I was talking to my boss the other day (I work in a factory) and he said that our tire factory provides eight million...

I'd imagine the financing of the loan to have built the facility sucks up a lot of funds.

Also have to factor in the cost of head office, corporate, etc.

And maybe your smarter-than-you boss will regret ever telling his workers what he earns of them and ditch you all for another factory, where he does not make such a mistake for a second time.

>Where is the other $7 million going? It is going to corporate, banking and to government. And not just the parts of corporate, banking, and govt that do anything but mostly the secretaries who are in those buildings to give smiles and blowjobs and the blacks who are in there to cover for the jew.
Remember than no communist ever speaks against it when they teach you to hate you boss who gets ripped off just like you.

>So, out of eight million, about $1.1 million is spent on actual productive stuff
Plus taxes, plus distribution, plus risk, plus r&d, plus insurance, plus 'shelf space'.
Fucking retard.

Well it's not like you can't start your own factory.

It's like every day I forget that poors breed without resources for their kids. Gosh.

First post best post

You're full of shit fag.
We've seen this pattern before.
You don't work at a factory.

>they teach you to hate you boss who gets ripped off just like you.

this is what annoys me. people complain that they are the "hard workers" but if that is true, where is their money? all spend on booze drugs and electric bills.

Mostly, taxes.

>Well it's not like you can't start your own factory
>yes goyim just open up your own tire factory, anybody can do it goy trust me

do you plan to address any political points on this board for political discussion?

Poors are okay people, m8. I'm about a month out from a little poor girl. Pray for me.

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is right.
What you stated in your OP are your variable costs. You are not including the whole other half of the enterprise: Fixed Cost. Those robots you use for your tires are not free, they probably cost 20 times your salary each. The tires aren't spawning in your storage area by themselves, so you have to pay transport as well or have some kind of deal. The investors or people who made this business possible probably didn't have the $$$ to pay it upfront, so you also have to pay a debt with interests over a long period of time. I may be leaving out other stuff but another thing is, if rubber tires become obsolete tomorrow, you find another job while they get FUCKED on the debt and trying to start another business.

Don't like it then go off and start your own factory. No one is forcing you to be there or to work for them. Then when you start planning you'll realise their is so much you are missing.

This. I used to work in manufacturing and run a non-manufacturing business now. You think they get to keep 88 percent of sales as profit margin??? I can guarantee you no American manufacturer has a margin that high.

Look at your check and how much money the US Government steals from you. Then times that by 2 because your employer pays those same taxes again and you don't see them on your check. If you're pissed off take it up with Uncle Sam. Or go start a business yourself or just be grateful your job hasn't been sent to Mexico yet.

How much does he pay in taxes, how much does he pay for employee health insurance, how much does the owner still owe for the cost of buying/building the factory or equipment or initial inventory bought on credit, how much does he pay every month in licensing/maintenance fees for equipment, how much has to be held in reserve in case of sudden loss, how much is the cost of transport/storage for the finished product, and on and on and on?
You are a retard with a retard's level of understanding.

This, its goverment

Do you plan on actually responding

>Do you think this is an efficient distribution of reward ?
You're just hired as a LARPborer.
A)Build your own fucking factory
B)Someone else will take your place if you disagree
C)Be thankful you were hired and have to eat.

there's no reward you dumb commie, only supply and demand. If you ask for more money than most employers would pay you, then they'll hire somebody else for less. Same thing for everything. No want is overpaying for anything, because why should they?

they desserve a bullet

>we just run the industrial robots that make the tires.
>industrial robots that make the tires.
>robots that make the tires

RIsk your capital. Ask your company if you can buy stock in the company or buy somebody else's share to take on their risk. Then you too can scrape 3-15% profit of your captial annually off a 8 million dollar business.

You are still not addressing the central point, which is that the productive work is being rewarded with 15% while 85% is going to non-productive work, which we can call rent-seeking of one kind or another.

I know that 85% is vanishing into the thin air that is corporate using one excuse or another. I don't need to be told that. I need an explanation on why YOU think this is a good idea for how to run an economy.

Don't tell me HOW IT IS tell me WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT you asshats.

This whole illusion comes crumbling down very very easily.

All I have to say is: So start your own factory if it's so profitable.

Then, if you take the suggestion seriously, immediately you are forced to recognize the folly of what you're saying.

Nothing's stopping the workers from making their own tire factory

I don't have $10 million in my trust fund like Mr. Shekelburg and Mr. Smith-Waverford.

>30 families are getting $4000 a month.

>Can we make a system that destroys that?

Except that some people start life with Capital while others start life with zero or start adulthood with debt you dumb seal worshipper

You misunderstood though.... the 85% is going to fund the productive work that has already been done for you.

Loans are a way of stealing money from your own future earnings.

>won't somebody please think of the children

>You are still not addressing the central point, which is
The machines to make tires aren't free. Knowing this is why you're a factory worker and I'm an engineer.

The factory costs even more than that though.

>money spent on things which are not obvious to retards is vanishing into thin air
>don't tell me about reality, argue about my retard version of reality

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you have not even listed 1/3rd of the other expenses that go into running a business.

>Do you think this is an efficient distribution of reward ?

Yes. People work there. They get paid. What the fuck is your problem you communist piece of shit.

>Is it fair for the productive work to get less than 15% of proceeds.

Yes you dumb fuck. The "workers" bear no risk if the business fails. They can simply move on to another job. The owner(s) of the business could be ruined.

>Where is the other $7 million going?

None of your fucking business. Did you provide the initial capital to start the business? No. You are an under educated laborer.

>It is going to corporate, banking and to government.

People who manage and market the selling of tires, loaned the money to start the business, and build the roads and other public infrastructure to allow for the production and distribution of tires.

>Is this really the most efficient way to organize society?

Yes, yes it is you stupid fuck.

So do you guys defend big corporations/big government/big banking (they're all one beast) because you're paid to or are you literally doing it for free during your leisure time on a sunday?

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maybe if you were an actual wheelright who forged iron bands and ran wood on a lathe to make spokes... maybe then youd have something to complain about

>defend big corporations
... no we just understand how money works

"value" is not tied to "labor" when you're using a fucking robot

Is that why you're attacking big corporations on a sunday?

I thought I was just explaining obvious stuff to a retard.

You ancestors were dim witted labor tier niggers like you are............

Management Consultant fag here.

30 employees you guys do 8 mil a month? You sure that’s not a year? Is it privately owned? How many owners?

> Do you think this is an efficient distribution of reward ?
Absolutely, so much money made with so little amount of people. Your supervisors deserve their payment.
> Is it fair for the productive work to get less than 15% of proceeds.
> fair
Fair is meme tier word for children
and yes, it's right as you two have mutually agreed to your contract and salary.
> Is this really the most efficient way to organize society?
you tell me, even China wants to copy this model.

>20% taxes.
>Maybe he is giving away a lot of money to charity, many companys do that to save money
>other costs like energy, water, propertytax,..
>contractors for accounting, law,... or other stuff
>IT and licences
>advertising

Its easy to loose track of the costs
You can loose a few

Are you seriously bitching about making 50k/year playing Homer Simpson? Count yoursef lucky.

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ya these numbers sound.... made up at best

Of course it isn't fair, but republicans only care about MBA holding greedy faggots, so what can you do? *hint*: don't vote republican, ever

No it's a major corporation.

ya... its like trying to insist people in the outback should live the same way people in Siberia live

Probably closer to 5% is going to non productive work. Just because you don't interact with people who take the remaining 80% doesn't mean its just going into one or a handful of pockets.

And some people are niggers and females and spics so I imagine you have to punish humans because subhumans are born retarded

t. boinie sanduhs

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Some people are not meant to be rich or are not capable of being rich. Equitable allocation of resources is not natural. Antarctica doesn't have a rain forest for a fuckin' reason.

And you’re sure just your location does 8 mil a month? I mean that’s certainly possible but you guys are doing some bank out of that location. I mean that’s some serious money with just 30 employees. And you said tire factory right? So it’s manufacturing and distributing?

You are a major communist faggot

>don't explain it to me just say yes or no
And this is why you should stick to what you know best, as a machine operator and not an owner actually running the business.
If you cannot bother to make a strategical decision, you shouldn't ask questions you don't even bother thinking about.

To be quite frank, the machines you operate everyday worths and costs more than you.

>Except that some people start life with Capital
The overwhelming majority of businesses, including most very successful ones, are created or expanded by taking loans in one form or another. The idea that only people who already have capital can start a business is retarded and not true in the slightest.

You forgot to include

Overhead costs
>Accounting fees
>advertising
>insurance
>interest
>legal fees
>rent
>repairs
>supplies
>taxes
>utilities

Not to mention the cost of capital expenditures.

start your own company, faggot

fpbp

I call bullshit. There were 314.4 million tires shipped in 2016. That's about 26.2 million per month. Are we really supposed to believe that your one factor with 30 employees is supplying 30% of all tires in the US? This is all made up.

I didn't say tires I said dollars you redneck

this

>Total US tire shipments were nearly 310 million units in 2014, according to the Rubber Manufacturers Association.

engineering.com/AdvancedManufacturing/ArticleID/9636/A-Good-Year-for-Tire-Manufacturing-Giti-Latest-Foreign-Brand-to-Build-a-US-Plant.aspx

tl;dr OP is a massive faggot

If this was even remotely true, and your boss was taking a profit of 7/8 of revenue, you can bet your ass the competitors would start undercutting your company's prices, putting you guys out of business.
Of course, this is mostly bullshit and you are just stirring up the pot.

You negotiate your salary. Don't like it go somewhere else or better yet, if it is so simple, open your own tire factory. But your numbers are way fucking off so I assume you have no clue. I am guessing at the end of the day, tires may be a 3-5% margin business.

Good luck finding a new job. If I found out that my people were planning a union I would shit can every one of them on the spot.

well if nepotism stops you it's because you're not really part of the group anyway? happens a lot in immigrant-settled countries that everyone just expects there to be a "boss class" and a "worker class" but reality is much simpler: stop being dumb

>asking whether or not you are getting screwed is communist

>fair
the owner of the company is smarter than all the workers together and if it wasnt for him they would be starving right now, workers signed a contract that say they would be paid X and they are getting X. What the owner gets is none of their bussiness
If they are all dat they can fuck off and create their own company, no one is stopping them but their lack of education.

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Start your own business then you degenerate piece of shit. Oh wait, that's why you're a commie, cause you are a life long loser faggot with no skills or ambition. Do the entire world a favor and kill yourself

god dammed entitled mememutts.

It goes to the welfare hole.

The other seven million is going to all the middle class investors with a 401k or anyone investing into the stocks on their own.

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They forget that they buy the bosses tools, not their own.

>Where is the other $7 million going?
Payroll expenses are probably 25-50% higher than you've estimated. There may also be loans on the factory robots that you're unaware of, that are costing a substantial amount of money.

Then there is bookkeeping, accounting, and lawyers. This is productive work, just a different type. It's a necessary specialized work to keep the business running so that you can do the work you do.

You are right that a substantial amount of money is wasted on diversity nonsense and compliance with counterproductive overregulation, but not 80% of the money.

you asked them for the job and they told you what it pays.
if you don't like it go start your own tire company

Negotiating for higher pay is allowed, you know.

the robot does all the work and you think you deserve more?

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>t. I don't understand how supply and demand works

taxes, pensiions/401k/insurance/maintenance/emergency liquidity/r&d/capital investments/equipment replacement/safety expenditures/consumables/advertising/storage/waste/dumping waste/government-municipal regulatory standings/transportation/shipping/distribution/free coffee/toilet paper in the bathroom

all of this shit quickly erodes that imaginary 7 million dollars you have in your head

Amerimuttistani maths something doesn't add up but wtf am I expecting from a factory worker.

>So, out of eight million, about $1.1 million is spent on actual productive stuff.
>Is this really the most efficient way to organize society?
No, a business revenue specialist could show your boss how to make your factory even more profitable.

>plus the manager and each employee makes $4000

If that's after taxes that means you're making around $32/hour. Which means your gross is around $66,500/year. Not bad for factory work.

You are assuming 85% gross margin while leaving out a lot of expenses. It is more likely 50-60% which is normal for manufacturing

Go ahead and you start and run your own company and report back. I'll have many questions for you buddeh.

how dare u niggermutt question your corporate overlords ,get back to making us profits peasant

>We are paid $25 per hour because it is skilled work.

So you're making less than $4000/week after taxes.

We're wise to your dumb Jewish tricks, we know where the line of argument is going

shoulda negotiated better.
before i retired, i wouldn't get out of bed for less than $50 an hour.
i was good enough that i got that plus more usually.

in reality, the owner gives himself a salary and the company get a salary, which is all of the profit.
if the owner takes from the top the company won't last long.

I believe that's how most businesses are run. Employee salary account for 70% (easily) of all expenses.

I worked in an biochemistry lab in academia and that's definitely how it was

you have an incomplete view of business giving you confirmation bias, now get back to work goy slave.