Jordan Peterson's 12 Principles for a 21st Century Conservatism

These are all points that Jow Forums was advocating for as recently as 2016...
what changed?

Hopefully they'll be killing him soon then.

no more jordan peterson posting, there are 3 threads right now you fucking faggot.
/wipe your ass
real fucking insightful, shlomi.

Conservatism isn't enough.

>the fundamental assumptions of western civilization are valid
Explain? I thought the first of these assumptions was that capitalism is inherently flawed and should give way to socialism.

>That guy represents Jow Forums

Why is he identifying with Western values? Has he accomplished nothing on his own?

Fuck off, lefty.

Number 11 is gonna trigger the fuck out of leftists who want to destroy the nuclear family.

Way too status quo so he can keep making patreonbucks...we need a new decentralized productive economy that benefits men and their families...thats it anything else is worthless drivel from his Prozac induced dreams

>being this retarded

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Nigga, that's just good art.

based

seems like common sense to me

"Fundamental assumptions"
And these are?
?

He's talking about liberalism. He views Marxism as an aberration. After all, Marx doesn't own all political thought post-1848
>inb4 muh dialectics
*yawn* take it to /his/

1. Remove all Jewish influence from government
2. Remove all Jewish influence from media
3. Remove all Jewish influence from education
4. Remove all Jewish influence from finance
5. Remove all Jews
6. Build a physical wall on the Southern border
7. Deport all illegal immigrants
8. Repeal the seventeenth and nineteenth amendments
9. Investigate all state officials and ban marxists from holding office
10. Remove all activist judges
11. Restrict all future immigration
12. Secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

>8. it is better to do what everyone else has done, unless you have an extraordinarily valid reason to do otherwise
>t. boomer
Just keep letting the jews rape you into debt slavery, goy. Your grandpa and father loved the kosher cock so why don't you?

>hierarchies of competence are desirable and should be promoted
OK Jow Forumslacks. I want you to tell me what your jobs are. Peterson earns nearly £1 million from patreon alone in one year. I want you to take a look at your job, and how hard you work, and how much get paid and honestly try to justify to yourself that some dumb cunt on a camera saying stupid shit and lies is more valuable than what you produce. Keep in mind here Peterson is literally saying he's better, smarter, superior and deserves more shit than you.

He's not talking about Liberalism, he is a liberal.

>Jow Forums is one person

This.
This nigger peterson says the sky is blue and Jow Forums acts like he found a break through for a parallel universe

If people like what he has to say and are wiling to donate money to him to hear him say more of it, why is that bad?

tired of jordan peterstein. you can't "conserve", you have to go back, as in reaction.

>He's not talking about Liberalism, he is a liberal.

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A little iffy on 4, seems to complicated to explain in a sentence, and to specific to apply as a principal.

The first principle is the fucking vaguest thing I've ever read. Not going to bother reading the rest of this hack's garbage. Sargon's was better which is pretty pathetic.

>You are now aware that Jordan Peterson is just another millionaire telling you to stop being lazy and pay into your retirement savings plan...
I wonder what he stands to gain from all this...

He lets his cult fanbase fill in the blanks with what they like so that he has the least chance of upsetting them. It's all about keeping that sheep money coming in.

Not a JP fan but you can't say he hasn't worked hard to reach his current status. He's been doing this shit for 30 years and only been "famous" for the last year. He didn't just wake up one day and get given a bunch of fucking money and status for no reason

Do the Chapo fags deserve the millions they earn every year?
Or is it only okay when it's your propagandists doing it and not ours?

They are being absorbed into modernist thought by doing so...I advocate for freedom of association sell tickets to events but not a monthly subscription..no one can trust what he says anymore because of it...he doesnt have to come up with any new ideas to introduce just babble on about how he and his family battles depression all the while being solidly upper middle class his whole life

So shut it down because he's saying things you don't like? This sounds an awful lot like antifa...

>He didn't just wake up one day and get given a bunch of fucking money and status for no reason
that's exactly what happened with regards to the pronoun insanity non-issue clown world shit
fucking retards i swear. him, you, and everyone who has anything more to gain from listening to this kike puppet. cowards.

Hes basically saying people from countries/communities/societies who don't hold the same western values shouldn't be assumed to hold them in a western society. So be wary of accepting people from radically different societies.

Multiple flaws in this. Specifically 6 as it's flawed to assume any and all labour should be rewarded. No-one is obligated to buy anything they don't want or need.

9. is also flawed as his personal success is quite literally because he adopted a radical change from the mean and embraced the internet.

>even mentioning government in his points is a signal to grow opressive powers in the future so it resembles what we have today

What we have today is a steady and constant undermining of Western governments and philosophy, blaming the current situation on liberal (the proper meaning, and not the subverted American meaning in which it's the almost the direct antonym) democracy is akin to blaming a store for being robbed, stating if the store didn't exist; there would be nothing for the theif to rob.

After Trump won hillary and cnn and all the fucking rags started complaining about us to thee normies, then 4ch got infested with cancer, its always had an infection but the brain dead cnn watching liberals started coming here. then add to that the paid trolls and disinformation artists and you have what you see here now.

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Ok I keked ...when I trust alex jones more than Peterson I think JP has a problem with people that actually understand what is going on

Did you even read the post? I don't think commies are too keen on hierarchy of competence and limiting the state.

Fuck off Jordan. You're done. Go sell your books and rugs somewhere else.

Because people are fucking idiots and the capitalist system isn't meritocratic in anyway.

LOL you got me there. My brain's hemisphere's didn't communicate properly. Meant to say "he's not talking about leftism, he is a liberal". Liberals aren't strictly leftists and its more a center right to conservative ideology.

No. But why am I going to fight people trying to end the system that allows their wealth over someone trying to promote it? Makes no sense for me.
Also, I personally don't take a "what do people deserve stance", rather, a "what are people entitled to" stance.

> conservatism
literally a CIA psyop to manage the democratic opposition.

Jow Forums has a hard time utilizing it's useful idiots and public figures

Shame the only population that can accomplish this are Whites, and the outlier non-White.

He is 53 years too late.

He didn't write these. He linked to an article that someone made with these listed in there. He merely was just trying to start a discussion.

>Because people are fucking idiots and the capitalist system isn't meritocratic in anyway.
So the only speech that should be allowed under communism is propaganda that upholds the status quo. Got it.

Right, because he doesn't spend half his lecture time shitting on Marxism. OK
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>1. Support Israel
Versus Support other middle east? yeah israel is shitty and we shouldnt send so much money but like muslims far less.
>2. Shame European whites for collective identity
who does this? do you mean national identity? homeland Europeans do far more against their sociological identities than Americans.

>3. Worship Jewish IQ
no one does this
>4. Shame Germans for Nazi history
no one does this

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Alittle vague and on the liberal side, but still good. maybe it would work for a canadian conservative party. here you would have to mention religion and god.

"Honest labor" =/= any and all labor, did you read that rule properly? Within the context of the writing people should assume it meansbeing able to benefit at the will of the laborer.

9. Is just outright true, it encourages people to look into major changes so that they can educate themselves and have their own opinions. If it's good change then the suspision will be rewarded and if It's bad change then your suspision will be preventative

>muh father figure

this is why all e-celebs are cancer, 500 years from now books will be written about how jordan peterson invented the idea of cleaning ones own room. that is peak dystopia, all these fucking single children raised by their mothers needs to be gassed ffs

Where the fuck did you get the idea to assume Peterson needs Patreon money?

Something about this Jordan Peterson guy rubs me the wrong way. Like, he gets a viral YouTube video and now he's suddenly this public intellectual / conservative folk hero?

Where did anyone say that. Point me to the post where I said "So the only speech that should be allowed under communism is propaganda that upholds the status quo".

It was implied.
Jordan Peterson produces content that you find offensive and harmful because it implicitly upholds a capitalist mode of thought. You think it is bad that people give him money to hear what he has to say. This is because you think he is a charlatan. In your communist utopia Peterson would not be allowed to have an audience in the first place.

I don't disagree with the logic, but I feel that particular point is to wordy to get the point across. It requires more rational than it should, because he knows it will sound "racist"

Oh sorry are his neighbor ...those bucks must be improving the neighborhood and increasing property values cant have asset prices falling ...I can see your nose...you know he does it for the money...why doesnt he invest that money in the next generation since he doesnt need it...hes a boomer all he knows is take

>shits on commies AND commie apolisgists in every lecuture
>is a red
just no. dont post about things you have no ideas about

I'm on the fence with him but this sounds great.

It wasn't implied at all. Jordon Peterson can produce whatever content he wants. I'm asking if that makes him more valuable, superior and productive than you. Think about all the hours you're going to pour into work over the course of your life, the missed time with your children, the early mornings swaying out of bed and into the rain, the hours of commuting...I estimate it to be around 10,000 hours over 50 years. All to earn a slither of what this man is earning rambling about bollocks that isn't even true on the internet. Do you think that's meritocratic? Keep in mind he also thinks it entitles him to power over you as well. He's "above you" on the hierarchy.

what are you on about? he has had his leacutres online for years, and we have had threads forever. Are you a newfag?

lol

I remember the time when your containment board had not even been created yet

Good times

I did miss out on the word honest, largely because it's a point that communists bring up in that all labour should be rewarded. Honest only disqualifies criminal activity.

You could spend years upon years developing and working on a completely inferior product that no-one wants or needs, there is absolutely no obligation for anyone to reward or recompense you for your time spent. This includes the government.

9. is putting the cart before the horse in Peterson's case. There is absolutely no way to tell if the internet is even a good change in the moment and will be viewed as such in the future. Embracing it in the way that he has, is a flagrant disregard for his own supposed conservative values, when he should still be sticking to the tried and true "old media" standards and formula.

this idiot can fuck off I'm sick of people telling us how to live socially

Completely lost all respect for Peterson over his completely dishonest jewish IQ bullshit. The worst part is he KNOWS he's full of shit

If we follow his third principle then we can safely ignore everything that he says.
He and others psychologist aren't very competent or reliable, so they would be pretty below in the hierarchy of competence.

Stay mad, prole. Just because many, many, many more people follow and donate to Peterson than Muke doesn't mean you have to get so assmad about it.

If he makes content people enjoy and find insightful, then what he is doing is valuable. Yes, that's meritocratic. If you think you can do what Peterson does, why aren't you?

My stack ranking is
> 1 6 11 3 5 4 10 9 2 8 7 12

Lol fuck off you faggot

Auto luxury gay space communism cant come soon enough

common sense is not common
especially not anymore and not when you have people from backwards countries becoming majorities

it has to be spelt out for them

it has to be codified in language because most americans are not conscious of them, if they're even able to read

nah, society will reset before that, we will return to reality, nothing peterson says will stand out in history as revolutionary

idot

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I'm not assmad, I know capitalism probably won't end in my lifetime. I've accepted it. I want to know how you feel that Peterson is worth 1000 times what you are and his earnings mean he's above you in every way. If Peterson says jump, you say how high.

#7 in that list is pretty much the antithesis of communism. Multiple other points in that post directly contradict communism as well.

>Western civilization

And who makes up western civilization?

Seems pretty good. I can disagree on a few things, but by and large its a coherent platform that you can build a movement around.

Huh? Do you comprehend English? Point #10 calls for as least intrusive government as possible, and nothing that he says contradicts your "make babies produce useful things and enjoy life" philosophy.

>spends 30 years becoming a leader in his field
>only within the last year has become famous and significantly profitable off a video going viral

You're right user, those 30 years where nothing but a ploy to rake in the dosh after an interview with a retarded reporter

This guy is a tool and anyone who takes him seriously should question their decison-making abilities.

You won't win the hearts and minds of "normal" people by appealing to the fringe right.

>fringe right.
The fact you think he's even appealing to the fringe right in the first place shows how batshit this whole situation has become.

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>uses faggot as a pejorative
>wants gay space communism
???

>I want to know how you feel that Peterson is worth 1000 times what you are
I'm not exactly lacking for wealth, but Peterson has millions of people listening to him.

Yeah as much as possible is a concrete legal term that will be upheld indefinitely and will result in ancapistan for sure or a randian paradise of your dreams...no limits were mentioned so I do not assume there are any to Mr Peterson and his views about government

13. With jews, you lose.

He's a pseudo intellectual. Conservatines don't even agree 100% of the time on the "fundemental assumptions" of Western civilization. He should be specific. But like a sophist, he plays on the emotions of his readers/viewers.

It says citizens have a RIGHT to benefit from their own labor, not that citizens are GUARANTEED to benefit, as in the gov needs to guarantee they get paid.

It means that the government may not prevent people from benefiting from their own honest labor.

Read it fucking properly there is nothing fucking wrong with it. It's all common sense

Also all this hatred from communists for conservative public figures that don't produce material goods but instead provide some form of entertainment is really something.
Artists and actors and creatives in the Soviet Union and other socialist states enjoyed far more wealth than the average prole. In part because the state and the people loved what they were producing.
Should the starving artist stay starving because no one is buying what he's selling? Are the successful artists actually leeches because they aren't starving and people actually like that they're selling?

>yeah israel is shitty and we shouldnt send so much money but like muslims far less.
Go back to the_donald you fucking retard. Kikes have completely destroyed Europe and have since degenerated all our social insitutions while making us slaves to usury and are breeding us out.

Muslims driving people over once a month is about 1/100000th of the bad kikes do. How do people like you exist?

>9. is also flawed as his personal success is quite literally because he adopted a radical change

he did not adopt anything radical you colossal fuck

since when it refusing to use gender neutral pronouns a radical change?

he literally became famous for REFUSING radical change

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Number 8 sounds like it's written by a dumb highschooler. "don't stop doing what everyone has always done". Nigger, besides catering to basic human needs like eating and drinking, there isn't much else that EVERYone always does. What is he appealing to? If if he was trying to appeal to conservative traditions like his Judeo Christian crap, then just replace everyone with "muh ancestors since the Franks".