Bernie Sanders is right in implementing the Federal Job Guarantee

>DA CRAPITALISTS MAKE ME UNEMPLOYED
>IT DA CRAPITALIST FAULT
>IT CRAPITALIST CONSPIRACY
>REEE

Read an economics textbook. There is no magical illuminati of evil rich people deliberately keeping people unemployed.

Things aren't that coordinated.

Why are you against a jobs program that would ensure that millions of unemployed people would get off of welfare and actually contribute to society?

Please highlight the kike's private gainful employment

He was a petty thief...
Example:
Financed his "honeymoon" to the Soviet Union by claiming it was under the Sister City program.
Example:
Stole electricity from his land lord by running an extension cord.
Example: Got a beach house and a nice car by telling useless eaters he would give them free college and health care

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Because he's a dumb Jow Forumstard.

>t. doesn't understand why jobs exist in the first place

I honestly can't understand why you don't want people to get off welfare and actually contribute to society and in return get an income. Do you want people to be unemployed and live off welfare checks?

>Bernie shits up america
>Americans who can afford it move to europe and australia
>many of them arrive in germany
>we get good immigrants for once
>this is good for germany
>i am happy

It's not in any way sustainable. Just a massive, overpaid, bureaucratic mess of a program if put into being. It would either spend more money on jobs that could otherwise be done better by private companies, or else would be a massive push to give individuals $15 an hour to plant trees or other menial shit on the taxpayers' dime.

I support it, but I'm a leftist so not surprising. What I am surprised by is how many self identified libs, moderates and conservatives on twitter are revolting against the idea in favor of the UBI. The Job Guarantee is replacing free government payments to the unemployed with government payments to people producing something, whether it be local public goods, services or related to larger works programs. UBI and welfare is literally just a free check. I can understand it a little better from the business perspective though, a UBI would be a universal business subsidy. If it was actually at a livable allotment, any business could hire you for minimum wage (or less if it was eventually abolished) because you already have your necessities taken care of. This makes really labor intensive, low cost industries competitive in advanced nations again, assuming their tax burden hasn't increased 2x or something.

Oh good, I always wanted to have a free slavewage for the biggest corporation in the country, the federal government.

I want that Murdoch girl to look like her.

Does he deliberately pretend to not understand basic economics? How does he intend to pay for these retarded plans of his aside from taxing the hell out of those who provide jobs and tax money until they leave the country entirely?

Is it really that easy to become a politician on the Left? It seems like all you need to do is make insane promises that are fiscal impossibilities and people will still eat it up.

>Federal Job Guarantee

Why is it that the socialist wet dream seems like plantation slavery?

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All I see in my minds eye while reading that is pic related.

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>It's also better than free money or welfare, since the government can hire workers to actually get stuff done instead of letting them be NEETs.

Furthermore, UBI doesn't seem like a very Marxist position to take, in a kind of general sense of the term "Marxism". Marx wanted to unveil the relations of production, and he was very concerned with describing the capitalist mode of production. UBI seems like a very atomizing policy, meant to allow any single person to feel "free" from the necessity of social labor, though they are in fact not "free" from it but dependent on it at all times. This, all still within the capitalist mode of production. Production is a complex social process of different nodes of production feeding into each other and directing each other that we all exist in. UBI seems to presuppose either that we don't exist in this and that goods can come freely to all of us, or that we have reached a post-scarcity where work is totally irrelevant.

Even in an ideally functional system of Marxist lower stage socialism as laid out in the Gotha Program, maybe more Cockshott-esque since he seems to have the most popular formulation of it, I'd think at best we'd find that the labor that is socially desired is less than a 40hr work week. Maybe significantly less. In that case, it may be that there is "unemployment", but in order to make the system social and rational you'd have cyclical work duty where an individual gets some relatively large amount of time off, and then has to work for the rest of the year. Or maybe for appropriate jobs like service work they'd get to choose to just have very low hours and share their work with other people year round. But not many of the practical Marxists suggest that in a scarcity economy any able-bodied person is just going to get unqualified free access to the social product.

I think that is a communism joke.

That's the joke. The federal government, like most others, is actually a corporation.

>Unsustainable
How is it not unsustainable?
>Spend more money on jobs that could be done better by private companies
Yet those companies aren't hiring people. Might as well let the government step in and help the unemployed.
I'm leftist as well, but I'm not really in favor of a UBI. It doesn't really alleviate poverty in a way that the FJG does.

gov't should only subsidize fed loans for professions that are actually needed.

be smart about this shit and stop being a faggot about everything. provide incentives for actual jobs that we need today, or even jobs that are predicted. even if they don't pan out, the people using the program aren't out of luck.

the banks get to diversify their loans as well. they play the pool of actual profession loan degrees.

>no more gender studies degress. no more authors who have nothing to say because they've never lived life.

this is a win win for everyone.

Go purity spiral somewhere else. People need jobs and at least the government is hiring. Can't say that about the kike controlled (((private businesses)))

But incorporated governments are (((private businesses.))) Don't you know your history at all?

to expand upon this, i think banks should take responsibility into degree loans they invest in. the idea they they're giving loan money to motherfuckers who want to learn reatarded shit society doesn't need is ridiculous.

>14 states post lowest unemployment numbers in history
>trump greatest jobs president ever
>Bernie wants redistribution through federal "jobs"

Honestly, I can see the appeal to the laziest fucks of society. Guaranteed job for $15 per hour, just show up and get paid and fuck off all day and do nothing. Its guaranteed. Still, how many won't show up for the second day?

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>not understanding the Federal Reserves policy on unemployment
>not understanding responsible fiscal policy
>not even checking FederalReserve.gov before opening his cunt mouth
Your ignorance is absolutely infuriating. There is, by publicaly acknowledged policy, Capitalists instituting measures to regulate unemployment. Fucking kys

>want and or need a job
>be too lazy to go out and get a job
>get rewarded with an automatic job paying more than pretty much any entry level job
>feel the bern

what the fuck?

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Or-hear me out- we can make college free :')
>tfw you just got fired from a recession
>tfw there aren't any private sector companies that are hiring workers because they too are laying off workers
>tfw you try and start your own business, but with the recession, you can't generate any sales
>tfw you need a job, but because some Jow Forumsfag says you're a lazy fuck, you can't get at least a minimum wage job from the government
>tfw

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Responsibly fiscal policy is balancing the economy and tackling real issues like unemployment, poverty and crime, not the fucking deficit

If this is accurate, what would be funding these government jobs at this so called "minimum wage" of 15$/hr. Not only that, what sort of jobs would these be? Registering people for social services?

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have you ever worked with a nigger that doesnt want to be at work, these people dont deserve to have a job they should just rot in the streets or be culled

>Where does the money come from that can guarantee the minimum wage?
The same way the government funds its bloated military, bailed out the banks, and combat poverty: Crediting accounts, or "printing money"
>What sorts of jobs would they be?
Any jobs that aren't being dominated by the private sector but are still in demand. Infrastructure for those who are qualified is one example. Veteran and Disability services is another, and so on

Also, you can complain about the $15 minimum wage, but let me tell you it costs waaaay more to fund for a safety net, more police, more prisons, more suicides, more medicare and medicaid, etc. all of which are a result of people struggling to find employment.

And if the answer I gave earlier about what sorts of jobs would they be because you might not consider it productive, note that it is way more productive than being on welfare and being unemployed.

>he was fucked by his own party
>actually had a chance
>wants to use the same mouthpiece that fucked him
>after being mouth fucked in front of the whole world by his own people and taking NO action, thinks people care
Keep me posted

Or it could be because some jobs are temporary, sometimes businesses fail, and sometimes people quit their jobs.

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>Bernie Sanders is actually a reactionary

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The government has tried programs like this before and it hasn't worked well. Best case is that people can be paid to improve public goods like the environment. More likely case is that it turns into something like AmeriCorp subsidizing shit tier leftist nonprofits. Worst case, it distorts the labor market causing inflation, costing taxpayers bigly, and taking people away from actual productive work.

Honestly, paying people to plants trees and pick up garbage would be about the best possible outcome.

With what money.

>reactionary
Go sew Aisha's cunt shut.

did i say something?

>Some jobs are temporary
Problem with the current system. We aren't producing more and more permanent jobs, we are producing more and more temporary jobs
>Sometimes businesses fail
So because businesses fail we should let the workers take a huge hit and just let them be unemployed?
>Some people quit their jobs
Then they wouldn't be considered unemployed by definition. Unemployment are for people who are actively looking for jobs because they were involuntarily displaced from their current one

>Bernie Sanders is actually a reactionary
I think it's on record.

The only acceptable plan is to have Bernie as a lampshade in Trump's office.

yes. bernie sanders is a reactionary. is that wrong?

>bernie lamp
that would insult global warming
such a thing should have a computer controlled LED system to display how much more energy efficient it is

> give everyone $15 per hour to work at a job with no performance requirement
> gibs brings 15 up to 30 or 40.
> No one wants to do a real job for less than $60 $70 per hour, because the performance requirement is triple that of the gov job.
> French fries now cost $40 because McDonald’s has to pay fry cooks 6 figure salaries.

What could go wrong?

Fuck that commie bastard.

>temporary
Industries have seasonal hiring cycles to meet demand. Nobody needs a mall santa in July.
>businesses fail
That what unemployment insurance is for
>quitters
No, unemployed is defined as any person who is actively looking for work, but does not have a job. The BLS definition is something like a person who has searched for a job in the past 4 weeks. A person who quits a job to look for work full time is unemployed. Look at pic related, that's a company people quit in order to find a better job

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Well the worst case scenario is most likely impossible to happen, because the Job Guarantee will provide a buffer stock on labor. The government sets the wage at a livable wage, which can be debated, but if the livable wage the government sets is higher than what the market wage is, then more people will flock to the JG program until the market wages are higher than that of the government wages and consequently stabilize the price regardless of the quantity of the said buffer stock. (The Gold Standard operated under the same way with gold instead of labor)

The conventional method, which is the government spending a fiscal stimulus in the hopes that it increases aggregate demand, relies on the fact that it will somehow create more jobs, regardless of the demand of engineers, manufacturers, etc, thus resulting in an inflationary crisis. However, the FJG does it the opposite way because it provides jobs directly where they are needed and in the exact quantity as they are needed, so it isn't inflationary

No, it's actually not wrong. You have seen around the Jewish wordplay. The word "reactionary" is supposed to mean the kind of murderer right wing hard core guy who believes he should plow fields, keep his wife in a cage, rape his children, and generally do all the worst things of which we accuse Islam.

Funny shit.

Do you believe every citizen wants to work?

How do people take this retarded commie seriously?

that's run of the mill caricature of right wingers, which isn't really what reactionary in this sense aims at. what i mean by reactionary in this case is bourgeois bribery of the working class. bernie sanders basically is part of the system that manages the common affairs of the bourgeoisie and what he effectively offers is the same system where the majority of laborers work for wages and are kept away from direct control of production and distribution. these underlying mechanics still exist despite whatever attempts democrats try to do to cover it up with welfare checks and punitive taxes on the owners of capital.

pol btfo

>mfw someone understand what terms mean and has an intelligent rebuttal

You could at least take off the meme flag. Is there something wrong with your reasoning?

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I'd be for a "guaranteed pay for work" policy, but not a "free money to show up" policy. For example, guarantee pay for things like cutting trees in the way of power lines or cleaning traffic signs (before an after pics for each of course) and paying these tasks by how much is done, so pay proportional to productivity.

What I don't want to see is people getting guaranteed federal jobs to be in an office and maybe answering a phone daily, but getting paid for an entire day.

Pretty good idea tbqh.

What do you get paid for? Ever cut trees or clean traffic signs yourself?

this. but its still better to give them shit work than give money.

That's what the Federal Job Guarantee is.....

The "free money to show up" is more along the lines of UBI, which I am against

we need socialism first

then when socialism brings the nation to it's knees, we'll become tribal and enact martial law

out military is nationalistic by it's nature, so it will attempt to secure the borders and the great purge will begin. illegals will get the boot. citizens will revert to tribalism and fight amongst themselves for the remaining limited resources. those with the most fire power and strategic placement will dominate.

we will begin again, much stronger and purer a nation. no more cucked free market globalist bullshit. no more immigration and leftist identity progressive bullshit politics. cold hard national socialist democracy, like britain but not all fucked up. it will be a great time to be an american once again.

>its still better to give them shit work than give money.
Why? Do they want work?

>jobs directly where they are needed
Are you high or retarded? Government is unable to properly allocate resources that quickly. I work in an economic field for the government. Accurate economic data is always late as hell and quick data is always inaccurate. A massive centrally planned government employment program could not act with the degree of accuracy and speed you're suggesting.

That works in a war time economy because goals are defined and product choice is limited. Consumer economies have too many decentralized parts and shifting demands for centrally planned employment to work. The USSR could make tanks and steel mills, but could never figure out blue jeans and cassette players.

Tell Laquon he has to actually work and he'll call you raciss

The FJG info I'm finding online is all advocating to pay them hourly not per bridge built, etc.

I usually trim my own trees near the lines.

>Tell Laquon he has to actually work and he'll call you raciss
He is kangs after all

>I usually trim my own trees near the lines.
So, in other words, you're taking jobs away from the the slobs who won't do them.

gj

>isnt it weird how their a proven statisical number of individuals who are unemployable for reasons solely of their own responsibility.
Lazy NEET in moms basement living off food stamps is considered "unemployed" there will ALWAYS be people who dont want to work but expect everyone to take care of them, very much like yourself. Here's an alternative to the word unemployed "non-contributing member of society"

>you're taking jobs away from the the slobs who won't do them
The government should is obligated to trim them. The problem is that it takes them years for their hourly employees to get around to it, and I cbf to lose my power every few years to branches.

This is why they should be paid by the branch and/or cut tonnage.

Unemployment statistics include ALL persons not working. Being eligible for unemployment insurance is an entirely different thing.

Who said it had to be centrally planned? This FJG can be decentralized as much as it needs to, where the proposals and projects could be assigned to local governments, non-profit community services, parks and rec agencies, school districts, workers co-ops, etc. Local communities could propose projects and local agencies or governments could run them for example.

It beats the government stipend plan. At least we theoretically get work out of it.

As long as the jobs consist of cleaning up our disgusting ass cities then I'm all for it

As long as they are paid proportionately to what they produce (the guy who makes 5 parks of the same quality as the guy who makes 1 of that quality gets 5x the pay), this can work. Too bad 100% of these FJG proposals are paying them hourly.

So basically Marx's Labor Theory of Value

Got it

Translate that to practical terms. How can it pay FJG employees on contract as opposed to hourly?

unemployment means different things in different countries, Japan has unemployement, but a lot of that is people not wanting to work because they already have everything they need and are supported by their family, it's not like here where job hunting is becoming a shitshow.

I guess that's something that could be up to the states or localities.

Also irrelevant, but I wish a Senator who actually understands economics was pushing this plan other than Sanders. The fact that Sanders pushes these ambitious programs but can't address basic concerns the public has that even the most naive economist can damages his reputation and the reputation of the programs he wants to implement.

>inb4 "senators, economically educated, pick one"

Someone calls out porky and half of Jow Forums starts defending the Capitalist that poison their nations.
Honestly this is the first thing Sanders has done that isn't s cosmopolitan socialist ploy. It's probably because he wants to get more Trump/"outsider" supporters and it will probably work too since Dems are in shambles right now.

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Reminder that the largest employer in the United States is the US Military

How is this any different?

What would it take to change the leadership of FJG proponents in a way that they opt for a sustainable contract-pay system in place of the ubiquitously proposed hourly-pay system?

This
Because you don't have to go fight in wars in the Middle East and make the (((defense contractors)))) rich off of soldier and civilian deaths

That's a political decision that you would probably have to bring up to the localities.

Bro I'm not some politician or an economist who knows every single thing about FJG and how its structured, I just know its a really good idea that can be practically implemented

If your stat doesn't include Asians, than its proven leftist propaganda.

>Bigger government that everyone is beholden to
No thanks.

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Fair enough.

I'd recommend looking at countries with successful FJG programs and overlaying them to American intricacies. Then you can have a real FGJ, one with specifics and not just "meme FJG it can work guys I promise, I know just because".

Why does anyone think this is feasible in any way? seriously help me learn ur retard ways

"make the (((defense contractors)))) rich off of soldier and civilian deaths"

1000 times this I hope I'm alive the day those parasites finally get court marshaled.

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