merciful and Omniscient with knowledge of all things, including thoughts and feelings. I know that for many atheists, God is a kind of old man in the sky. This is absolutely false in Islam

Asalamualakum Akhi.
Ash'ari or Ath'ari?
Sunni or Shia?
If Sunni, what madhab?
Salafiyyah?
JazakAllah

>Muslim women must marry a Muslim man.
Hypocrites

What is your opinion on why there is such a high number of crimes commited by migrants in europe, you guys seem otherwise so strickt when it comes to that ?

I have a strange mind, and I think my life has corrobated this because I’m always stood out in all phases of my life. I’m mid 30s. I don’t know how to describe it. It’s not an outsider in the sense of being bullied. I cannot relate to other people, although I am quite friendly and people tell me I’m nice.

I could go to a mosque and read the Koran and try, but I’d feel phony at some point. I feel like I have the spirit of a hermetic monk and should live in the woods alone. I even tried for a period being around degenerate, party people, although I never engaged in anything degenerate myself. I just thought maybe I’m so lonely and depressed because I’m uptight and don’t do these things. I even thought maybe I’m gay because I can’t seem to be desired by women. I am not afraid to talk to women, and say I’d average in looks... not a chad but not repulsive. But I’m just not gay.

I am an artist and I understand and find beauty in Islamic tiles. I would love to make them. I need to find my purpose. I make art but feel like no one sees it.

First, I am interested you give me an example of a contradiction between a Medina and a Mecca verse.

There is no interpretation of biblical verses in the Quran.

Quran is the word of God. Hadith is just a human testimony of what the Prophet has said. If there is a contradiction between a hadith and the Quran, then it means the hadith is false.

When you read the Quran, you directly read the word of God.
When you read a hadith, you read that X has said that Y has said that the Prophet said something. The idea is to have an idea of how the Prophet behaved. But they can be false.

Example of Quran:
Indeed, your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne, arranging the matter [of His creation]. There is no intercessor except after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Then will you not remember?

Example of hadith:
Narrated Al-A`mash:
When we were with Ibrahim, we talked about mortgaging in deals of Salam. Ibrahim narrated from Aswad that `Aisha had said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) bought some foodstuff on credit from a Jew and mortgaged an iron armor to him."

Yeah but race mixing is fine

>French flag
Checks out. Burn in hell you worshiper of Satan.

La creatura

I will talk about France as I do not know how it works in other European countries.

You had a huge arab (muslim) immigration in the 60s-70s in France. These guys do not bring so much trouble, however they stayed and they had children and these children are bringing troubles and crime. So it is not so much immigration which brings problem but most the sons of the last immigration vague.

Most of these guys doing crimes are drinking alcohol, selling drugs, listening music talking about crime and sex. So they are basically not Muslims, but like to say so because they come from a Muslim background.

For me, the reason such disorder is possible is due to French socialists basically trying to find excuses each time a "minority" does a crime instead of let him rot in jail.

Then on the current migrant crisis, from what I understood, most of these "migrants" are not even Syrian. But I do not have an opinion on that as I didn't really follow the news.

But in any case, apply shariah: if a migrant or even a native is stealing, cut a hand. If somebody kill or rape, kill him. When a guy is selling drugs, put him in jail. Also cut welfare because there is no reason the government is stealing so much income from workers to give it to lazy people sitting on their ass in front of the TV. It is even an insult to hard working people to do that.

Absolutely disgusted. These savages are hypocrites

16-67 is abrogated by 2-219, since the second is the most recent. The rule is nâsikh and mansûkh, it's well known (16-101).

Agree. I think we just need to remove all leftists and put people in charge that can put these monkeys in jail.

By the way, one the sign of the end of the times is that there is no longer justice and degeneracy is spread over the world.

Oh boy, this will be a long one boys,let's start with this one
Games that Muslims play:

>Muslims are only allowed to kill in self-defense (ie. when their lives are at immediate risk).

This game often involves finding a verse from the Quran that authorizes fighting in self-defense, and then disingenuously slipping in the word "only" to make it appear as if Muslims are limited by this condition.

The Quran certainly gives Muslims permission to fight in self-defense, but it is not the only circumstance under which they may take the lives of others. Fighting is urged in other places "until all religion is for Allah". The faithful are told to fight unbelievers who offer resistance to Islamic rule, until they are subjugated.

The myth of killing only in self-defense is easily disproven from the accounts of Muhammad’s own life. His career of violence began with raids on merchant caravans traveling between Syria and Mecca. His men would usually sneak up on unsuspecting drivers and kill those who defended their goods. There was no self-defense involved (on the part of the Muslims, at least). This was old-fashioned armed robbery and murder – sanctioned by Allah (according to Muhammad, who also demanded a fifth of the loot for himself).

The first true battle that Muhammad fought was at Badr, when a Meccan army of 300 was sent out to protect the caravans from Muslim raids. The Meccans did not threaten Muhammad, and (turning this Muslim myth on its ear) only fought in self-defense after they were attacked by the Muslims. Following the battle, Muhammad established the practice of executing surrendered captives – something that would be repeated on many other occasions.

The significance of this episode can hardly be overstated, because it sets in motion a long chain of Muslim violence that eventually passed through the heart of America on 9/11. The early Muslims were not being threatened by those whom they attacked, and certainly not by those whom they had captured. They staged aggressive raids to eventually provoke war, just as al-Qaeda attempts to do in our time.

Muslims try to justify Muhammad's violence by claiming that he and his followers “suffered persecution” at the hands of the Meccans in earlier episodes. It is true that Muhammad was evicted from the city of Mecca and had to seek refuge at Medina. But even the worst of this persecution did not rise to the level of killing. Nor were Muhammad and his Muslims in any danger in their new home of Medina. They were free to get on with their lives.

Even Muhammad’s men evidently questioned whether they should be pursuing and killing people who did not pose a threat to them, since it seemed to contradict earlier, more passive teachings. To convince them, Muhammad passed along a timely revelation from Allah stating that “the persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter [of non-Muslims]” (Sura 2:191). This verse established the tacit principle that the authority of Muslims is of higher value than the very lives of unbelievers. There is no larger context of morality against which acts are judged. All that matters is how an event impacts or benefits Muslims who follow Islam.

Under Muhammad, slaves and poets were executed, captives were beheaded and adulterers were put into the ground and stoned. None of this was during the heat of battle or necessitated by self-defense.

In addition to the Quran's instruction of violence against unbelievers and non-practicing Muslims (sura 9), Islamic law mandates death for certain crimes such as blasphemy and apostasy. How does killing a blasphemer, an adulterer or someone who leaves Islam qualify as self defense?

Following his death, Muhammad’s companions stormed the Christian world - taking the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe. They attacked and conquered to the east as well, including Persia, Central Asia, and into the Indian sub-continent. Few, if any, of these campaigns involved even the pretense of self-defense. They were about Jihad.

>All verses of violence were issued during times of war. Critics engage in “cherry-picking” (pulling verses out of context to support a position, and ignoring others) to discredit Islam.
>This leaves the impression that the Quran is full of verses of peace, tolerance and universal brotherhood, with only a small handful that say otherwise. The "exceptions" are embedded in context with obvious constraints which bind it to a particular place and time (as is usually the case with violent passages from the Old Testament).

It isn't the verses of violence that are rare; it's the ones of peace and tolerance. The latter were also narrated at an earlier time in Muhammad's life and superseded by what came later. Neither is the "historical context" of these verses of violence all that obvious from the surrounding text in many cases.

The last chapters of the Quran to be narrated by Muhammad are the more violent. Worse, the historical context is that Muslims had total power at the time and were not being persecuted or attacked. In fact, the verses order believers to "be harsh" to the unbelievers and Muslims who are peaceful or non-practicing (verse 9:73), and even to fight Christians and Jews into a state of submission (verse 9:29). There is nothing in the text to indicate that this is based on anything other than their status as non-Muslims.

These are not the teachings of a religion of peace. Thus, the apologists are forced to play games, such as "inventing" historical context, pulling "textual context" from an entirely different part of the Quran, or pretending that the true meaning can't be translated to non-Arabic speakers (or to non-Muslims, when native Arabic speakers agree with the translation, as they usually do).

A perfect book from a perfect god should be easy to understand. In the Quran, constructs and topics are jumbled into a random mess, with little consistency or coherent stream of thought. This is underscored by the fact that few Qurans are printed without extensive commentary which often exceeds the size of the original "revelation." In other words, it takes more space to explain what Allah is really trying to say.

Although Muslim apologists often mitigate verses of violence with non-intuitive references to passages in other parts of the Quran, not all believers are as determined to force the word of Allah into a separate moral framework. It is unclear why a perfect book from a perfect god would so often leave sensitive topics like killing and child rape open to human interpretation.

Back to historical context. It's true that references to the external Hadith and early biographies of Muhammad’s life determine when a Quranic verse was narrated and what it may have meant to the Muslims at the time. This allows apologists to opportunistically dismiss the passages they don't like by insisting that they are really just a part of history and not intended to be present-day imperatives.

But “historical context” cuts both ways. If any verse is a product of history, then they all are. Indeed, there is not a verse in the Quran that was not given at a particular time to address a particular situation in Muhammad’s life, whether he wanted to conquer the tribe next door and needed a “revelation” from Allah spurring his people to war, or if he needed the same type of “revelation” to satisfy a lust for more women (free of complaint from his existing stable of wives).

Here is the irony of the “cherry-picking” argument: Those who use “historical context” against their detractors nearly always engage in cherry-picking of their own by choosing which verses they apply “historical context” to and which they prefer to hold above such tactics of mitigation.

Context may be the most popular and disingenuous game that Muslims like to play. Simply put, the apologists appeal to context only when they want it to be there. They ignore context when it proves inconvenient. An example of the latter would be the many times in which verse 2:256 is isolated and offered as proof of religious tolerance (in contradiction to Muhammad's later imposition of the jizya and the sword).

Islamic purists do not engage in such games. Not only do they know that the verses of Jihad are more numerous and authoritative (abrogating earlier verses), they hold the entire Quran to be the eternal and literal word of Allah... and this is what often makes them so dangerous.

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>no Mohamed getting fucked by allah
i'm disappointed Jow Forums

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Quran 16:67
(16:67) And out of the fruits of date-palms and grapes you derive intoxicants as well as wholesome sustenance.55 Surely there is a sign for those who use reason.

This means that from the same fruit, you can have an intoxicant or a juice. It's like if I am telling you, you can make wine or grape juice from grapes.

2:219
They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.

Here it says that wine and gambling is haram.

Let's talk about "Hate Propaganda"

The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth
The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:
The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)
Not all men are equal under Islam. Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76). The Quran introduces the “Law of Equality,” which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:
Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Is the blind equal to the one who sees Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221 speaking of a prospective wife)
The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)
As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40).

Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter. Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

If that's Islam I'm sold

The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)
Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians. His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662, Sahih Muslim 34:6448). Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives. The Quran encourages segregation and enimity and tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)
The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them. The reasoning is found in the verse prior to this (48:28), which simply says that Islam is superior over all other religions.

Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)
The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others. Now you know why.

The Quran Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
and Says that They are Vile Animals
The Ayatollah Khomeini, who dedicated his entire life to studying Islam, said that non-Muslims rank somewhere between "feces" and the "sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food." Small wonder. The Quran dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals” and beasts:
Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness.

Verse 7:179 says they are like "cattle" only worse.

Verse 9:28 says the unbelievers are unclean.

Verse 6:111 says they are ignorant.

Verse 23:55 says they are helpers of the devil.

Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65.

A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad.

According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be owned as property by Muslims, but - in keeping with Islam's supremacist message - a fellow Muslim should never be (unless they convert to Islam after they are enslaved).

Christians and Jews are not considered fully human in Islam. The penalty for killing one of them is limited to one-third of the compensation due for unintentionally killing a Muslim. Muhammad made it clear that a believer cannot be put to death for killing a non-believer, since they are not equal (see Conclusion). Thus, killing kafir is less serious than engaging in a consenting sexual relationship outside of marriage.

The Quran Says that Allah does NOT Love Unbelievers
Christianity teaches that God loves all people, but hates sin. The Quran never says this. Instead it explicitly declares that Allah does not love those who do not believe in him:
He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)
Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad (at least according to Muhammad, who provided the "narration"):
Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. (3:32)
Instead of a god that loves the sinner, even while hating the sin, the wrath of Allah is placed squarely on the individual:
Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)
Verses 11:118-199 say that Allah does not bestow mercy on everyone. For this reason, he chooses not to guide some people:
And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. (16:9)
In fact, he tells Satan to lead the unbelievers to destruction:
And lead to destruction those whom you can with your (seductive) voice (17:64)
For those whom Allah does not love, there will be the most terrible of eternal torments, including eternal roasting:
Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (4:56)
"Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98) and, as we shall see, he hates them so much that he even leads them into sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their fate.

The Quran Says that Non-Muslims are
Destined for Eternal Torture in Hell
Although nowhere does the Quran say that Allah loves those who don’t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10 Shakir: "firewood of hell")
As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah’s angels on his command:
“O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded.” (66:6)
It doesn’t matter how many good deeds an unbeliever does, because they count for nothing with Allah:
The parable of those who reject their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a tempestuous day: No power have they over aught that they have earned (14:18)
Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds? Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works? They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight. That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest. (18:103-106)

Muhammad told his people that anyone who rejects his claim to be a prophet will go to Hell:
Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His messengers and say: ‘We believe in some and disbelieve in others’, and desire to take a course between (this and) that. These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement. And those who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them-- Allah will grant them their rewards (4:150-152)
In Christianity, punishment in the hereafter is directly tied to sin and ‘wickedness.’ There is relatively little said about Hell, but the emphasis is on personal suffering for selfish or cruel deeds. In Islam, Hell is a punishment for merely not believing Muhammad’s personal claims about himself. In contrast to the Bible, every 12th verse of the Quran speaks of Hell and vividly describes Allah’s wrath on unbelievers:
But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. (22:19-22)
No one could torture a person in this way without hating them intensely. Neither can Allah’s intense loathing for unbelievers help but affect the Muslim attitude toward those outside the faith.

The personal superiority of Muslims is confirmed by the contrasting picture painted in so many places in the Quran in which they are rewarded with the greatest of earthly comforts in heaven, while the unbelievers concurrently suffer horrible torment (see Sura 56:12 for just one example).

Allah Himself Prevents Non-Muslims from Understanding
It would make no sense if Allah gave the people that he hates an opportunity to avoid his wrath. The Quran says that Allah deliberately puts obstacles in the way of unbelievers to keep them from accepting the truth:

If Allah wished, he could provide guidance to every soul:
If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance (32:13)
But, instead he sets a veil over the hearts and coverings over their ears:
Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance. (18:57) – See also 17:46 & 45:23
Allah even uses chains and barriers to prevent unbelievers from believing:
Certainly the word has proved true of most of them, so they do not believe. Surely We have placed chains on their necks, and these reach up to their chins, so they have their heads raised aloft. And We have made before them a barrier and a barrier behind them, then We have covered them over so that they do not see. And it is alike to them whether you warn them or warn them not: they do not believe. (36:7-10)
For the same purpose, Allah also fills the hearts of unbelievers with doubt:
No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand (10:100)

Allah Actually Causes Non-Muslims to Sin
Not content with merely preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth (which is enough to condemn them to Hell) the Quran says that a hateful Allah also causes unbelievers to commit the very sin that he will later punish them for:
And if Allah please He would certainly make you a single nation, but He causes to err whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases; and most certainly you will be questioned as to what you did (16:93)
Although Satan tempts Muslims, it is Allah himself who causes unbelievers to err.
…and whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall not find a way for him. (4:143, see also 4:88 and 74:31)
Allah intentionally sends the people that he hates astray:
…and Allah sendeth him astray purposely, and sealeth up his hearing and his heart, and setteth on his sight a covering? Then who will lead him after Allah (hath condemned him)? Will ye not then heed? (45:23)
Allah even sends demons to inspire unbelievers to commit further bad deeds (that he can later hold against them):
See thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury? (19:83)
According to verse 3:54, Allah plots and schemes against unbelievers using deceit (the literal meaning of makara, the word used). Elsewhere, the Quran explains that Allah tricks unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good deeds, when, in fact, they are merely deepening their own eternal punishment with bad deeds:
As to those who do not believe in the hereafter, We have surely made their deeds fair-seeming to them, but they blindly wander on. (27:4) See also 39:23, 6:39, 35:8, 13:27 & 14:4)

Allah recruits Satan to join Him into fooling unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good:
On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them. (6:43)
The joke is on non-Muslims, of course, who will protest on Judgment Day that they did everything they thought was right – but are sent to Hell anyway:
Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knows all that ye did; "So enter the gates of Hell, to dwell therein. (16:28-29)

The Quran Says that Non-Muslims Should Not be Taken as Friends
Given that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he would prevent them from knowing the truth, cause them to err and then condemn them to eternal torture for their unbelief and misdeeds, it would make little sense if he intended Muslims to treat unbelievers by the same standards that they treat each other here on earth.

The Quran says that no true Muslim would ever love anyone who resists Islam, even if it is a family member:
You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers... (58:22)
There are at least nine places in the Quran where believers are warned not to befriend non-Muslims:
O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? (4:144)
In fact, anyone who does take a non-Muslim as a friend could be accused of being an unbeliever as well:
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)
Note that Christians, according to the Quran, are included in the ranks of "unbelievers":
They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary (5:17)
Muhammad said that unbelievers have it out for Muslims. They may appear harmless or friendly, but, in reality, they harbor corruption and evil intentions:
O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse (3:118)

For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)

As for them, they are but plotting a scheme (86:15)

Those outside of Islam are really helpers of evil against Allah:
The Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord! (25:55)
The Quran says that "hostility and hate" will exist between Muslims and infidels "for ever" until the latter "believe in Allah alone." (60:4)

Instead of befriending non-Muslims, the Quran encourages hostility. Muslims are ordered to fight unbelievers:
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. (9:123)
The Quran tells Muslims that they will spend eternity laughing at unbelievers (83:34) and mocking their suffering as they are tortured in Hell:
And the dwellers of the garden will call out to the inmates of the fire: Surely we have found what our Lord promised us to be true; have you too found what your Lord promised to be true? They will say: Yes. Then a crier will cry out among them that the curse of Allah is on the unjust. (7:44) – Muhammad got an early start on this by personally mocking his dead enemies following the Battle of Badr (Ibn Ishaq 454)
One does not befriend those over whose suffering they will later rejoice, nor does it make any sense that Muslims would befriend those whom the Quran labels "enemies of Allah" by virtue of their unbelief.

You're overinterpretating. What about the verse stating that other verses can be abrogated, despite being told by God?
Also, sourate 9 cancels all previous dispositions towards pagans, jews, Christians and other associators (not sure of the term, my Quran is in French). Including 2-256.
Another question, who are gog and magog, since I don't know any country or people having this name? Where are they? Where is the wall?
Please apologize my lack of argumentation, I'm currently on my phone.

The Quran Says that Other Religions are Cursed by Allah
Buddhists in Thailand, Jews in Israel, Christians in Indonesia, Hindus in India... Why is Islam at war with every major world religion, when none of these religions are at war with each other? Part of the reason is that the Quran is specific about the inferiority of other faiths relative to Islam (see 61:9) and the hatred that Allah harbors for their people.

Although religious Muslims typically become upset when someone “insults” their religion, here is what the Quran says about Jews and Christians:
The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30) (See also Bukhari 8:427), one of the last things Muhammad ever said on his deathbed was "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians.”)
The Quran specifically addresses Christians, Jews, Polytheists (Hindus) and atheists:

Christians are disbelievers (98:5-6) and blasphemers (5:17, 5:73) who have invented a lie about Allah (10:68-69) by ascribing partners to Allah (ie. the Trinity). Inventing a lie about Allah is the worst of sins (7:37, 29:68) and for this reason Christians are condemned to Hell (10:70). Although one (early Medinan) verse seems to say that righteous Christians will go to heaven, this is abrogated by later verses that make it very clear that Christians must cease being Christian (ie. reject the Trinity) or suffer eternal torment for their beliefs (5:72-73).

Jews are also cursed by Allah (5:13), in one of his final 'pronouncements'. The Quran goes on to assure Muslims that Jews are wicked (4:160-162) – so wicked, in fact, that they have somehow managed to do the impossible (18:27) and alter the word of Allah (2:75). Jews are “fond of lies” and “devour the forbidden” (5:42); they are the worst enemies of Muslims (5:82). (See Robert Spencer's list of Quran verses that breed hate for Jewish people).

The Quran assures believers that Jews and Christians have “diseased hearts” (5:52). Allah even takes credit for the enmity between them (5:14). Only Jews and Christians who submit to Islamic subjugation and pay the Jizya are protected in this world (9:29 & Ibn Ishaq 956).

Hindus are polytheists. Although Muhammad didn’t know any Hindus (and neither did Allah, apparently) the Quran still manages to lay the groundwork for the 1000-year ethnic cleansing campaign against the Hindu people that is estimated to have taken tens of millions of innocent lives. In Islam, polytheists are worse than all other religion. Those who join idols (11:14) to Allah also invent a lie about Him (29:17) and will burn in Hell. Even believing in other divine entities along with Allah is an unforgivable crime (4:48, 40:12).

Atheists believe in no god, which is even worse than believing in the wrong one (Muhammad and his successors had atheists put to death - Bukhari 84:57). Merely questioning the existence of Allah is a testament to one’s impiety (25:21), even as Muslim narcissism is encouraged in the Quran. Muhammad always answered probing questions merely by telling the inquiring party that they would go to Hell if they didn’t believe in him (36:49-64). The Quran discourages Muslims from intellectual inquiry (5:101-102).

Yeah or any imam can call for bombing/terrorising others saying they are enemies of islam

Any Muslim who gives up his religion is a “perverted transgressor” (3:82). Perverted as well is anyone who denies Allah (40:63) or does not believe Muhammad (2:99). Freedom of conscience does not exist in Islam. Muhammad clearly prescribed the death penalty for apostates (Bukhari 52:260).

While contemporary Muslim apologists often speak of “dialogue” (meaning a unilateral arrangement in which they tell you about Islam while you listen) the Quran speaks of Jihad instead:
Listen not to the unbelievers, but strive (Jihad) against them with the utmost strenuousness. (25:52)
What would be the point in hearing anything a non-Muslim has to say... or even talking with them for that matter? Allah has already sealed their hearts and condemned them to Hell:
As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom (2:6)
For those wondering why Allah would even make infidels if their ultimate destination is Hell, Muhammad said that the purpose of some (Jews and Christians, at least) was to take the place of Muslims, so that they would not suffer there (Sahih Muslim 6666).

The Quran Says that People of Other Religions are to be Violently Punished in This World
Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)? )? About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)
Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. (66:9, See also 9:73, and 9:123 - "Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you")
Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:
…He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter… (13:33-34)
There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers." Verse 3:56, bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).

The Quran tells Muslims thate Quran tells Muslims that Allah uses them to violently punish others:
Fight them, them by your hands and bring them to disgrace... (9:14)
Verse 4:102 says Allah has prepared a humiliating torment for the disbelievers. Narrations from Muhammad's life show little distinction between punishment from Allah violence from at the hands of faithful Muslims.

Allah could slay unbelievers himself, but he makes it a test for Muslims to prove their faith:
"If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, by means of others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost" 47:4)
One of the most violent chapters in the Quran charters Muhammad and his followers with making Islam "superior over all religions" (9:33 - so important that it is repeated in 48:28 and 61:9).

As noted, verse 8:55 compares unbelievers to animals. In keeping with this theme, the passage goes on to encourage Muslims to gain "mastery" over them and severely punish those who disobey, so as to intimidate the rest:
So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson " (8:57).
In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:
And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)
Muslims are told that Allah "loves those who fight in his way" to make Islam "victorious over all other religions, even though the disbelievers resist" (61:4-11). Those who do resist Islam will be humiliated:
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated. (58:20 - The context for this verse is the eviction of the Jewish tribes of Medina and the confiscation of their wealth, land, and children by Muhammad).

Those with "diseased hearts" - which include Christians and Jews according to 5:52 - are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter" (33:60-62) al) along with "hypocrites" (Muslims who are judged not to be true believers by their associations with unbelievers or their unwillingness to engage in Jihad).

Non-Muslims are to be encroached on, pressured and punished by the Muslims:
See that we gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? (13:41 - See also 21:44)

We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not. (68:44)

And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things. (33:27, See also Bukhari 53:392)
Allah will grant Muslims authority and power over all other people:
Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion... (24:55)
(Muhammad's companions continued to self-fulfill this prophecy with an aggressive and senseless military expansion that left a trail of bodies from Spain to India).

Allah provides instructions to Muslims for dealing with unbelievers who are unwilling to accept Islamic rule:
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)

Defeating non-Muslims should be easy for true believers because they are superior in intelligence and understanding:
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence (8:65)
Other verses of violence may be found here.

Remember, the Quran says that all men are not equal according to Islam. This even applies to Muslims, with regard to their aggressiveness toward unbelievers. Those who kill or are killed on behalf of Islam are more pleasing to Allah:
Not equal are those of the believers who sit at home... and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives" (4:95)

I'm Lebanese and I don't even think I could answer any of those. I'm Sunni, that's all I know.

Conclusion
The pattern of violence and aggressive disregard for human suffering that is persistent in Muslim history and contemporary attitude toward non-believers reflects the message of the Quran, which is one of group superiority and arrogance.

In today's world, Muslim dominance is characterized by the oppression and discrimination of non-Muslims, while Muslim minorities within larger societies are distinguished by varying degrees of petulant demand, discord and armed rebellion. Few Muslims are uncomfortable with this blatant double standard, in which Islam either plays the victim or unapologetically victimizes others, depending on its position of power - and the reason is obvious.

Islam is a supremacist ideology in which the role of non-believers is subordinate to the position of Muslims. Those who resist Islamic rule are to be fought until they are either killed or fully humiliated and forced to acknowledge their inferior status by converting to Islam or by paying a poll-tax and otherwise accepting the subjugation of their own religion.

There is simply no other religion on earth that draws such sharp distinction between its own members and others, or devotes as much of its holiest text toward condemning and dehumanizing those who merely choose not to follow its dogma.

So much about Islamic terrorism and the general indifference of the broader Muslim community toward the violence makes sense only against this dual nature of Islam - as does the strange willingness of Muhammad's followers to tolerate their own subjugation under Ottoman or Arab tyrants, such as Saddam Hussein, while being violently opposed to a Jewish neighbor state.

The apologists are correct in saying that Islam teaches love and kindness, but they fail to add that this applies only to the treatment of those within the Muslim community. Loyalty to one's own identity group is valued above all else and empathy for those outside the faith is optional at best - and even explicitly discouraged in places.

If this is a "misunderstanding" of Islam by modern-day "radicals," then it is an error that the founder of Islam made as well. In Muhammad's time, non-Muslims were put to death merely for speaking out against the new religion and its self-proclaimed prophet. Likewise, the Jews of Qurayza were summarily rounded-up and executed on Muhammad's order, even though they had not even fought in battle. Since the life of a non-Muslim is cheap, actual physical harm to a Muslim is not necessary to justify murder according to the example of Muhammad.

The Quran meets every criterion by which we define hate speech. Not only does the message inspire loathing and disregard for others, but the text mandates the superiority of Islam, even if the means of establishment is by violent force.

In his later years, Muhammad directed military campaigns to subjugate other tribes and religions, "inviting" them to Islam at the point of a sword and forcing them to pay tribute regardless. He set in motion the aggressive military campaigns that made war against all five major world religions in just the first few decades following his death.

Islam incorporates the ultimate devaluation of non-Muslims in the most obvious way by teaching that while a Muslim may be punished with death for murdering a fellow Muslim (Bukhari 83:17), no Muslim can be put to death for killing a non-Muslim (Bukhari 83:50, 3:111 & Sunan Ibn Majah 21:2660). The Quran’s "Law of Equality," which assigns human value and rights based on gender, religion and status, is the polar opposite of equality in the sense intended by Western liberal tradition, which ideally respects no such distinction.

One can always find apologists willing to dismiss the harsh rhetoric of the Quran with creative interpretation, tortuous explanation or outright denial, but their words and deeds almost always belie a concern for Islam's image that does not extend to Islam's victims - at least not with the same sense of urgency - thus proving the point.

Of course, there are also exceptional Muslims who do not agree with Islamic supremacy and sincerely champion secularism and respect for all people. Some even find verses or fragments of such to support their independent beliefs. But, for these people, the Quran as a whole will always be a constant challenge, since it explicitly teaches the distinct and inferior status of non-Muslims.

Hello.

Muhammad is a false prophet and a opportunist.

Joseph Smith is the true final prophet of Elohim, and his message will lead to the salvation of man. Take the Mormon-pill Jow Forums.

Thank you.

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Muslims kill and persecute christians in almost every country they're a majority in. Look at egypt rn. You are a Lebanese christian, literally the only redeemable arab. Why would u want to become islamic?

So OP, Should i paste Mohamed's Biography here or would that be too much to handle for you ?

*puts cleric as head researcher
"The sun revolves around the earth!"
If you disagree I kill you with Allahs blessing
*stays in warring state for 1400 years

I'll pass, thanks though

If you read the quran, you can see how insane muhammad was,and,how chaotic their cult is. Look on youtube for "3 things you probably don't know about islam". Go from there and read the quran and other religious texts. It's all a jumble of pure bullshit.

>to meet a social need.

Mormons and Muslims are both filthy polygamists, 3/10 troll harder newfag.

I doubt you've even read all of that. An obvious copy and paste

i did, your point ?

Islam is only about justice.
When you see news of migrants raping women in Europe, you have to know that a real Muslim ruler would put them to justice, and the punishment would be death.

Stealing, not honouring contracts, lying, cheating, raping, murdering, forcing the conversion of somebody, etc. are all forbidden in Islam.

I HAVE A LEGITIMATE QUESTION:

If Lying is important part of your religion (Taqyaa) On What basis can I believe anything you say here ?

Taqiyya is a Shi'ite thing as far as I know. I'm muslim and I never even heard of it until I started coming to Jow Forums.

>When you see news of migrants raping women in Europe, you have to know that a real Muslim ruler would put them to justice, and the punishment would be death.
Purity fallacy, first of all
>Stealing, not honouring contracts, lying, cheating, raping, murdering, forcing the conversion of somebody, etc. are all forbidden in Islam.
bullshit, that only applies against Muslims, not Disbelievers (except forcing the conversion of somebody, that one is ordained as referenced in 9:29)

Holly fuck, being lectured by some filthy islamic dog with a French flag. My (true) French, Christian brothers how can you tolerate these filthy subhumans in your glorious land. Charles Martel cries in shame from his grave.

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good stuff

Well I don't exactly mind the violence much as long as people are honest about it XD
Man, the Shiite are such shits, amirite XD

Why does Islam ruin every country it puts its feet on?

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Come on OP, debunk at least one of my posts

I don't know, I don't know anything about Shi'ites, when I was growing up, I didn't even know what the difference was.

But Jow Forums often forgets that most of us muslims are pretty ignorant of our religion ourselves and all of these weird terms are terms that ourselves have never heard before, either. Like you brought up taqiyaa, I bet if you walked down my street and asked any of the Lebos (who are muslim) what that word meant, they wouldn't have any idea.

Yes, you had verse abrogated. For example, alcohol wasn't banned at first, then it was not recommended before being banned for example. It is often to bring new rules graduately. But these abrogated verses are not in the Quran.

Surate 9:
quran.com/9

You can read the Surate in the link above. It is a basically an order to kill all the pagans who were repeatedly breaking the Hudaibiyyah Peace Treaty. You have more details here: themindofthequran.wordpress.com/2015/07/01/the-historical-context-of-surah-al-tawbah-repentance-the-9th-chapter-of-the-quran/

>Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

But it adds that you should not fight pagans which have a peace treaty and did not break it.

>Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

Also during the fightings, if a pagan is looking for protection, it must be granted:
>"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."

This do not remove previous verses. It is a behaviour to be conducted in a specific circumstance: when an non-Muslim entity is breaking a peace treaty and is attacking a muslim nation.

>But Jow Forums often forgets that most of us muslims are pretty ignorant of our religion ourselves
Thank you for saying this, this is the main reason why i don't hold grudge against "normal" muslims, like you for instance, i hate those who know the truth and still lie/defend that ideology and of course the ideology itself, it's like with communism really, a lot of commies were good people, they're just humans, I.E. not evil by their nature, it's the ideology that's corrupting, not the people

This. I've been to dozens of sermons and not once have I heard of Taqiyya. Yet everyone on Jow Forums talks about it like its some kind of mandated fundamental rule in islam. It doesn't exist anywhere. It's Jow Forums's version of the left's "you're a white male" arguement

Concerning God and Magog, from my understanding, these would be people that would appear during the end of times, after Jesus kills the Antichrist.