Alfie

Fuck off mutt

If I pull that off will you die?

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The kid is dying anyway. Let him go in dignity and hang his fucking parents for trying to ride the media cock.

those mutt twins with no brains shouldnt be alive either. the same reason this kid shouldn't he will have no quality of life.

IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY PAINFUL...

theyre brits, what do you expect

I know Jow Forums is retarded but this takes the cake. His brain is dessicated and destroyed. Whats the use of having this human husk being piped liquids and oxygen, wasting taxpayer money for literally no reason?

The state is merely seeking to maintain control over their healthcare monopoly, other healthcare providers (Italy in this case) under one their authority.

Europeans have no right to complain.

its not a conspiracy or a cover-up, its just the NHS is completely fucking broke, they push as hard as they can to kill patients off to save money. envy of the world!

>WE'RE GONNA KILL THIS CHILD NOW
>wait we'll take care of him until he passes
>NO LET US KILL HIM
>you don't have to pay or anything, well take care of him
>NOOOO WE WANT THIS CHILD DEAD

what did bongs mean by this?

What is this image from? I keep seeing it around.

it's from Casablanca, an old movie

pffft Sweden. amiright?

Not knowing about The Shining should be a punishable offense.

Could say the same about pro life supporters.

I actually did see it when I was around 8 years old.

oh so people migrating specifically to obtain healthcare is a good thing now is it?

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the shining

within the EU, sure.

But why is it the hospital’s call whether to continue to attempt treatment? Shouldn’t that decision be left to the patient, or if the patient is incapacitated, the patient’s next of kin?

There was a lot of mockery of US republican’s claims of Obamacare death panels where doctors would have the power to decide who to give and withhold treatment from in the name of conserving resources. This kind of looks exactly like that.

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SEND HIM TO ANOTHER COUNTRY TO HEAL
USE CRISPER STEM CELL TREATMENT INJECTIONS TO STOP THE DEGENERATION.
FIRST WORLD PROBLEM SOLVED.

OR YOU CAN BE A BUNCH OF TRIBAL PACKED FERAL NIGGERS AND KILL THE BOY.

Britain has the NHS; essentially, everybody pays to keep this vegetable more or less alive. And he's just not worth the costs to society.

youtube.com/watch?v=qmynuw5jqiI

Based Mel is for dem stem cell treetments boi

So what? If the parents want to fight to keep him alive, what business is it of the hospital and doctors to decide he should die? They are even happy to fly him to Italy where he won’t be a burden on the uk health services. So why won’t they allow that?

Seems like another case of doctors on an unwarranted power trip

He is white so of course British government doesn't care

And this is exactly what the ‘death panels’ accusation against socialised medicine was about.

But anyway, if they fly him to Italy it won’t use uk resources, so why are they fighting that?

>a site full of "Nazis" that don't want to kill off literally braindead parasites

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This keeps happening. Bongs are evil, pedophilia and satanism is rife throught the elites, judges, doctors. They relish the opportunity to kill children while protecting nonces.

It's all very clear. There is no sane excuse to not allow the child to go for treatment, even if that treatment is guaranteed to fail. It's not even just a power trip to show the parents who has the power. It's satanic.

Look, the kid is uncureable at this point. Every single doctor out there said there is no way he comes back. Best case scenario is a persistent semi-vegatative state for a few years, then death. Please stop muddying the conversation by saying there is a "cure". The alleged Mitochondrial disease does not have a cure, and the best prognosis is that people live into their teens when it is caught early. At this stage, there is no hope of a recovery

YOURE A BIG GUY!

man, it seems so obvious to me that this kids life can be saved with a few injections as he grows up
and a little bit of oxygen... like an oxygen tank in childhood, and some of those regeneration injections, and that kid will grow up to be relatively normal.

it really looks like the hospital is trying to kill the boy from an outsider perspective..

what a nightmare for the family and the kid.

Triumph of the will. Go ask your local library for a copy.

Judges are fucking retarded and don't think he is brain dead

come to america, let the Insurance Company be your Death Panel.

Oh you have acne, hmmm that looks like a sign of cancer you didnt tell us about. Sorry, even though you've been a paying member for 10 years we cant cover your cancer treatments

that's why youre not a doctor or neurologist

Kek

That's fine but what do you care if someone wants to spend money on that shit? There's a lot of useless and/or suffering people out there but as long as it doesn't effect you why can't people give it a go?

better question is why do american right wingers pretend to care about this kid?

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Yes. The kid last year was called Charlie Gard. The retards saying it was hopeless anyways don't understand a thing about innovation.

So everyone with an incurable disease should just be denied treatment and left to die? Should be just throw cancer patients out onto the street once it becomes clear they are going to die?

What if you had a chance to save this child? Would you do it?

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Well, first off, it takes resources and time that could be spent on patients that have a chance at recovering. But even if that weren't the case, the boy is likely in a semi-conscious state only capable of feeling pain. So it's essentially torturing a baby for the fee fees

We care about all white children. Fuck off Roberto!

Obviously not, there should be sufficient end of life care, but keeping a baby alive in a state of pain is worse.

Every white life is worth fighting to save.

even ugly ones?

Becuse his survival would undermine their socialist utopia.

i understand that.
i'm low info, outsider perspective.
all i know is a family is fighting to try different treatments for their kid, and the hospital is saying, fuck that, he's a gonner. we're gonna bin your babe.
i knew a kid with lukemia growing up..
terminally ill.. died when he was 17...

i knew a kid with progeria growing up..
terminally ill.. died when he was 3..

knew an autistic girl growing up, they said she'd be a retard for life, she's brilliant/normal, and more functional than most of us now in her adult life.

Ok, but we're going to have government run mandatory euthanasia going on then? Seems like opening up a can of worms just to kill off some little eggplant. To your argument that it takes up resources I'll just say that communism is fucking dumb and leave it at that.

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how can we achieve max diversity on time if Alfie is allowed to live???
are you a bigot or something??

t. retard

I'm glad this country is leaning towards euthanasia. Just because we can theoretically keep somebody alive, doesn't mean we should.

And this completely fucking evil line of thinking is why we burgers would rather just be responsible for our own costs so we don't have to be at the mercy of eugenicist fuckfaces. inb4 'durr hurr gl paying 50k medical bill even though it would be under 1/10th of that if there was no entitlement system forcing up the cost hurr'

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i get you too, it is a tragic set of circumstances.
if you're interested the judge's decision has been published online and contains a lot of indepth medical information about the child's condition.
judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alder-hey-v-evans.pdf

No. British doctors can't back down from their professional opinion. They don't care if they're wrong or not. Cunts.

Not you again. Fuck off creep

why can't I post

weird, it said I was banned...

Would only affect cases where the individual can't consent, such as this one. This conversation is handicapped because of our ignorance as to the cause of the disease and potential outcomes. But in this case, there is no chance of recovery, and a likely state of pain (or at best no consciousness). I think we are disregarding the case where we are torturing this baby for no reason.

>judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alder-hey-v-evans.pdf
This should really be posted in the OP or first post of these threads

Because Brittish human rights law requires doctors to put the quality of life ahead of quantity of life. Since the only available treatment would cause extreme pain and distress for a limited extension of life, the Brittish think it's better to let him die. Northern European countries in general have this approach.

This is not a situation with a right or wrong. Both sides are right in different ways. It's just sad.

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Why is he nasally intubated instead of trached? Isn't he on long term vent support? Are his doctors retarded as well?

>Would only affect cases where the individual can't consent
That's a really loose definition right there. This is what I'm talking about with problems of government experts deciding such things. Not only because they are so often wrong, but because there's a whole minefield of moral equations that has to be considered and debated if this sort of thing becomes acceptable. If you wind up in a coma and the government doctor says you won't wake up, while some other doctors say there's a chance would it be right to pull the plug on you according to your view?

I can get that you wouldn't want to be a burden on other taxpayers in that scenario, but if you had money on your own to keep you breathing, why the fuck not I say.

if that's the case, why's there such an outcry over it? apparently I must've missed some big news, saw this topic crop up a couple times on several sites today.

Because they're medical professionals I guess? Seeing as the NHS is fucked for money, would you continue spending vast amounts of money on someone who is going to either live a horrible life where he is needing care 24/7, or a number of people with life threatening yet curable illnesses?

Wtf are you talking about? I've never commented on this story before you obese mutt gimp.

For you!

>nip forgetting about the origami

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either:
>he can't be cured and parents waste their money furthering medical research
>he can be cured and further medical research

a real head scratcher.

Shit like this is where in the US probably something like a militia steps in. 100 to 200 armed men calmly going into the hospital, taking the child and calmly leaving again.

Peace through superior firepower, or at the very least, peace through the authorities not wanting to turn the whole situation into a blood bath.

The anglo government has a hard on for absolute dominance over their own people. They dont want him to get help because they already sentenced him to death and it would go against their authority to allow docs to help him. The british government is extremely tyranical these days. Big reason i dont trust american government with peoples healthcare.

It's just the cost of free healthcare. We tried to warn you.

Oh shut the fuck up, hospitals actually treat and cure people here. Even the poor. You dont even need insurance in the states.

I'm more confused why the British people haven't started lynching judges yet.

>Why are brittish doctors and judges fighting to have Alfie Evans die?

He's a WHITE MALE! Brits need the money to give to muslim rape gangs.

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>That's a really loose definition right there.

If they can speak and communicate, they can give or revoke consent, unless they are not of sound mind. The only edge case is if they are deranged (or I suppose too immature). Yes, this issue is very complex, but we have to deal with such uncertainties. I am in favor of erring on the side of caution, but there is clearly a point at which such caution is unjustified (this case is actually a very good example imo).
I disagree that doctor's are wrong about the causes of such diseases, though they are often wrong about prognoses.

To answer your question, there should be an overwhelming consensus. If 9/10 doctors say that there is no chance of recovery, and that there is significant and irreparable brain damage, then yes, kill me.

Also, we don't exist in a fairy land of infinite resources. We have to make such decisions or other people go without care.

I also love how all of the Europeans intentionally ignore the 50 year period of our history where nobody had insurance or medicaid and could afford to just pay their medical bills because they were affordable, while receiving better care than any other country by miles

Why do you care? If this was any other country you would be saying "oh he should die because he's basically a vegetable". Yet when it's the UK, "OMG YOU KILL KIDS LOLOL OMG YOU KILL THE POOR VEGGIES".

Sort your lives out and stop caring.

The baby can’t breathe unassisted you retarded leaf. Its Oxygen level in the blood has steadily dropped.

No he does not, he is undiagnosed, there are only theoretical conditions that have been assigned to him.

You fucking idiots in this thread wishing him to remain alive...you absolute fucking morons.

HIS BRAIN IS JUST FLUID NOW. THERE IS NO PERSON IN THERE. HE IS NOT HUMAN ANYMORE. HE IS A BRAINLESS HUSK OF A BODY. THERE IS ZERO HOPE OF RECOVERY. HE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PERCEIVE ANYTHING NOR WILL HE EVER EVEN BE AWARE HE EXISTS!

Holy FUCK you people are absolute fucking imbeciles.

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good read. thanks for link.
still think they should try the rome and germany visit for chance at new insight and techology
and if the baby dies, maybe the can study his brain for oddities and maybe heavy metals.

Do you fucking IDIOTS not realize, 90% of the white matter in his brain has dissolved away! There is LITERALLY not enough brain matter left in his skull to constitute a human mind!

You people are absolutely fucking PATHETIC.

It's an undiagnosed degenerative condition - so whatever the condition may be, it's still degenerative.
Personally I would let him go to Italy - providing it's of no expense to the UK taxpayer - but I still believe that keeping someone alive who will undoubtedly have an absolutely terrible quality of life is unethical.

BASED UK UNKEKING ITSELF BY KILLING GENETICALLY FAILED HUMANS

EUGENETICS IS BACK BABY

That’s not the point. The point is that it should not be up to the hospital when to cease attempting to treat a patient, it should be up to the paient or if the patient is incapacitated or very young, the patient’s next of kin.

Yes maybe the overwhelming odds are that he will die but allowing hospitals the power of life and death over patients is incredibly dangerous. It also makes no sense when the parents are willing to send him to a different private hospital on their own dime.

>have an absolutely terrible quality of life

Motherfucker, he isn't even conscious, there is not even enough brain matter left for him to have a mind. Keeping him alive is no different than allowing him to die, there is no person inside of his skull that's even experiencing anything.

Thanks achmed

>the overwhelming odds are that he will die

Nigger, not only are the odds 100% he will die soon, but there's literally no point in keeping him alive, there's not even a conscious being in his body. He's just a collection of cells with no executive function. At this point he is less conscious than a goldfish.

Permanently.

Poor little lad.

>He's just a collection of cells with no executive functio

The same argument can be made for you, that's why this case is so important, it's not about whether or not the baby can live, it's about PARENTAL RIGHTS

Well...yeah...so why keep him alive if he is essentially a vegetable who will be hooked up to machines for the rest of his life, and draining money and resources from the NHS who could be using it to treat people that actually can be cured, or at least have a chance of not dying.