Do like I'm doing. Get a sailboat

you're going the cat way? monohulls are more seaworthy but I respect you decision as they do have some advantages (speed), but liveabord space is reduced on cats.

>but realistically I want to get away form people and just enjoy life
Same here but we need to have a place we can all go if shit gets real bad.
Shit dude we could be the new Vikings with /comfy/ boats

the bad thing about most Pacific islands is that they have no fresh water. All the uninhabited islands are dry. Saying that, $20,000 worth of commercial grade desalination equipment could support a small community. I think about this stuff a lot and for the last 10 years have wanted to try, but I understand the equipment required to survive permanently in places that people haven't settled costs a lot of money. But then again, it would be worth it.

I like cats, they're more stable, not as much rocking. If you can afford the big ones they actually give you more liveaboard space than a monohull of the same length

until the first Jow Forumshatefuck island war.

actually that makes sense, it's a different type of rocking compared to a mono, not quite so slippery. and I guess for reef sailing the high draft would make it easier to navigate once the GPS maps fail
and they do look comfy

How hard would it be to build a small farm with livestock on an atoll?

Sailing is easy (unless you want to do competitive sailing, i.e. be fast).

The issue with a sailing boat is the maintenance. It takes a lot of time and costs a lot. You also need to understand basics of electricity, plumping, heating etc. The good thing is that you're generally dealing with lightweight versions of what you find elsewhere (e.g. it's 12V current, not 240V like at home), so you're not going to kill yourself while experimenting.

If I did get a sailboat and I live on the east coast of the US wouldn't I have to go through the Strait of Magellan?

Pretty sure you'd run out of feed for the livestock fast. Vegetation wouldn't keep up.

Not to mention all of the water you'd have to be giving the livestock in the first place.

Or just pay to go through the Panama Canal

>I'm headed for the south pacific
I got bad news for you user.

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On my list of material goods needed to attain my perfect freedom-oriented bachelor life.

Already got my first item
>DRZ 400 Dual Sport
>Toyota Sunrader
>ebay land purchases for cheap camp travel
>24 to 34 foot sail boat for that adventure life
>70s land yacht like a Lincoln Continental

All of that is prime man and prime comfy. This shit requires money and time. Exactly what I need more of.

>what's the panama cannal?

So what's an ideal island? i.e. sustainable, fair amount of resources, easily conquered population

Somewhere with access to fresh water preferably and uninhabited

Set a goal for the amount of money you need to have to be able to just float throught the rest of life. Once you hit that, you have all the time in the world

Only the true sailors will be able to make it user. If we don't come together and man some kind of large vessel many will end up sailing somewhere else or something.

you could do it, but lets say it would take 4 -5 years to get any animals onto the atoll to give the salt-resistant plants you planted depending on the location time to take root and begin adding organic matter to the sand base. The animals would be goats, sheep and cattle take way too much energy from their environment to be sustainable.

So, you plant and sustain salt-resistant plants that can reproduce quickly, along with drought-resistant herbs, fruits - whatever you can get. This depends on the location, of course. maybe after 2 years you may be able to move goats onto the island/atoll and begin fertigation - the goats eat the plants, shit it out but the plant matter must stay at a level so it doesn't turn to dust. You could do it, but a better way would be to naturally graze the animals on dry islands and move them on via boat while supplying water via the desal plant until they are fattened up. actually sounds a lot like early nomadic farmers. sorry I'm babbling but thinking about this seriously because I work as a viticulturist so I can always make alcohol

it depends on the stock size, type of stock and the type of vegetation.

No worries, I rather use my masculinity to take yours when shit hits the fan

You need a boat larger than 50', ideally even bigger, with a reinforced metal hull.
If you don't and get caught in a storm, you are good as dead.

You're going to need at least $150,000 for a USED real ocean worthy sail boat.

Otherwise, you are going to be crushed whenever a storm comes through.

user. A 45 foot boat for $60k is going to cost you another $60k immediately in repairs and maintenance.

Check what standing rigging costs on a boat that size.

>not that expensive
>boats
Pick one

This is why the boat needs to be focused on primarily. We would need to just invest in a big one that can take multiple people not just one person per small shitty sailboat.

>Indonesia
>South Pacific
I thought burgers being bad at geography was mostly meme, but you've laid waste to that.

get guns first. When shit hits the fan you can use guns to easily achieve boat and any shit you need

If we could all get together and get a really big one we'd be unstoppable, but it would be hard to coordinate
You're good dude, thanks for your insight, you know more than I do. If we could all agree to a place and pool our knowledge we could create a great society
I know who you are

Yeah I was gonna say. Doesn't most of that stuff happen in the Indian ocean?

Really. I have had 6 boats. If you really must only budget half your allowance on the purchase because it is gonna cost another 100% to keep it from becoming a hangar queen.

whereabouts are you mate?
I'm an engineer and have been doing serious R&D for this for about 12 months.
I was going to start sounding people out here in about 9-12 months time after I've got everything pretty well nutted out.

actually a better thing to do would be alter your diet to seafood and what can be grown on land and easier to do.

One of these bad boys from the '30s could cost as little as 100 grand. However they're made of wood so as the other guy pointed out a big enough storm would destroy it and it would take a lot of maintenance costs I'd imagine.

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glass fiber is superior in essentially every way - no reason to use wood except the aesthetics

Just feed the livestock fish and teach them to drink salt water.

SEA - where there's short distances to shipping channels from jungle hideouts

In that post I was talking about sailing lessons though. No shit boats are expensive. Maintenance too
I like this anons idea

Finn is right - you wouldn't use a timber boat for this unless you were forced to make one in a survival situation.

>Just feed the livestock fish and teach them to drink salt water.

Maybe just eat the fish yourself and keep a small herb garden or something

There is a damn good reason boat in pic related can be had for $10,000. Just keeping the wood from rotting is a full time job for one person. So if you have nothing to do with the rest of your life but sand and varnish you will have to hire someone. Minimum wage is $40,000 per year. IOW the cost of the nightmare is a small fraction of the expense.

With all the trash floating in the oceans now days I wouldn't go out their unless, I had a thick steal hull, you ram into something in the middle of the ocean it could spell bad news.

I hear the dilemma with wood I was just arguing from a price point but since then I have found other boats that are much better and just as little in price.

For instance this 53 footer from 2011

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>I thought burgers being bad at geography was mostly meme, but you've laid waste to that.
>missed the fucking point
Just enjoy getting raped by "pirates" user while you are sailing off on open waters you dumbass.

Sorry forgot to include price, it's selling for 159 grand.

Sorry, but for the last five years it's been a buyers market. The old idea that you have is not correct anymore. I just need to make that clear. Before I was thinking of making my own using the radial chime method, but decided against it because I don't have the time right now. Any mechanically proficient person can replace rigging, although that's just a steel wire connected to a pulley system so not quite sure why you would bring that particular one up? talk about anti-foul and anything that requires dry-dock

Adelaide at the moment, You?

I have done a lot of deep sea fishing. You would not believe the shit i have seen barely floating. Kobe’s boxes. I saw a 40 foot long 15 feet in diameter concrete tank once. It always made me nervous running at night but i have done it. You just have to figure that shit is rare enough the odds are low. A sailbote probably wont go fast enough to really get badly damaged but you run into a Konex box at 40 mph in the night and you are going to have a bad day.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/colvin-gazelle-junk-rigged-schooner/205640

$56,000

You can't just look at the size and the price tag. The condition of the boat is an extremely large piece of the value of a boat. Most boats can be fixed to good condition, and often are, it just costs a lot and takes man hours.

Then it needs $100,000 of work.

Keep your fantasies to yourself, nigger
That sounds about right, I'm figuring I have to bank about 1.5m to quit working and coast

You can easily sail around the globe with a much smaller and cheaper boat. The only real issue is how much room you need for supplies.

Yes very true but if it is our only boat for a good number of skilled people then it the price would be spread out a bit. The question is how many people a boat of that size could realistically fit.

Maxed out for long journeys, probably 6

Well, start here. Engine...”diesel”. OK. How many hours? Notice it doesn’t SAY. So add the price of a new engine. What does a 20 HP diesel cost? And that is on a pallet. Now add the cost of someone putting it IN. So without even looking at this boat i can tell you right now, without a survey, you are going to put $20,000 AT LEAST into this boat before it goes anywhere. Get a survey and i bet that goes to $40,000. Like i say. I have had 6 boats. Trust me.

Central QLD

Ferro or steel for anything when you don't have perfect navigation, so most inlets and reefs. Glass fibreglass screams when you scrape it and then it breaks and your slowly taking on water as the fibers allow water to flow. Ferro just bobs but always worried about concrete cancer while steel just glaces off

On a 45 foot boat? How many people can live on it? I have known people that sailed around the world on boats that size. 2 people can be one too many in a few weeks.

Boats are really cheap in Aus at the moment.

Technically a 53 footer but I see your point.

If steel actually busts it will open up from stress in the sheets. If glass busts, it will return to shape and limit the aperture.

Ideally gps should keep working even in a shtf scenario, since they're fed by direct solar power, you'd just need to find a way to power all your electronics

I have known a couple folks wit steel hulls and ferro cement. The maintenance is about as bad as wood. Think about it, steel in salt water. You will spend your life trying to keep the two apart and ultimately fail miserably and then shit goes south quickly. At least with fiberglass you can pull it out and let it dry out and start over with new gel coat, maybe. But as user has pointed out hitting shit with your hull is bad for you no matter. I have fished plenty out of Oregon Inlet and the Chesapeake and in the best charted waters in the world there are many, MANY obstructions that are not charted. You WILL hit something eventually. I have ripped the bottom out of two fishing boats on uncharted obstructions in navigable water. And both of those were fixed objects.

Whats the cause of that? I used to sail as a kid was pretty good went to state championships (obviously the boat was tiny) but the freedom to go out at 10 with my mate and just go was amazing, where im from alot of sailors lived there even a guy was in the americas cup a few times, I was family friends with him.

I knew a guy had a 50 foot hatteras and was fishing a reef that was shallow. A wave dropped the hull on a rock and punched out a seawater intake as clean as can be. They lost the boat in one hour.

>access to fresh water preferably and uninhabited

Sorry, you are about 200 years too late for that.

Yeah, i used to race Lasers. In fact, i won a Regatta. We used to love to take a half dozen Lazers out on the ocean when it was kind of calm. Great fun chasing each other up and down swells miles offshore. Until the wind kicks up and there you are in a 14 foot boat in three foot chop. It is fucking terrifying.

I think there's just a lot more downsizing and disposal of non-essential assets. Our economic growth has been artificially propped up by immigration for years now, so the general economy isn't all that great and people are just getting rid of shit they don't need.

boattrader.com/listing/2016-hunter-37-103227371?refSource=standard listing

Here's a 37 foot Hunter sloop, priced at about 200 grand, fiberglass hull and diesel engine but probably not the best since it won't fit 6 people.

I do agree it comes down entirely to the navigator rather then the hull material, but I guess I'm just biased on steel. But ferro is the ugly cousin in the basement. Saying that, I've sailed on several Herreshoff (?) ferros and the way they smash thru the waves is awesome so heavy

Bugger. That's pretty bad luck though (or poor seamanship by the skipper), and could have been the same story with any hull material.

People who value true freedom are drawn to these things like sailboats, motorcycles, airplanes. To enter into these fields isnt as expensive as you would think too

How do I get in touch with you bro since we're the only ones that are thinking big?

They all have their own plusses and minuses. If you know steel, you're gonna go with steel. My current 30ft cruiser is glass-sheathed ply, but I've just picked up a 34ft mustang planing hull. Looking to power it with ~300 hp (diesel)

While Hunter is probably the best name in fiberglass sailbotes read the description. “Hull has been modified from original design...”. IOW it was busted up when the keel hit an obstruction and spent months in the yard getting repaired and now somebodies dream has turned into a nightmare. “Price reduced by $40,000” is a clue.

If you want to catch a 90 pound wahoo you have to put bait in the water where they feed.

Just keep making these threads man, I'll be around.

You have a boat already? Well you'd definitely be leading the way or at least making first contact with the desired island.

Christ, good call buddy. The search won't be short but the right boat can be found.

Jesus. Glass over wood. They knocked that shit off in the Chesapeake 50 years ago.

I build/restore boat's and have been thinking the same thing, most blue water above 35' can be fully self contained for 30+ days add a desalinizer ,solar/wind gen. Perfect bug out escape plan

Pro tip. There is NO SUCH THNG as the “right boat”. My last was a 30 foot Albemarle. user is right about hull weight being the secret for stability in rough water but moving that weight costs MONEY. At 30 mph that boat burned 20 gallons of fuel an hour.

It's a coastal cruiser, but well-sealed and strong. Only does ~6kts generally and there aren't too many rocks where I am to hit - mostly sandbars and mud.

They can't sail to windward though.

Any advice on offering to crew for someone to learn more?
I will try

>not using sails

Alright well I think we're primarily talking about sailing using the wind. I get the motor-sailing aspect but ideally we'd be trying to minimize our costs in every way possible.

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>They can't sail to windward though.
wut

They used to build beautiful wood fishing boats on the Chesapeake back in the 50s and 60s. For a while when glass was a fairly new thing it was common to just slap some glass over the wood when there was a problem. I cant even remember how many guys i have met in the yard with their glass over wood nightmare and they all started with “but it was a 40 foot boat for just $10,000!”

Ah, yeah a bit different. My "wood" is marine ply, and it was designed to be sheathed.

If you really want to learn to sail hang around a marina in your spare time. Off to help someone work on their boat. One of the things you will learn is that for every hour you spend enjoying a boat fishing or sailing you will spend a couple hours working on the boat. People will be only too happy to teach you in return for some help.