The title says it all. I want some citations as to whether it happened or not. I literally googled it and got some shit that said it happened with no citations or anything. I need some solid shit.
Definition of Holocaust
The systematic deportation, and killing of Jewish and other minor groups in Germany and other nations annexed by the Third Reich. This can not be because of bad conditions, nor un-purposeful. I need definitive proof.
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look through the achives faggot
yes
You can’t prove something didn’t happen.
You have to prove it did happen.
>6,000.000 jews
>5,000,000 "others"
>plethora of horror testimonies of jew "survivors"
>zero testimonies from surviving "others"
hmmmm
Notice how none responded to the bait?
[spoile-RUN!]They're already being targeted[WHAT ARE YOU STI-]
Maths
Were jews rounded up due to their questionable political allegiances?
most likely yes, as this was standard practice at the time (gulags, US internment camps)
Were these rounded up jews, gypsies, and undesirables used as forced labor?
Yes, well documented with photography, film and records
Were some of them killed in this process?
Also likely yes
Were most of these deaths attributed to poor conditions, disease outbreaks (typhus)?
Likely yes, as can be seen in the death tolls from the Spanish Flu post WW1
Were the fed to bears, made into lamps and gasses en mass to the order of 6 million?
Unlikely, as there is little physical evidence to support this occurring, along with many unreliable and unsubstantiated reports (think fake 9/11 survivors ect.). Additionally, it doesn't make logistical sense to devote resources to killing off your free labor source in the middle of a total war (inb4 muh racists didn't care)
Has the current state of Israel greatly benefited from this narrative and used to to justify arguable greater crimes?
Very yes.
If the current historical narrative was correct, it wouldn't be illegal to question it, as evidence should be self evident in support of the commonly accepted theory. However that is not the case.
Whaaa... it’s the Jews fault
inb4 flat-earthers and fake moon landings
Pleb
Need in English plz
ask yourself a simple question
>how could the ovens and gas chambers run 24/7, as they would need to to even get close to the 6 gorillion number, when supply lines were utterly destroyed and most german civilians and the army were starving and unable to get enough supplies themselves
we may have been able to fight a huge percentage of the world pretty much on our shoulders, but we still couldn't and can't do sorcery. and the fact that we had to fight that huge part of the world, already means we didn't have the resources to waste them on this stuff, as we were already struggling - unless we are downright retarded, i wonder how we could've kept putting up such a good fight on two (three) frontlines then tho.
read the transcripts from Nuremberg. If those, and the associated evidence and reports submitted, aren't enough, odds are that nothing will be.
But you already know that and are really here to mock anyone who believes in objective reality.
I’d like a link or something I can have that condensed I mean ffs the publications I’ve found are like 400 pages man
And are we sure that single memo is about the 'undesirables' rounded up, and not about the POWs, who were supposed to be treated differently?
Bump for truth
So you want us to link you to random shit on the internet, to counter other shit on the internet, instead of actually reading the originals, because that's hard work?
>Did the Holocaust Happen?
No
Holodomore happened though
Holodomore = genocide of 20 to 100 million white slave by the hand =s of the (((Bolsheviks)))
Hitler attacked Poland to save the Germans being systematically genocided in Poland from the genocide
d Ike a way to find he meat of those trails if it’s possible. I’m not allergic to research but also I’m aware this isn’t the 90s I don’t have to scour a library
that "single memo" is more evidence against the holocaust, than the exactly zero (0) real evidence for the holocaust.
i also knew that one of you guys would try to push the POW shit and fully ignore the logic of how we could've done this at all, as it always happens. getting a little late over there for the JIDF?
but logic doesn't really apply here, does it? pic related. 6m-2,5m=6m
Pick a number first OP. What is the number of victims we are arguing over?
6,000,000? Okay.
Lets start by arguing over whether that many victims were killed, or if according to critics, if the number of victims was instead DRASTICALLY less, and less enough to knock the Holocaust off of the list of being considered one of the "deadliest" genocides in history.
I personally agree many people died, but nowhere near in the millions, let alone in the hundred of thousands.
One questionable part of the narrative is that 5 million gentiles died alongside the 6 million jews.
Some sources point toward the idea that Simon Wiesenthal made up the 5 million to garner further sympathy for the jews, stating that it had to be a large number to catch people's attention and make gentiles care about the holocaust, but not so large that it eclipsed the suffering of the jewish people.
If essentially half of the alleged death toll of the holocaust is fabricated, it does cast some doubt on the rest of it, surely?
The Holodomor was in the Ukraine, and it was intentional, but it didn't kill 100 million people.
It likely killed 2-3 million Ukrainians. Still a huge number, but we don't need to get hyperbolic.
I see the kike "frog" who shows up in every thread about the holoxoax to defend it is late to work. Lazy ass (((frog)))
>Did the Holocaust Happen?
Were there a handful of crematoriums? Yep. Millions were interned in POW camps at various times. They were good-sized cities and typhus (what Anne Frank died of towards the end of the war in April of 1945) was rampant. It was a necessity.
Enough to cremate gorzilllions in 3 years? Nope. Not even close, a ridiculous proposition. In fact the handful there actually were were multiplied many times over by fake ones built post-war... and still not anywhere close to enough. This is all thoroughly documented. Plus it's basic math.
Were jews treated for disease and delousing? Yep.
Were jews "gassed" in some sort of overly complicated Rube Goldberg method of mass killing? Nope.
Did jews die? Yep. Especially towards the end of the war as there wasn't enough food and supplies to take care of the Germans themselves, much less jew POWs. Why do you think the allies found camps full of ALIVE albeit starving jews? And the dead jews found, dead due to starvation? GASSING DOESN'T MAGICALLY MAKE YOU SKINNY.
Did 6 jews million die? Nope. Again, basic math in regards to the jew population post-war. 300,000-900,000 died in camps do to a combination of disease and starvation. There was NO multi-million scale organized mass killing of jews.
Is history written by the victors? Yep.
Has the holohoax been used to maintain and expand jew control upon the world? Yep.
Is jew power linchpinned to this fabrication and this is why kikes conduct a continual propaganda spin campaign? Yep.
And they are fully prepared to do so for the next 1,000 years.
Do you know how did Anne Frank died? Pic related.
The US had their own interment camps for US Japanese.
Jews died. From best we can can tell around 300,000-900,000.
There was no large scale extermination. The gas chambers are obviously a lie.
The deaths were via starvation and typus (what Anne Frank herself died of in April 1945 at the end of the war).
Germans could not feed and provide material for themselves, much less their jew POWs. The same thing would have happened to the US japaneese POWs had the US mainland came under such massive duress.
When you are shown pictures of the dead jews the allies found at the end of the war, those are typus (mostly) and starvation victims. Gassing does not somehow magically make you emaciated and skinny.
Their emaciation clearly indicates they were kept alive for as long as possible.
They were treated extremely well (by POW standards) until the last months of the war, when Germany was cut off from material and fuel due to allied bombing and the two fronts closing in. When they couldn't even take care of their own citizens, of course the POWs were going to get the worst of it.
e.g like it was pointed out above, Anne Frank (a child) was still alive until April 1945, literally weeks before the end of the war, and she died of the TYPHUS outbreak that plagued Germany throughout the war. Even the jews admit this. And her father survived the camp... living until 1980, becoming wealthy telling her daughter's "story".
It's a shame Germans didn't take precautions to prevent the typhus outbreak that plagued Germany thoughout the war... e.g. disinfecting people with the primary typhus treatment at the time, the pesticide Zyklon B which kills the insect that causes typhus, and burning typhus diseased corpses and clothing etc. like the British did when they liberated her camp.
Oh wait...
What was life really like at the Auschwitz "extermination camp"?
Auschwitz "holocaust survivor" jews interviews, in their own words... watch this.
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Orchestras
Painting
Sports
Medical care
Ballet
Beer
Movie theaters
etc.
Was it a jew "extermination camp"? Or a POW camp where people died towards the end of the war due to starvation and disease?
>And they are fully prepared to do so for the next 1,000 years.
What is a foundation myth?
en.wikipedia.org
It fulfills three functions.
1) It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
2) It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
3) It determines what is held sacred in that society.
For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.
1) We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.
2) Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.
3) The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.
The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.
Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.
Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the center point of the WWII story.
Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.
**Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned**
This is by jew design.
Pic: jews initially claimed all 30+ POW camps were "extermination camps".
Then every single camp captured by the US showed zero evidence of gas chambers or any other form of systematic mass killing.
ONLY the Soviets claimed they found evidence of large scale gas chamber killing... after refusing outside investigators for years... and after (now admittedly) RECONSTRUCTING the camps.
What a coincidence!
If a man pointed at the sky and said it was green would he be locked up? It's an objectively false statement, but of course he wouldn't be locked up, it's not illegal to claim the sky is green even though it's obviously not. But you claim the holocaust didn't happen, hell you even suggest that 1 person less than the alleged 6 million died and you go to jail in some countries.
I wonder why that is.
Soviet reconstructions and other lies exposed, ON SITE, here:
>If a man pointed at the sky and said it was green would he be locked up?
Video investigating the history of the "homicidal gas chambers" lies of Majdanek:
TWO MILLION claimed deaths down to 78k... (((whoops)))... (((honest mistake))) goyim... the "holocaust" still happened just as we told you though... don't question it.
Jews claim 900,000 jews were gassed and cremated at Treblinka 2.
simple.wikipedia.org
Treblinka was open from July 23, 1942, to October 19, 1943.
That means 6,000 executions and cremations a day if magically running 24/7 without interruption.
12,000 a day if magically running 12 hours a day.
A body leaves behind 7 pounds of ash, the size of a shoe box.
900,000 x 7 pounds = 6,300,000 pounds or 3,150 tons
sturmfh.com
Roughly the size and weight of 40 Blue Whales
All buried in this tiny corner of the 33 acre camp.
Never to be found again.
Let's also recall some of the numerous times jews invoked 6 million, their magic Talmud number... pic related.
And here's a video of a guy simply reading old newspaper articles about the 6 million... PRE-WW2... that's all he's doing... it's been restricted in the US... it's probably completely unavailable if you live in Europe... what an odd thing to censor, a guy literally just reading old newspaper articles. Curious.
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if blocked
Why always 6,000,000? Pic related.
**The perpetually changing number of alleged dead at Auschwitz**
9,000,000 Cited by the French documentary, Night and Fog, which has been shown to millions of school students worldwide.
8,000,000 The French War Crime Research Office, Doc. 31, 1945.
7,000,000 Also cited by the French War Crime Research Office.
6,000,000 Cited in the book “Auschwitz Doctor” by Miklos Nyiszli. It has since been proven that this book is a fraud and the "doctor" was never even at Auschwitz, even though the book is often cited by historians.
5,000,000 to 5,500,000 Cited in 1945 at the trial of Auschwitz commander Rudolf Hoess, based on his “confession” which was written in English, a language he never spoke.
5,000,000 Cited on April 20, 1978 by the French daily, Le Monde. Also cited on January 23, 1995 by the German daily Die Welt. By September 1, 1989, Le Monde reduced the figure to 1,433,000.
4,500,000 In 1945 this figure was cited by another witness at the aforementioned Hoess trial.
4,000,000 Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial. This figure was also reported in The New York Times on April 18, 1945, although 50 years later on January 26, 1995 (see below), The New York Times and The Washington Post slashed the figure to 1,500,000 citing new findings by the Auschwitz Museum officials. In fact, the figure of 4,000,000 was later repudiated by the Auschwitz museum officials in 1990 (see below) but the figure of 1,500,000 victims was not formally announced by Polish President Lech Walesa until five years after the Auschwitz historians had first announced their discovery.
>**The perpetually changing number of alleged dead at Auschwitz**
3,500,000 Cited in the 1991 edition of the Dictionary of the French Language and by Claude Lanzmann in 1980 in his introduction to Filip Muller's book, “Three Years in an Auschwitz Gas Chamber.”
3,000,000 Cited in a forced confession by Rudolf Hoess, the Auschwitz commander who said this was the number of those who had died at Auschwitz prior to Dec. 1, 1943. Later cited in the June 7, 1993 issue of Heritage, the most widely read Jewish newspaper in California, even though three years previously the authorities at the Auschwitz museum had scaled down the figure to a minimum of 1,100,000 and a maximum of 1,500,000. (see below).
2,500,000 Cited by a famous "witness to the Holocaust," Rudolf Vrba, when he testified on July 16, 1981 for the Israeli government's war crimes trial of former SS official Adolf Eichmann.
2,000,000 Cited by no less than three famous Holocaust historians, including Leon Poliakov (1951) writing in “Harvest of Hate”; Georges Wellers, writing in 1973 in “The Yellow Star at the Time of Vichy”; and Lucy Dawidowicz, writing in 1975 in “The War Against the Jews.”
2,000,000 to 4,000,000 Cited by Israeli historian Yehuda Bauer in 1982 in his book, “A History of the Holocaust.” However, by 1989 Bauer revised his figures and determined that the actual number was lower: 1,600,000.
1,600,000 This is a 1989 revision by Israeli historian Yehuda Bauer of his earlier figure in 1982 of 2,000,000 to 4,000,000, Bauer cited this new figure on September 22, 1989 in The Jerusalem Post, at which time he wrote' 'The larger figures have been dismissed for years, except that it hasn't reached the public yet."
I feel like some of it happened. I also think it's really exaggerated.
Main evidence for, in my opinion, is all the medical research that was done. Not just stories, anecdotes, accusations, but real, solid data from experiments that show a total disregard for the humanity of the prisoners. I think a lot of people in camps starved because supply lines were cut, and that disease killed a lot of them, but the medical experiment results, along with paperwork about final solution blahblahblah show that there was some active killing going on.
That being said, the idea that all of the wartime propaganda about Germany is true is ridiculous. Allies were all over bullshitting about Germany. I suppose it's possible that the Nazis were actually so far out there that the truth is worse than anything we could make up, but, yeah, probably not. Lots of bullshit, individual liars, stories changing, etc. Propaganda about the enemy is not exactly the most reliable source.
>**The perpetually changing number of alleged dead at Auschwitz**
1,500,000 In 1995 this was the “official" number of Auschwitz deaths announced by Polish President Lech Walesa as determined by the historians at the Auschwitz museum. This number was inscribed on the monument at the Auschwitz camp at that time, thereby "replacing" the earlier 4,000,000 figure that had been formally repudiated (and withdrawn from the monument) five years earlier in 1990. At that time, on July 17, 1990 The Washington Times reprinted a brief article from The London Daily Telegraph citing the "new" figure of 1,500,000 that had been determined by the authorities at the Auschwitz museum. This new figure was reported two years later in a UPI report published in the New York Post on March 26, 1992. On January 26, 1995 both The Washington Post and The New York Times cited this 1,500,000 figure as the new "official" figure (citing the Auschwitz Museum authorities).
1,471,595 This is a 1983 figure cited by historian Georges Wellers who (as noted previously) had determined, writing in 1973, that some 2,000,000 had died. In his later calculation, Wellers decided that of the 1,471,595 who had died at Auschwitz, 1,352,980 were Jews.
1,433,000 This figure was cited on September 1, 1989 by the French daily, Le Monde, which earlier, on April 20, 1978, had cited the figure at 4,000,000.
1,250,000 In 1985, historian Raul Hilberg arrived at this figure in his book, “The Destruction of the European Jews.” According to Hilberg, of those dead, some 1,000,000 were Jews.
>**The perpetually changing number of alleged dead at Auschwitz**
1,100,000 to 1,500,000 Sources for this estimate are historians Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum (later of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum) in their 1984 book, “Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp”; also Dr. Franciszek Piper, the curator of the Auschwitz Museum, writing a chapter in that book. This estimate was later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The upper figure of 1,500,000 thus remains the "official" figure as now inscribed at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp.
1,000,000 Jean-Claude Pressac, writing in his 1989 book “Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers.” This is interesting since he wrote his book to repudiate so-called "Holocaust deniers" who were called that precisely because they had questioned the numbers of those who had died at Auschwitz.
900,000 Reported on August 3, 1990 11, by Aufbau, a Jewish newspaper in New York.
800,000 to 900,000 Reported by Gerald Reitlinger in his 1953 book, “The Final Solution.” This figure is notable, considering the fact that it reduces the Auschwitz death total from the 4,000,000 figure that was widely in vogue in 1953.
>**The perpetually changing number of alleged dead at Auschwitz**
775,000 to 800,000 Jean-Claude Pressac's revised figure, put forth in his 1993 book, “The Crematoria of Auschwitz: The Mass Murder's Machinery”, scaling down the figure from Pressac's 1989 claim of 1,000,000 dead. At this juncture, Pressac said that of the new number, 630,000 were Jews.
630,000 to 710,000 In 1994 Pressac scaled his figure down somewhat further; this is the figure cited in the German language translation of Pressac's 1993 book originally published in French. Again, this is substantially less than Pressac's 1989 figure of 1,000,000.
73,137 This figure was reported in The New York Times on March 3, 1991 and was based entirely on the wartime German concentration camp records that had been captured by the Soviets and just recently released. According to this figure, of those dead, 38,031 were Jews. These records state that the total of all persons who died in the ENTIRE German prison camp system from 1935 to 1945 were 403,713. To repeat: a total of 403,713 persons of all races and religions was officially recorded to have died (of all causes. typhus, old age, measles, etc.-and execution) in the entire prison camp system over a 10 year period. Of those 403,713 a total of 73,137 died at Auschwitz. Of those 73,137 who died at Auschwitz, 38,031 were Jews.
Give us links, goyim so we can shoah them!
Yes. But it was not 6 million.
Probably 1-2 million with a great deal being sickness at the end of the war.
But 1-2 million would put in very far down the line of human tragedies. It would no longer hold some mythical status.
My proof: the census numbers of Jews in Europe 1933-1948. You can not have 15 million in 1933 and then 15 million in 1948 but kill 6 million in the same time period.
These holocaust threads are important, and I’d love to see them on the first page of Jow Forums all day every day. A sort of virtual interactive monument to the greatest bullshit narrative in history.
>A sort of virtual interactive monument to the greatest bullshit narrative in history.
Did it happen? Mostly yes. But the details have been greatly distorted and furthermore there is clearly a conspiracy of powerful members of political and media groups to suppress the truth regarding the holocaust.
>Did it happen? Mostly yes.
>t.shlomo shekelstein
If anyone wants further reading on this subject then head over to Patriotic Dissent Books. I got The Leuchter Reports from there as well as several other books on holohoax revisionism.
>be a jew
>go to get gassed
>they're full
>eh, you can go now
I WANT TO MAKE ANNE FRANK PREGNANT AND FUCK HER WHILE SHE’S PREGNANT
>t.shlomo shekelstein
>posts a picture of a turk
huh?
Yes it did but the Jews did it.
No, the actual death toll is more like 20 million. The majority of deaths were Gentiles.
>be a jew
>your gas is water
>be a jew
>get gassed 3 times and survive the 4th after hitler runs out of jew killing gas
Woah
Two things:
1) jews were gassed, but so were Roma, gays, and Slavs. Remember, this was happening all over German occupied regions, and presumably in German allied regions (Italy, Hungary, Romania). There weee entire camps dedicated to killing people. Auschwitz is the most famous, but that was a work camp that also killed people when convenient. Remember, it wasn’t only the Jews that were killed.
2) the forming of Israel post-holocaust isn’t some secret know to few. It is commonly acknowledged that if the Holocaust was just labeled as “genocide” Israel would not have been founded. This is why the Holocaust is always portrayed as Judeo-centric
>jews were gassed
>t.jidf
>be a jew
>survive getting gassed 6 times
>be a jew
>still getting holohoaxed with a typus pesticide in 1991
It didn't, it should've, it will.
Kinda
>be a jew
>nazis run out of gas again
>you can go
>be a jew
>escape your 9 separate jew killing camps by walking backwards
OMGs! Based Pajeet BTFO the holohoax with one word!
Impressive!
>be a jew
>get thrown out of your host country 359 times
>be a jew
>avoid getting gassed because you're hungry