Devs April 21 >Unconfirmed reports of shot fired near Saudi royal palace >Yarmouk; SAA op against ISIS begins, heavy artillery strikes and clashes ongoing >E Qalamoun rebels agree to surrender, expected to hand over heavy weapons and equipment in coming days >UN to view interview of Syrian boy who claims he was lured into White Helmets chem attack video >ISIS conducts strong raids on SAA, hitting 3 points between Palmyra and T-3, claiming several SAA killed and vehicles captured >New agreement between Sy and Iraq allows for Iraqi AF to airstrike IS in DeZ, so far 5 strikes have been made >E Qalamoun; Tiger Forces seized the Al-Kharnuba area and Al-Maselah plain, isolated Ar-Ruhaybah >SW Daraa; After 12 hours of clashes and heavy losses FSA recapture territory lost to IS affiliate Jaysh Khalid ibn al-Walid >S Aleppo; SAA performs drone strike on a leader of Faylaq al-Sham, killing him and bodyguards in Khalsah >1500 JAI and 5000 of their family members leave E Qalamoun headed for Jarabulus >OPCW chief; Douma investigation area still not secure for inspection to begin
>Mohamed Eljarh >Some reports that Haftar is returning to #Libya soon. However, the Haftar health episode will have significant implications for #Libya fluid political/armed conflict. Some incidents over the last few days serve as indicators for what to expect in the next phase of the #conflict. >boards.Jow Forums.org/pol/thread/169172977
>Rebel Green Bus Song [East Ghouta Edition] ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QemjtAtGaY
Julian Murphy
I had asked before but I want to ask again. What drives nationalism in Middle East?
Literally Jordan, Iraq, Syria, are all just created by the British and the French. Do the history books write "Oh yea we licked the butts of our masters hardest so we rule these lands, others licked other butts so we couldn't rule over them"?
Jayden Allen
The cultures of the current region go back 2000+ years What do Americans and their 300 year old history know about real culture
Your nation was also created by Brits. Do the history books write "Oh yea we licked the butts of our masters hardest so we rule these lands, others licked other butts so we couldn't rule over them"?
What's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Did Sharif Hussain and Emir Faisal intended both of them to be a single country?
I don't get it, US was united against British rule and that's what created the country. Middle Eastern people were against Ottoman rule (partially, Arab revolt wasn't homogenously supported, similar to US independence) but French and British divided the region for their benefit and they didn't do much except for a couple of small campaigns.
>What's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Did Sharif Hussain and Emir Faisal intended both of them to be a single country? Literally nothing but puppets who were put into power to become vassal states by the foreign invader. Whatever they chose to do, I can't speculate but they were put into power for one reason only, and that was to serve the foreign policies of UK/France/and later US/Russia/Israel
(pic related, the superpowers agreed on those lines so they can play their little game later on after WW1 is finished)
The splitting of countries was a geopolitical game designed to power grab and split the countries up so they lose nationalistic powers to defend their own country which then the superpowers can come after WW1/WW2 and clean it up later.
>What's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Lots of differences with regards to culture, people, language, etc. You'd have to look into them specifically and DYOR
Baghdad and Iraq had a great history and the land between the rivers is famed far and wide in the old world including many western accounts and stuff. Plus Saddam build the current Iraqi nationalism into a fine piece of work that even today people mourn how the country's government is weak and pathetic, Iraq being a pale shadow of what it was. So, yeah. Unity of the country is entrenched in every citizen's mind and that's why people hate the Kurds who want to destroy that unity and split the country
>Literally nothing but puppets who were put into power to become vassal states by the foreign invader. Whatever they chose to do, I can't speculate but they were put into power for one reason only, and that was to serve the foreign policies of UK/France/and later US/Russia/Israel >(pic related, the superpowers agreed on those lines so they can play their little game later on after WW1 is finished) >The splitting of countries was a geopolitical game designed to power grab and split the countries up so they lose nationalistic powers to defend their own country which then the superpowers can come after WW1/WW2 and clean it up later. Literally what I said, but I got called a dumb American without a culture.
redpill me on why russia scores so high on every corruption index? is it because the jews did it?
Elijah Perry
Because it probably is. I don't have any reference but when there's only one political side, things get a bit weird. You need to be friends with someone to get something done.
Caleb Campbell
slavs are prone to corruption, relic from commie years when you have to bribe to get shit done
lol, we dindu nuffin, da jooz made us poor and corrupt
Chase Robinson
You don't need to be that knowledgeable to differentiate them, T-55's have the thermal sleeve on the tip of the main gun and the T-62's have them closer to the middle, also T-55's have a gap in between the first and second wheel but T-62's have gaps in between the third and fourth and fifth and fourth.
hah, triggered. did I say something that offended you?
Jack Wood
Artefacts of soviet era. Tho it became slightly better after Medvedev's reforms and we almost get rid of corruption on the level of police/education/healthcare, the issue is still there.
Andrew Ross
you do realize that number is not even nothing for the area right?
> redpill me on why russia scores so high on every corruption index You mean ((index))?
Ian Peterson
Isn't there a theory that there were civilizations within the region going as far back as 10k years or even further?
Daniel Allen
How is >What drives nationalism in Middle East? related to >What's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Did Sharif Hussain and Emir Faisal intended both of them to be a single country? 2 different questions. You're trying to relate the people who had culture there for a very long time to a foreign policy of a foreign nation. The people can rule themselves, they don't need foreigners and foreign companies taking the resources and spreading corrupt and deception so the can keep the community in fear and submissive
Joseph Sullivan
Mostly nothing. During WW1, the high point for arab nationalism, it was frankly admitted by participants that most arabs had nothing like national feelings, they were loyal to the hood, and hoods tended sectarian. Oftentimes, what drives nationalism in these countries is simply that they cannot exist otherwise. For Syrian Shia's, a pan-arabism that could not guarantee their rights (and after the debacle with Egypt, it was clear it wouldn't) was dangerous, and the nation inherited from the french was a far safer option. Iraq was in the same way, except with the sects reversed.
William James
i've seen something like that somewhere but i can't confirm
I don't remember all of this, but it started there really early, from there farming spread everywhere and we slowly moved towards what we are / how we do shit today. before this we were all just hunters squatting here and there all over the globe for at least tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years. Regardless it starts there
Adam Edwards
Did you enjoy the debate?
Easton Young
Good night, have a good one
Adam Martin
I mean yeah but you find evidence of civilizations going back wayyyy earlier than that, depending on how you define civs
Jason Gomez
RIP Murzik, really do. Do not come and get me, I hate nidhogg I don't want to go kvergjemle, it sucks there
no I am just really sleepy lol, it's morning now. should get to bed when you say it can't hardly hold eyes open. should really zombie till tonight but fuck this man
Juan Howard
Yeah, but there's massive push against those claims. I am certainly no expert, but I like to stay abreast of possibilities, e.g., Zahi Hawass vs Graham Hancock on significance of Gobekli Tepe: youtube.com/watch?v=q4NnCAZcxHg
Mason Thompson
my fee fees are completely destroyed and i'm literally shaking right now
>Anonymous (ID: 9EmKwijg) 04/22/18(Sun)23:31:12 No.169177017▶ > >no I am just really sleepy lol, it's morning now. should get to be I haven't watched the vid but considering the sheer amount of time past, it's easy for me to think archealogists just have no clue what they are talking about past like 6k years. they present a hypothesis that will forever be a hypothesis because so much has been lost, and then print it in a text book.
>What drives nationalism in Middle East? >Why were the Middle Eastern countries divided to begin with? >What makes Syria and Iraq unique?
They're pretty similar questions to me.
>You're trying to relate the people who had culture there for a very long time to a foreign policy of a foreign nation. The people can rule themselves, they don't need foreigners and foreign companies taking the resources and spreading corrupt and deception so the can keep the community in fear and submissive I wish you were born during WW1, their leaders at the time decided it was others' duty to mingle in Middle East. Which was really my starting point. Western willingness to mingle in Middle Eastern politics and Middle Eastern willingness to collude with foreign powers made the Middle East the region where there is constant war. This was the point I was trying to make.
It is still valid today, nothing has changed by the way. Since WW1 the cycle continues, everytime a group gets foreign support, causes problems only to be removed by a newer group by a foreign power.
But I kinda understand the western views a bit as well. I mean look at Iraq, the government US put in place "kinda" hates US.
Michael Reyes
>169173176 wait, I thought he died?
Camden Robinson
I don't know why. I'm too young (25), but I can remember only one bribe I've give. I payed to doctor 5k ₽ so he changed anesthesia type from spinal anesthesia to general anesthesia. It was a bribe only in fact, BTW. It was the only money u payed for operation.
That's actually why you get ISIS and Muslim brotherhood sorts always complaining about Sykes-Picot. It more or less ended real democracy in the colonial mandates, but this meant that the previous whipping boys of the region finally had political power, real protection other than clustering in hills and hoping not to be noticed, or taking up the nomadic life and fleeing from a really tyrannous majority, or just becoming really grim-ass mountain men.
World would an objectively better place to live in with fewer conflicts if the USA wasn't so hardline interventionist.
Robert Baker
It's time of change. It's always hard to live in time of change.
Matthew Williams
Is there any crazy men who wants wisit Russia during football world cup?
Samuel Clark
>World would an objectively better place to live in with fewer conflicts if the USA wasn't so hardline interventionist
Obviously.
Started looking into the unrest in Nicaragua and saw some people also bringing up the protests in Armenia. Seems like the USAID (aka the CIA) is getting involved in both countries to create chaos. In both countries you have governments which won recent elections by an overwhelming majorities, but suddenly there are these big and violent protests out of nowhere.
In the case of Armenia it seems they want to get them out of the Eurasian Economic Union and force them to adopt all the Neoliberal bullshit that happens after color revolutions. In Nicaragua there are a lot of excuses but I think it's mostly about the canal they want to build with China which would destroy US hegemony in the region, but I think they need to drop recognition of Taiwan first.
I would love to go to Russia someday, i just hate football though
Noah Taylor
> i dont have money But you are rich European. Hohols always tell me that Europeans are all rich and if Ukraine will cut off with Russia Ukrainians will become rich too.
Nicholas Lewis
Would like to visit Russia one day.
Adrian Gutierrez
>russia ensuring the only general worth a shit survives the war >this is surprising there's always the possibility he could be very important post war, but i doubt he's political
