A total of 3,962 such staff from the European Economic Area (EEA) left the Nursing and Midwifery Council register between 2017 and 2018. The register tracks who is eligible to work in those areas of healthcare in the UK.
The number of departures was 28% more than the 3,081 who left in 2016-17 and three times higher than the 1,311 who did so in 2013-14, the first year the NMC began keeping data on such departures.
At the same time, the number of EU nurses and midwives coming to work in the UK has fallen to its lowest level. Just 805 of them joined the NMC register in 2017-18. That total is just 13% of the 6,382 who came over the year before.
“It feels that efforts to boost the number of nurses are being dragged down by a botched Brexit,” said Janet Davies, the chief executive of the Royal College of Nursing.
I think it's just british people leaving in general
No one really wants to live in an authoritative shithole where they might get stabbed or raped by a gang
Ryan Gutierrez
I don't know how it works in the UK, but to be a midwife in OB in the States takes a BSN and another year and a half of schooling. It's far more than a remedial entry-level job.
>british women in a hard working environment nice joke there lad
Jack Mitchell
>Just 805 of them joined the NMC register in 2017-18. That total is just 13% of the 6,382 who came over the year before. Ok, so the departures are about normal but no new ones are coming.
Logan Gonzalez
>we'll have to start paying our own women minimum wage to do a remedial, entry-level job.
>experienced, trained nurses >entry-level jobs
Ok, faggot, I hope you enjoy the "services" of your NHS soon.
Adrian Parker
>doesn't want an Asian to verbally and physically abuse you when you're just trying to help Leave, good for them.
Oh nooooo who will ever take people's blood pressure and see how tall they are?
Mason Howard
Socialist healthcare... Need i say more? They dont come because the pay is shit (because in commiecare most money goes into corruption, waste and bureaucracy )
Wyatt Smith
>Oh nooooo who will ever take people's blood pressure and see how tall they are?
In the UK, doctors don't do any real work, only nurses do the work. Doctors spend 80% of their time filling out bureaucratic paperwork, because the UK has a socialist healthcare system.
Christian James
All in good time, we need to start training British people as doctors..
i had a funny happening just recently. im an american in sweden and constantly bantering about "glorious socialist healthcare", now his relative is sick and hes made a gofundme cuz he doesnt want to use the public healthcare system. I LUL'd SO HARD
Nathaniel Collins
batering with a native swedish coworker who always goes on about how great free public healthcare is* forgot to incldue
Brandon Morris
>nursing >entry level job Moron
Landon Walker
European socialist healthcare system are supposed to make people die fast if they get real sick. Poor and lower middle class people are not supposed to survive serious illnesses for long.
I thought this goal of socialist healthcare was clear, no?
The American healthcare system works in the same way for the poor and lower middle class.
Ian Ortiz
>European socialist healthcare system are supposed to make people die fast if they get real sick. Poor and lower middle class people are not supposed to survive serious illnesses for long. Then why has universal healthcare improved the lifespan and living standards of the poorest and the lowest classes? Moron.
Colton Torres
Im sure it has nothing to do with wages getting worse and longer more stressful hgours due to NHS having to spend large amounts of its Budget on health tourists and immigrants
Bentley Phillips
Oh no, nobody to administer poisonous "vaccines".
Jaxon King
Working for the nhs is hell and the recruiters paint a picture of streets filled with gold to these girls from eastern eruope word of mouth means less of them choose to come to uk
Dominic Watson
I don't know how it is over in Bongland, but here in Burgerland it is pretty much treated as such complete with low expectations. The requirements are rather low, the expectations are low and you get what you pay for.
Dominic Sullivan
Oh no, a lunatic with an opinion
Aaron Stewart
>Then why has universal healthcare improved the lifespan and living standards of the poorest and the lowest classes?
It seriously hasn't. You believe "statistics". Seriously, look it up.
I make a lot of money here in Germany because I have a good job. But I also have a chronic illness which cannot be cured and had that since I was 17. I pay a shitton out of pocket, because I can only get socialist healthcare insurance because private insurers are allowed to reject me. Under the socialist insurance policy I have, certain treatment which is common for privately insured people is not paid for by the socialist insurance (because only the hospitals which are privately run have the equipment for the treatment). It costs me 4-5k a year in the last 3 years alone. I assume most poor and lower middle class people could not come up with this money and either just die or have some serious, alternative surgery which renders them unfit for work and seriously shortens their lifespan.
I am not kidding here, I have seen this firsthand. I also have experienced the NHS system, which is way better than the German system... but still way worse than the US system.
Brayden Long
>and longer more stressful hgours due to NHS having to spend large amounts of its Budget on health tourists and immigrants
I am sure the situation is getting better by the day now that so many nurses are leaving.
John Powell
There are several different types of nurses in the US. The requirement to become a registered nurse in the US aren't low (that is why there is a massive shortage and high demand, lots of people drop out) and it pays very well.
Daniel Perez
It seriously has, you're a fucking idiot. Simple access to drugs to the lowest classes has decreased mortality by leaps and bounds.
Juan Collins
>Simple access to drugs to the lowest classes has decreased mortality by leaps and bounds.
Access to drugs and new medical procedures was responsible for higher life expectancy until around 1950. Then the socialist system took over and since then life expectancy only increased due to the general changes in work life and society. In the last years, life expectancy has stagnated and now is going down in Europe. Guess why.
We already do. We train almost the maximum number allowed by the medicine body. The amount of doctors we can train every year is kept artificially low so doctors can get a higher salary, among other benefits.
Adrian Cox
>average age in 1840 is 40-45
Bullshit. You must consider the higher mortality rate among newborns and children. People were regularly living into their 60s and 70s since the dark ages.
Elijah Thomas
Nurses get paid okay in the UK, but much lower than places like Norway.
Julian Torres
As much as I hate Great Shitstain, I realize we have a bigger enemy. US, Britain, and France are Eternal allies.
Chase Hall
>Euros fuck off >gap filled with nonwhites
Justin Richardson
Not during the industrial revolution. People were dying artificially at a much lower age because of the horrific working conditions and environmental conditions.
Dylan Lewis
There's a difference anymore?
Christopher Perry
and now you will import pakis, niggers, and poos instead of shitistainis
Charles Young
Wouldn't you be rejected by the US insurances as well?
Jace Reed
Hey hey. Job market is opening up!
Aiden Hughes
That's what brexit cucks want
Lincoln Myers
After many, many years sure. This is assuming no errors and you're also likely to be forced to work unpaid internships at 70 hours per week for a year to "pad your resume," and even then to make good monry like that, you're still looking st 70 hours per week. Oh, and don't forget the expensive as shit insurance you're forced to pay into becausd lawsuits. That 100k quickly starts to dwindle because of that.
Cooper Bennett
Why do you care german. Worry about your communist leader.
How much would you have to pay for third party damage insurance
Ryan Barnes
>Wouldn't you be rejected by the US insurances as well?
Nope, due to Obamacare, private insurers are not allowed to reject you in the US. And due to Trump's changes in the system, you don't even have to pay a penalty now if you don't want to get insurance at all. In Germany I am forced to pay a shitton of money into the socialist healthcare system which doesn't pay the shit I need... while having to pay out of pocket for what I need. It is the worst system out there, I pay for Syrians and Iraqis, while not getting anything back from the "insurance".
Brayden Hernandez
You look like an outlier to the system. In the USA, you wouldn't even get insured in the first place due to your condition.
Also, the poorest of the poor are never the issue. They get insurance through systems like medicare and medicaid. It's the 'middle classes' (whatever the fuck they are nowadays) that get royally shafted through the American healthcare system.
Gabriel Edwards
Most of those nurses were probably hastily trained refugees and desperate polish ex-prostitutes anyways.
>Euros fuck off >Non-whites leave >Gaps filled with british people and "british" people
Ethan Long
>Why do you care german. Because two world wars and 1 world cup. Why else? Why even ask?
>4000 is nothing for a developed country... It's close to 1% of the British nursing/midwife staff. If this keeps up for a few years, the British system will be close to collapse.
Brayden Scott
The stats I'm referring to are for average working hours.
Lincoln Allen
tory austerity strikes again
Mason Ramirez
>In the USA, you wouldn't even get insured in the first place due to your condition. Wrong. Look it up. You cannot discriminate for pre-existing illnesses in the US. And private insurance is cheaper than what I (and my employer) pay monthly for the socialist public insurance here in Germany which I get nothing out of.
Parker Barnes
>Euros fuck off >Non-whites leave >Gaps filled with british people and "british" people That's the dream, in reality the lag between need, policy development, implementation, and results will be years and gaps will be filled with migrants, as always.
Nathan Butler
Duh, thats the western way, patch up everything with shitskins and then wonder why it sucks
Jackson Kelly
only shitty obamacare is against discriminating. every other company will charge you premium or simply reject you. however we do have tons of charities that help those with pre existing conditions. we arent that barbaric
Carter Clark
>You cannot discriminate for pre-existing illnesses in the US Anymore. Let's see how that'll work out in the near-future.
Also, what? In the USA, my silver plan was something like 900 USD per month in total, of which my employer paid ~700 or so. Taking into account out of pocket etc., that number grows substantially over a year.
But maybe it's different in Germoney. I've found the Austrian system to be rather cheap and quite efficient. Back when I was working here, my humble pay was something like 3700 gross per month, of which less than 700 was social security, which includes health insurance (amongst others).
Jeremiah Morales
The problem with socialized healthcare is that you can see the people it saves but never the people it kills by offering mediocre services to people who could afford better if they were't paying it for lazy bums.
France has a 20% less survival rate on prostate cancer than the US, let that sink for a minute.
>France has a 20% less survival rate on prostate cancer
Is that all prostate cancer, or only those who seek treatment? Also, is this 5-year survival rate or what metric exactly?
We know the USA is the world leader in cancer treatment - at least for those that can afford it. Most can't.
Joshua Torres
>Nope, due to Obamacare, private insurers are not allowed to reject you in the US. Well, there's a reason why Obamacare collapsed. Wasn't that all about the premiums and preconditions?
>you don't even have to pay a penalty now if you don't want to get insurance at all Well, that will work even less than before, will it not? Who's going to pay for all the stuff if nobody chips in when he isn't ill?
>It is the worst system out there, I pay for Syrians and Iraqis, while not getting anything back from the "insurance". Yeah, we get ripped off massively but I disagree with you that the NHS is better. They pay less (as a % of GDP) than we do but their system is complete shit and nothing works and never in time.
Dylan Diaz
>In the USA, my silver plan was something like 900 USD per month in total, of which my employer paid ~700 or so. I am paying 1000 euros here (the max capped amount) split between me and my employer. And I am paying this for "public" healthcare insurance that I haven't used for years except for the odd prescription which costs next to nothing.
Meanwhile I get rejected by private insurance companies and have to pay out of pocket for procedures I need. The most ridiculous thing I have experienced was 2 years ago, I needed an MRI of the inner bowel and that was pretty critical as my doctor suggested an obstruction may form which requires emergency surgery. So he sends me to the next hospital, I wait for 4 hours only to be told by the resident doctor that the MRI can only be done if I get admitted overnight and then the MRI will only be performed on the Monday (I was there on Thursday afternoon). I was also told that if I refuse to get admitted as an emergency patient, I could only get on the "public insurance waiting list" which will require a 2 1/2 month waiting for the MRI. I was then offered to pay 500 euro out of pocket... and get the MRI on Monday without having to be admitted to the hospital.
Well, at first I was furious, so I started to call other hospitals, 7 actually. 4 rejected me outright for not having private insurance and the other 3 also offered waiting list places 2month and longer (one literally told me the first available spot for a publically insured person was 5 months later).
Well, half an hour later, I said I will pay the 500 euro and had my MRI on that Monday. At that point they kept me after the MRI because the MRI doctor was concerned the obstruction might be so acute I could die "within days". Well, I didn't, but got a ballon dilation (not emergency surgery) a week later, which again I had to pay mostly myself, because no hospital which accepts public insurance offers it.
So much for our brilliant socialist healthcare system.
Lincoln Johnson
>Germany taking in millions of "refugees" >Insist on other countries doing the same >UK says "no more" >German starts talking shit
Yea, I don't think so, kraut. Im of German heritage, and you're a fucking disgrace.
Liam Edwards
UK barely took any of those mudskins, retard, they are importing subhumans on their own
David Howard
Well, I'm sorry that it's been shitty for you but clearly the system is meant to serve all of its society, and outliers always exist.
Also, I thought healthcare payments in Germany were capped, no? How do you end up with 1000 Euros? The cap is something like 400, so you pay another 600 for private insurance?
Michael Lee
lmao stupid britbongs and krauts think that healthcare is a right. It is a privilege. If you cannot afford healthcare you are an expendable,.
Oliver Rogers
But can you infer from only that the number of losing nurses will be as constant as that? And that the system will not adapt to cover vacancies?
Over time, demand will increase, wages will go up and working conditions too, the only thing to be worried about is the small gap between the adjustment.
Wyatt Morgan
>And that the system will not adapt to cover vacancies?
Adapt how? Parliament isn't willing to boost NHS funding despite the whole 350 mil per week fuckup. Nurses are actively sought, and have been in the last decade - it's a guaranteed job. But you can't just conjure them up. If the UK started to actively and heavily advertise nursing as a career NOW, you might see an effect in 15 years, which is about 16 years too late.
Angel Long
Good.
Because in this country, those who have a degree in nursing need jobs. Britain can build relations with the commonwealth. Botswana is a member of the commonwealth. If they need nurses and doctors, take it from this country, not from Islamic nations.
Matthew Murphy
>If they need nurses and doctors, take it from this country, not from Islamic nations.
Botswana has less than 3 million inhabitants, Pakistan has more than 200 million.
Jacob Fisher
Yeah, its three years training to get a nursing degree. Pity the government cut grants for students a while back, resulted in the low student nurse levels now due to a degree being unafordable to most.
Benjamin Powell
how many Pakistanis are medical professionals?
James Ward
Probably about the same percentage as Botswanians. Law of large numbers and so on.
Dominic Barnes
HAHAHA, UK is fucked that not even shitskins want to be there, they know there's too many of them, they don't feel safe.
Jayden Price
Yes, please UK. Blame all fails on a decision that hasn't even materialized yet. Seriously, what has come of Brexit so far? Are they still in the EU? When will they be out? The NHS can suck it.
Colton Butler
You don't need to pay to study, not upfront anyway. And then it's about 50 quid a month with no interest when you're earning 30k. And if you do nursing you get the same employment rate as doctors, a guaranteed job.
It's a hard job and it doesn't pay amazingly, on top of requiring a decent amount of science knowledge. Hence the low supply.
Hunter Green
I see.
Nathan Long
Its cheaper to hire staff that were trained abroad, thats the same old bottom line.
Every time i go to hospital, the staff seem to be bulbous fatties or africans.
Connor King
Nothing changes if you make no changes. Brexit only means possibility of change, but if you want no change, then no change will happen automagically.
Robert Nelson
Did anyone else look at their noses first and see it? I always look at noses now when I look at photographs.
>Nurses are actively sought, and have been in the last decade
They are, but under inhumane shifts and understaffed, the only thing you have garanteed is the job in itself, but people that come to the UK as nurses is because the conditions are really dreadfull in their countries or there is no pay and they are just getting old without any kind of experience, and many times this fact is taken advantage by employers in the NHS.
Also, if there is a shortage I would rather say that at minimum you should see an increase in mainland created nurses in around 4-6 years, and recovering in 10 years, since the government can increase the number of students that can study that degree, then add the fact that it's an stable job after a big financial crisis and people will surely join.
That's why 4000 is not a worrying number at all, if you were to tell me something like 20.000 or so then the UK should be worried since there is definely no way to cover that ammount in a decade, but otherwise you can trust in market dynamics to cover the shortages.
Gavin Stewart
>Tfw you can't wait till the white nurses leave so you can culturally enrich your female patients
Logan Fisher
or maybe its because of their shitty overloaded healthcare and the filth that is packed into their unclean butcher shop they call a hospital.
Nathaniel Gomez
The cap is at 1000 euros a month (employer and employee contribution added up).
I am by no means an outlier, a woman in my team has pretty much the same issue with the German system... also pays out of pocket and needed 2 months wait for a 10min appointment with a surgeon despite being in regular pain.
Alexander Wright
My wife studied four years at university to become a midwife. After graduating she left her job within 12 months. Overworked, underpaid, constant bitchiness between staff, heartless social services waiting by the bedside to steal babies, immigrant men making their wives sleep on the floor whilst they take the hospital bed, having to pay to park her own car in the hospital grounds, no breaks. Her most memorable shift was having to provide post natal care HERSELF to 14 patients at the same time.
Bentley Powell
there's this insane culture of not bothering to bring up a generation of native british doctors. no worries, says the government, we'll get them from abroad.
imagine the shock of an old lady with dementia in hospital faced with an enormous gorilla nurse with an impenetrable jafaican accent with heavy native african overtones.
