Was Bavaria betrayed by Hitler's idea of "a unified Germany with one common German people"?
Bavarian is not a dialect of German, as much as Swedish is not a dialect of Danish.
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Ayden Taylor
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Ryan Martinez
Bavarian will just be replaced by Turkish and Farsi, so who cares who betrayed whom
Jacob Baker
I thought history was supposed to give us some "moral guidance", at least to avoid making the same mistakes.
Jeremiah Collins
>Bavarian is not a dialect of German, as much as Swedish is not a dialect of Danish.
Swedish must be very much a dialect of Danish then.
Luis Rodriguez
You can clearly read the difference:
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Jayden Peterson
Christian Gonzalez
Written Bavarian is just spelled as it's pronounced, but the grammar is the same as in high German. Nobody has been using Bavarian as a written language since the Renaissance btw, Bavarian wikipedia is a larp.
Angel Foster
Hitler was from Austria and therefore from the Southern/Catholic part of Germany.
His policies and support were more rooted in Northern/Protestant Germany though.
But Hitler managed to do what wasn't possible before: He actually unified Germany, and the way we Germans are looking at Germany today is to a huge part due to Hitler. But we don't know that or rather aren't allowed to know that.
Landon Nelson
Ehh I think Napoleon did most of the work.
Ryan Jenkins
>Nobody has been using Bavarian as a written language since the Renaissance btw, Bavarian wikipedia is a larp.
Alright.
(I don't know Bavarian, and a very little German.)
What about historic heritage?
Apparently Bavaria still has a duke.
Leo Jenkins
I think Hitler focused more on the loss of war of WW1, while Bavaria was more concerned about the loss of monarchy.
I know Germany came to be because of Prussia. I don't know much about Bavarian history, though.
David Ross
>I know Germany came to be because of Prussia.
Oh yeah, and it was Prussia against Austria, but not the same Austria Hitler was born in.
Asher White
>I think Hitler focused more on the loss of war of WW1
*for Germany
Josiah Ward
That was shortlived. It took another 55 years to actually unify Germany and that wasn't even as deep a unification as we have today. Bavaria e.g. had it's own Eisenbahnamt and Telegrafenamt just to make it obvious for everybody that Bavaria is it's own state and isn't dependent on the Reichseisenbahn and the Reichspostamt.
And we made claim to these rights with imprissive buildings:
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Gabriel Reyes
Don't know about that. Saxons were pretty bummed about the loss of their monarchy as well. Even the republicans who "forced" the king to resign did cheer on the king.
Camden Hall
>what is volk
Colton Long
>Apparently Bavaria still has a duke.
The free state Bavaria is a parliamentary republic, I have no idea what he's talking about.
The Austro-Prussian war is where you'd look for a Bavarian victim narrative but the reality is that Bavarians where about ready for a German nation after the Napoleonic wars. They probably would have preferred a Hapsburger for Kaiser though.
Parker Gomez
It took so long because the revolution attempt in 1848 failed. Thanks to the frogs the will for unification was greater in general population than among kings.
Angel Collins
>Was Bavaria betrayed by Hitler's idea of "a unified Germany with one common German people"?
>Germany was made severely handicapped because of WW1.
>Hitler wanted to make Germany great again.
>NSDAP operated mainly from Bavaria.
>Beer Hall Putsch happened
>Hitler talks about one common German people.
Ok, so what was the Bavarians' views on Hitler?
You are all talking about stuff I don't know much about, maybe I should do some more research before starting a thread.
Camden Watson
Actually, foreigners in Bavaria are often well-integrated and speak Bavarian.
Cameron Butler
>Ok, so what was the Bavarians' views on Hitler?
If I recall that Bavaria wanted to break away and join France and Austria under the rule of the Pope.
Gavin Scott
Daniel Turner
>Ok, so what was the Bavarians' views on Hitler?
His election results where not too different from the German average I think, but we where already pretty damn united and he never did anything to suppress regional culture anywhere unlike other Fascists.
Tyler Barnes
>he never did anything to suppress regional culture anywhere unlike other Fascists.
That's what I wanted to know, thanks.
Gabriel Cox
Bavarian grammar isn't the same as german
for example: other tenses being used, double negatives, triple negatives, no superlative, more and different subjunctive
also different words:
zutzeln, Noagal, fei
to just name a few
Dominic Robinson
no that was under a french puppet gov, a movement funded and instigated by the french. Literally the reasons the germans considered the french as their worst enemy
Jose Perry
>the will for unification was greater in general population than among kings.
Well of course. It was the age of nationalism and every ruler feared getting the short end of the stick.
>It took so long because the revolution attempt in 1848 failed.
I'm talking about a more deeper kind of unification. To feel to be part of a country with a common fate wasn't too proclaimed before 1930. Everybody wanted to have a nice and big Germany but wanted to keep to themselves for the most part. E.g. it was absolutely unthinkable to have a Catholic/Protestant mixed marriage before the 1950s. Someone had to convert.
Before Hitler it was a bit like Switzerland/Germany today. We have our differences which we cultivate and cherish but when someone from Switzerland is on holiday here we can immediately talk intimate talk about niggers, Kanacken, refugees and big politics with much sympathy.
We still don't want each other to intermingle too much or have the other have a say in our internal affairs. But it's completely normal in Germany for the Länder to criticize each other and make demands.
>Ok, so what was the Bavarians' views on Hitler?
Bavaria was too conservative to bring someone like Hitler into the highest positions. Bavarians wanted their monarchy back and shake off the foreign rule. Hitler was dreaming about Welthauptstadt Germania and other megalomaniac things.
That's exactly the problem.
You don't know shit.
Jacob Watson
This desu
Thomas Foster
>Bavaria was too conservative to bring someone like Hitler into the highest positions.
Then, why did they allow NSDAP to operate within their lands?
They also hold the rights to Mein Kampf.
It would seem more like Bavaria does not like its democratic overlords, pre-WW2 or after.
Aiden Howard
wrong
Hitler didn't do pretty well in catholic regions, because they very often voted for the catholic center party
Carson Rogers
>They also hold the rights to Mein Kampf.
spiegel.de
oh, never mind
Christopher Reyes
>Then, why did they allow NSDAP to operate within their lands?
Why wouldn't they? You think Bavaria sided with the communists? Bavaria had a commie government for about 1 year, then we assassinated them in the street openly.
>hey also hold the rights to Mein Kampf.
So? It was first printed in Munich.
>It would seem more like Bavaria does not like its democratic overlords, pre-WW2 or after.
Bavaria had one of the earliest parliaments in the world (13th century). That's not very well known, not even here in Bavaria. We just don't like anybode else interfering in our business. The Austrians can have a say. We like them.
Austin Morris
>We just don't like anybode else interfering in our business.
Alright. I think I get it now.
Bavaria does not cling to specific ideology like National Socialism, but does not mind it if it is to their own benefit (or one lesser of two evils).
Pretty much like Norway, during WW2, huh?
Aaron Flores
Self-interest is not such a special/unique feature for nations, people and individuals.
Jason Russell
>Was Bavaria betrayed by Hitler's idea of "a unified Germany with one common German people"?
Why would they be?
Pretty much every German pre-austro/prussian war agreed that germany needed to get centralized, they only disagreed on who should be in charge of it
Both sides were fine with Uncle Adolf
>Bavarian is not a dialect of German
Yes it is