Nationalist economics

>Whats wrong with sending money outside the country, consuming infrastructure and SS if you're working?
exploiting the host like a leech

>White entitlement in action
lol if white people are so good then why do you need to force other white people to hire them?

What makes you think that the economy doesn't serve its nations people?

If working for an honest living is exploitation then that word is meaningless

>What makes you think that the economy doesn't serve its nations people?
In some cases it does, in some cases it doesn't.
The point is, if you want to import a horde of niggers to work on your, you need to show that this will benefit the nation's people.

There's a huge market for cheap low skilled labour in the US. Its why there are so many illegal immigrants in the first place. What could possibly be wrong with more farmhands, gardeners, cleaners etc. at a cheaper price?

>>What makes you think that the economy doesn't serve people

2008 wasn't that long ago buddy.

Neolibs, not even once

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Spending money helps your local economy to growth. Sending money outside of the country is the same as not spending money altogether. The same arguments economist have made and still do about how spending helps the economy grow you brainlet. Any population that puts the interest of their own nation and doesnt feel citizen of the world or believes on cosmoplitanism or globalism will be against foreign labor force

Because more workers gives more power to companies rather than the worker, enabling exploitative business practices and ensuring that pay doesn't have to be competitive with other businesses so that the working class remains a slave caste.

>There's a huge market for cheap low skilled labour in the US. Its why there are so many illegal immigrants in the first place. What could possibly be wrong with more farmhands, gardeners, cleaners etc. at a cheaper price?

Because it's a lie that the price is cheaper. The farmhands don't get paid enough to feed their family, but are then subsidized by our government.

On top of that, those people live in the USA. we have to live with them. Just looking at the economic situation disregards the impact that they have of the culture and atmosphere of the US.

We have automation and robots now. We don't need them.

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Why the white american christian protestants can't mow their own lawns?

:v

>Whats wrong with sending money outside the country
>non-nationalist economics

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Yeah OK Mick. Massive immigration increases the labor force thus labor becomes less valuable and wages stagnate. More people in the system then increases demand for products and services and thus prices go up. You're right Mick, rot in poverty for the economy.

Is best idea

That consumption drives up demand which creates more labor that people native or migrant can do.
It also makes shit more expensive and is stupid for somewhere with a small labor force who couldn't buy enough. Higher wages does mean more spending and stimulation but the size matters too.
Sending money outside the country helps others grow leading to more development and less migration away from those other countries into ours dummy. It's a similar story with how so many migrants just want to come work temporarily and leave but can't cause they're afraid of getting caught and punished. Ironically having stronger border security in response to these people coming in has led to more illegal immigrants staying in the country when they probably didn't want to.

And sending USD outside the US increases demand for US exports. Ultimately USD is only good for certain international transactions and for buying US goods.

There are minimum wage laws and other labour protections that prevent this. And even if these didn't exist this is a life chosen by immigrants because its better than any life they could've had in their home country.

>labor becomes less valuable and wages stagnate
But at the same time...
> increases demand for products and services and thus prices go up
Higher marginal product of labour corresponds to higher wages

>Deport low skilled workforce
>Undertake welfare reform
>End education subsidies
>Reform anti-male work and education policies
>Kids now have entry level jobs
>Entry level jobs are now more attractive than racking up education debt
>women don't want to work, and they don't want non-subsidized educational debt
>the Nation restores the family
The only think he is missing is giving subsidized loans/grants to married couples to buy American goods. For every biological kid they have 1/4 of the debt is forgiven.
>Hitler did that, and the German Economy basically fixed itself overnight.

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Not when you don't have to increase wages because more immigrants will arrive, if people try to fight for better wages, just fire them and bring in new workers.

>save the economy by freeing the workforce

Liberal logic at it again

It isn't about one being better workers it's one is willing to work for slave wages while the other needs a real paycheck because it's ludicrous to live with 13 other people in a single bedroom apartment.

> be illegal immigrant
> work under the table for less than minimum wage
wew lad

>we need cheap excess labour for a healthy economy!!!!
t. slave owners

That cheap labour is subsidized indirectly by a lack of taxation (vs the rest of the labour market), massive welfare handouts, and government corruption. It's holding back automation, which is the absolute advantage of the America. It's barbaric and only the young and elderly should be working for such cheap wages. It's just like how slavery held up the industrial revolution.

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But these new immigrants will drive labour demand as well as labour supply. Maybe someone study how wages are impacted overall

>Deport low skilled workforce
lmao why do people think this is a good idea? Hundreds of thousands of jobs in the US are low skilled, the price of everything would soar if you were to lose these people.

Also literally any comparison of Nazi Germany's economy to a modern economy can be swept away by the fact they weren't even around for two decades, the government was spending on defence and infrastructure for their entire existence and were at war for most their history. These conditions really aren't normal or sustainable for any nation.

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And what happens to nations that are not American, what happens when making other rivals economies that export the same goods as my nation does get developed thanks to foreign labor force. Helping other economies is not inherently benefitial to yours. In the other hand spending money locally will help your economy grow. A foreign labor force weakens not only your national economy but your local economy and the small business, the only nations that truly make money out of international transactions, exports and developing other economies are multinational and the big jewish rats that control them

why do you idiots think mexicans work? they're the laziest faggots on a job site. There's a reason you need 15-20 of em to paint a fucking house.

>save the economy
>deport illegal aliens, including the workers among them
>fewer employee pool means higher wages
uhhh . . . is op just a tard, or . . .

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You seem very focused on farmers hiring spics. Fruit pickers are about 4% of the illegal population. It's interesting that you'd want to focus on the poor white farmers responsible for a tiny sliver of illegal immigration instead of on the kikes pushing to give them all welfare and citizenship. It's almost like you're a fucking kike trying to slide the thread.

Why do you hate black people? That's who illegals take jobs from.

And what i meant by multionationals, i meant multinational corporation that are active in multiple countries

and yet they still make way more take home money than legal residents b/c they don't pay taxes on their income and b/c they also scam for government benefits without paying into the safety net b/c officially they are unemployed

Are you retarded? Immigrant labor and native-born labor usually aren't close substitutes. If immigrant labor and native-born labor are complementary inputs in production, immigration would in fact increase real wages and employment opportunities for native-born labor.

4% of illegals work in agriculture. Look it up.

>muh cheap veggies

Labor price rises due to less cheap foreign competition. That's rising wages ding dong.

Workers have more wages they spend more helping the entire economy.

You are dumb. You do not understand basic income and growth theory. No, "spending" doesn't help the economy grow.

What is good about a captive workforce?

>because it's ludicrous to live with 13 other people in a single bedroom apartment.
Resources have to be allocated in some way such that more productive people are better off so if the only thing you're good at is picking strawberries you simply accept the worth of your labour and what ever welfare you receive.

People making minimum wage and less receive net transfers from the government.

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wtf I hate livable wages now

>everyone who is payed for anything should be forced to be payed a living wage regardless of whether or not they want it

> Workers have more wages they spend more helping the entire economy.

You people are like Keynesians on steroids. Except not even Keynesians are dumb enough to think aggregate demand determines national income in the long-run.

How did this retarded "demand-side" economic thinking become so prevalent among laypeople and Jow Forums in particular? It has absolutely no basis in mainstream neoclassical economics.

>lmao why do people think this is a good idea?
You missed everything else I mentioned so I can assume you are not a good conceptual thinker. Further, Nationalistic policies worked in Chile and Indonesia after they purged all of their commies/anarchist. So long as you don't get baited into a war with another country Nationalist economic policies work.

Less spending → Less demand → Lower production by companies → Low demand for employees → Layoffs → Decrease in income → Further decrease in spending

The first part is the worst part, most citizens work to then pay tax to make the subsidy payments, so now were disadvantaged, and constant inflation plus wage stagnation or reduction lowers quality of life. Yay we are all third worlders now! Wonderful.

I think you confuse soverignty with entitlement.

Such a (((psy op))). Every idealogy feels like they have to care about the economy, that puts them on the back foot and wastes their time making fanciful economic arguments and makes major parties look good because they are always making the economy grow.

Fuck the economy.

People gotta eat, shit, have a house, have fun. There's your economy.

>what happens when making other rivals economies that export the same goods as my nation does get developed thanks to foreign labor force
Cheaper imports? I mean this won't ever happen because the US currently has private spaceflight firms and India produces textiles but if the US were to somehow be in direct export competition with India the solution would be to diversify your economy.

>That cheap labour is subsidized indirectly by a lack of taxation (vs the rest of the labour market), massive welfare handouts, and government corruption
Illegal immigrants don't receive welfare, everyone earning minimum wage receives on net from the government in any case. In this sense citizens have an advantage over non-citizens

>It's holding back automation, which is the absolute advantage of the America
I mean you could do all manner of retarded shit if you wanted to increase automation. Levy a payroll tax of $1M per employee and I guarantee you thousands of jobs become automated tomorrow.

Millions of rich boomers have their own illegal slaves weekly clean their house and do their yards

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>"demand-side" economic thinking
???

Business increased worker supply too high and crashed the labor market.

>net transfers
that's income tax, no? Has nothing to do the EBT/foodstamps, welfare, child support, child education, affirmative action/ government funds for illegals' higher education and paying the state and federal government employees to push all that red tape around.

every nation should have a breadth of different types of production, including both manufacturing and service sector. playing arbitrage on the costs of human labor is unethical.

gigantic multinational coorporations need to be reigned in. any entity that becomes more powerful than the nation within which it resides will subvert the government and the interests of the populace. global trade causes money to flow upward to a smaller and smaller number of people, the global elite.

globalism is a trick played on labor but a certain group of people who benefit at the expense of everyone else.

nations above corporations

Apparently, prices don't adjust in your model of the economy. Did you fail out of Econ 101? Not even the worst Keynesians are dumb enough to think demand determines output and employment in the long-run.

Wages are driven by supply AND demand. Also many of these positions simply wouldn't exist if Mexicans didn't accept the wage rates that make these positions profitable.

>You missed everything else I mentioned so I can assume you are not a good conceptual thinker
This is the most Jow Forums sentence I've ever seen written.

If you read my post I objected to comparisons between Nazi Germany and modern economies on the basis of the abnormal economic conditions at the time. If you can give me a reason to believe that a meaningful comparison can be made THEN we can start talking about policy specifics.

>Further, Nationalistic policies worked in Chile and Indonesia after they purged all of their commies/anarchist
Many other pro-market reforms were taking place at the same time. These aren't inherently nationalist.

I know, but you were claiming illegals took more home than legal residents because they don't pay tax when in fact legal residents receive more in tax credits than they pay even when you exclude food stamps, SS etc.

GDP = consumption + investments + government spending + exports - imports

If you're gonna larp as an ancap, then at least pretend to understand economics. The entire economy is just different ways of spending money.

You're retarded, dude. How can you claim to understand economics when you reject neoclassical income and growth theory? Not even Keynesians claim that aggregate demand affects the nation income in the long run.

We are not talking about savings you retard. whatever saving is better over spending in terms of what helps more the economical growth of a nation, we are talking about the direct effect of foreign labor force sending money outside of your contry compared to your own labor force spending that same amount of money on your economy( the could easily choose to save it transformign it in investment and helping grow the economy in the long run). in the UK during the 2008 crisis consumer spending accounted for 63% of GDP, this rapid increase in savings and a fall in spending was a significant cause of the 2008/09 recession. The continued reluctance of spending is a significant factor in the continued economic stagnation. The Harrod-Domar model of economic growth suggests the level of savings is a key factor in determining economic growth rates doesnt apply in this case at all. This is why neoclassical are such a dumb fucks compared to behavioral economist you fucks cant into context.

You forgot the part where hitler ignored all debts germany owed

Liberals:
>OY VEY WHO WILL PICK "OUR" STRAWBERRIES AND WATER MY LAWNS AND MAKE TACOS

>OY VEY WE DESERVE $15 MIN WAGE FOR ILLEGALS
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Also Liberals:
>OY VEY AUTOMATION IS TAKING "OUR" JOBS

Sorry white males will be taking those high intellect jobs of programming the software and maintaining the mechanisms.

Robotics will be our freedom from the beans who don't pay taxes.
>lefty gets counter-jewed :^)

>spics
>labor force

Pick one

Everyone one of them is a ciminal. You need a passport, visa, and entry stamp to enter a sovereign nation state.

lol all GDP growth models incorporate growth of labour.

I don't support a minimum wage

Automation isn't taking our jobs

>niggers and spics are just slaves and voters, hence why we need them. otherwise how would i get my mocha latte?

>Whats wrong with sending money outside the country
objective drain on the economy.

>lives in a white country
>thinks whites should bend over backwards for him

Fuck off back to China then you filthy chink

(((labor force)))

WHY IS NOONE TALKING ABOUT THE SEX CULT!!!!!
>hollywood/government sex cult
Exposed by catching second in command and recruit
>ALLISON MACK
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There's the QUICK RUNDOWN

also BONUS HAPPENING!!!!
>Broward county deputies being murdered

Numerous cops are dieing and being murdered in FL
>what do they know!?
One was definitely OURGUY , with his Facebook being purged but pixs mocking HOGG in nazi outfits
>what did he know in Clinton controlled JEWWARD county FL

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Jews are slaves to Chinese rice niggers

What do the foreigners in other countries do with the USD they receive?

I am white. People should do what they want to do, but they can't expect to have no skills and get paid $15/hr for picking strawberries.

>If this wordsalad I just made up is true then ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE GUD CHEKMAET
sage

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>deport all minim6m wage spics
>more available housing
>less people on the road
>more available low skilled jobs
>teenagers now easily find $10/hr work
>adults take on 2nd job part time
>young adults stop renting and start owning
>more people buy new cars
>more people can afford to have a family
>less women have to work to sustain the family unit

Tell me how getting rid of every single illegal is a problem.

Is that illegal? Can I report my parents for this?

>slave
>wages
>Nationalist education

Not to mention a drastic decrease in violent crimes

Illegal aliens in the USA are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crimes.

Dumb fuck Australian doesn't realize that the cost of labor would go up meaning the remaining workforce gets a raise
He also doesn't realize that foreign workers export $20 billion stimulating the Mexican economy instead of the US economy.
Please Australia, don't be like Canada

and I would say that the illegals are still "getting more" b/c they never pay in. What they keep in their pocket is greater than the tax credits the legal immigrant who is part of the working poor receives. Now... I am considering the children being produced by the illegals as part of the illegal problem because the benefits these children receive goes into the pockets of illegals. Someone down playing the impact of illegal immigration probably would not and would count the benefits they receive as going to legal residents.

Dont you know that stimulating the mexican economy is good for you stupid goy? just think about how much shekels my multinational corporation that holds a monopoly in terms of international transactions will make thanks to you

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>illegal immigrants don't receive welfare
If only that were true. In America, they do. They receive all kinds of welfare, from free education to housing, to housing, food stamps, legal aide, and so on and so on. They consume the most welfare of any demographic in the United States.

Not all the debt, just the unjust reparations that the Treaty of Versailles placed upon the Germans. Those debts were clearly unjust by any moral formulation. But (((bankers))) wanted their cut for issuing the bonds.

Because its just shitty prax. Demand for houses would drop but the cost of producing houses would increase as low skilled labour moves out, its not clear how the overall price for housing would be impacted.

>more available low skilled jobs
>teenagers now easily find $10/hr work
>adults take on 2nd job part time
This is not good for anyone apart from the few people able to take up the jobs. If these people couldn't compete with Mexican immigrants they were worse for the job. Consumers are worse off and businesses are worse off, all to protect the interests of unskilled workers who couldn't compete.

>more people buy new cars
>more people can afford to have a family
>less women have to work to sustain the family unit
Average wages increase as a result of immigration see pic

You are definitely a non-white. How dumb are you to think that an illegal population that doesn't pay taxes, sucks off welfare, and sends billions out of the economy is a good thing?
It's obvious you are too retarded to understand simple concepts, so get this; you are a pathetic waste of natural resources that will never benefit humanity in any way. You are a disappointment to your drug addicted mom and no man would ever call you his son. The best thing you could ever accomplish is jumping off a high building.

Yes and those jobs used to filled to the brim with unskilled teenagers. The vast majority of lawn cutters were kids in the neighborhood and retailers were filled with kids getting their first job experience. The foreigners have completely destroyed this connection of child to adult, this is part of the reason so many millennials are hiding in colleges and their houses, they weren't able to garner any experience in high school. The young citizen struggles with the simplest thing, work, which means the culture suffers and doesn't propagate itself and you get less productivity as a whole. You also claim it's cheaper but these people have kids, which become low IQ citizens themselves, and they'll need food, housing, utilities, school and healthcare. Guess who pays for all that...

You think the labor force has any time to balance to supply and demand? Every year we get 1,000,000+ more people in the US, it's actually 1.3 million but ~300k leave each year too. How is the demand for labor ever supposed to catch up when the supply is being artificially expanded forever?

>Illegal immigrants don't receive welfare, everyone earning minimum wage receives on net from the government in any case. In this sense citizens have an advantage over non-citizens

But they do receive welfare. Their children get free schooling and meals even if they're not born here, as citizens they get everything mentioned above. All of them get free healthcare because it's illegal for hospitals to turn anyone away which means a visit to the ER is paid by the taxpayer.

lol source on that

>and I would say that the illegals are still "getting more" b/c they never pay in
illegals still shoulder the burden of payroll tax, fuel excise and sales tax.

>What they keep in their pocket is greater than the tax credits the legal immigrant who is part of the working poor receives
What taxes is the citizen that receives tax credits paying that the illegal immigrant is not paying?

>modern leftists are so fucking smug and stupid they think its good when immigrants take their jobs

>they weren't even around for two decades
why is it always that people like you conveniently overlook the fact that the three biggest economies of the time had to work together to crush this tiny country? even after this devastating war german economy was better off than Britain's or the soviet unions
>t. only knows whats taught in school

The "economy" might do better if you import hordes of cheap labor, if you're measuring the health of the economy by aggregate GDP. Most people who were there before the hordes of migrants starting teaming in will see there wages compressed and will have a lower standard of living. This is assuming (ludicrously) that people are the same and labor can be perfectly substituted.

The "health" of the economic might of the abstract political entity that is the united states might increase, but this entity no longer represents an ethnic nation of people. The health of the economy will also increase if we all live in tiny boxed apartments in the city, but it won't make anyone happier.

Either way goading people into an argument using a ridiculous reduction is pure kikery. You're just pushing rhetoric.

wageslave detected

A commie who hates the proletariat. Faggy rich kid pinko detected

>The vast majority of lawn cutters were kids in the neighborhood and retailers were filled with kids getting their first job experience
Still yet to hear why this is actually a good thing...

>The young citizen struggles with the simplest thing, work, which means the culture suffers and doesn't propagate itself and you get less productivity as a whole
lol ok tone it down. We're talking about part time jobs that college students work before they have the training to work in a higher skilled profession, its not the end of the fucking world if they have to accept a few dollars less an hour for flipping burgers. Young people only have to really compete with immigrants in this sense, no illegal is coming to take their accounting position.

>You also claim it's cheaper but these people have kids, which become low IQ citizens themselves, and they'll need food, housing, utilities, school and healthcare. Guess who pays for all that...
Themselves mainly? Even if they didn't the fact that some jobs don't pay enough to live doesn't mean that its necessarily a good idea to not have these people around. Its a waste of human capital.

>Every year we get 1,000,000+ more people in the US, it's actually 1.3 million but ~300k leave each year too. How is the demand for labor ever supposed to catch up when the supply is being artificially expanded forever?
Do these 1M more people not need food, clothes, housing, education and healthcare? Yes demand will keep up, it always has.

>Their children get free schooling and meals even if they're not born here, as citizens they get everything mentioned above
Their children pay net tax. I'd assume that illegal immigrants would pay more given they don't receive education.

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I agree except just shoot them for putting profit over the race.

>How dumb are you to think that an illegal population that doesn't pay taxes, sucks off welfare, and sends billions out of the economy is a good thing?
The 'economy' is more than just net tax payed to the government. There's literally nothing wrong with sending money overseas, USD can only be used to by US goods and certain international products not available to the average foreigner.