Stalin did a perfectly acceptable amount of things wrong

Russia was better under the Soviet Union than it is now. Change my mind.

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I'm not even a fucking communist.
I just think it worked well, comparatively, under the specific case of Russia.
I know a lot of slav families who came to my country because the country colapsed after the fall, if it weren't for that, they would have better jobs right now, instead of being cleaning ladies and construction workers.

*after the fall of the USSR

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After the USSR Russia got:
- more heroin
- more prostitution
- more crime
- less educated people
- more problems with alcohol

Are the arguments too good for you fuckers to respond or what?

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Why does no one respond to good threads?
This board is dead.

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>being so desperate for attention you need to constantly reply to your own comment because no-one cares
saged

My parents are hardcore anti-communist, but even they agrees, that is soviet time state was more under check by the society then now. Modern Russia is just a private property of 10-20 oligarchs and populas has almost no control.

Russia has always been a subhuman shithole.

that graph doesnt go to the part where we start sanctioning them for being shitty
also it doesnt include when stalin starves everybody

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Is it really fair to compare it to today rather than the Russia before the USSR? The real question is: had the Bolsheviks not hijacked a revolution and installed communism, would Russia have been even better off? The whole transition from communism to not communism is a problem where the state has to relinquish control over much of the economy and institutions. Basically meaning they have to sell stuff. A few individuals can easily buy it up and it results in state created monopolies.

Not to mention the whole installing communism thing in Russia of all places made little sense. As outlined by Marx, communism was supposed to come after capitalism failed. So the Bolsheviks go to the least capitalist country in Europe and install it by hijacking a revolution they didn't even start, and effectively skip an entire step in the process.

my grandmother used to have a B&B in the middle of Edinburgh. After the WW2 two polish brothers stayed there for about two years. They were exiled or some shit but eventually they got told they had to leave and go back to Poland.
They appealed the decision to return them to Poland but the government decided only one of them could stay. My grandmother had to write a letter of recommendation for one of them. The other would probably be sent back and then onward to a gulag.
She wrote the letter and one of them went away. A few months later she sold the B&B and moved away.
My dad once told us to not ask about the war because she would get really sad.
Anyway that lead to her meeting my grandad and therefore to me, so I suppose Stalin's influence was good fortune for me.

The only thing Stalin did was use Western technology to get the Soviet Union out of the 18th century. It looks like he did a lot, the only thing he did was starting industry by looking at the west.

>a perfectly acceptable amount of things wrong
>...
>turned Lenin's state capitalism to full-blown socialism
>made peasants serfs again
>purged a lot of "bad" ordinary people, thus completely discrediting the rule of law on Russian soil yet again
>purged a lot of "bad" elites, thus ensuring that only worst of the worst will end up at the top.
I'd say it's an awful lot

>soviet time state was more under check by the society then now
It stems from the fact that Soviet leadership believed in the Idea at least to some extent. Your new leaders are just a bunch of identityless late-Soviet cynics. So i pretty much agree with your parents.

The only really good criticisms of the USSR I heard is that the Russian republic was used to subsidize a whole bunch of countries. From europe to asia, to africa, to south america. Losing an absurd amount of money.
Russia was used like a biggy bank.

Iunno. Could be true.

>It worked great until the moment it didn't
The moment it doesnt is often defined by the point where the resources needed to keep the population alive are not available and people start dying

The richer you are at the start the longer youll last but youll never last forever

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Stalin is not Soviet Union
He did not form it
He somehow got into power after Lenin and became a dictator, like many EU countries had after WW1
But even if you bash him, USSR did win the war while he was in power
USSR had different epochs
from Gulags during Stalin, to things like liberal press during Gorbachev
the main reason why USSR collapsed was because of Yeltsin (Belovezha accords)
and yes, Russia lost 50% of military industry economy and population, with many millions of Russians suddenly ending up in foreign countries (Crimea, South and East of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Latvia, etc.)