Christianity General /cg/ First Time In Church, Edition!

This is the story of the first time that I visited an Orthodox Church - With a few things that I learned or wished I’d known beforehand, that I’ll share because we all know that visiting church for the first time - or the first time in a long time, is quite intimidating and coming out of ~12 years of militant Atheism around the time of my first visit, I really didnt know what to expect!

First, its okay to feel like you’re entering a different, unfamiliar world, because… Well, you are! One thing that some people consider is contacting the Church beforehand (You will likely find an email address and/or phone number, etc on any Church’s website) so that you know that they’re expecting you - and perhaps there will even be greeters ready to give you an individual tour when you arrive. This can really make the process a lot more comfortable, however it is not a necessity, and there is no reason why one “has to” do this, nor anything against simply showing up for services one morning!

That’s what I did, my interest in Orthodoxy grew in /cg/ threads on this board, and I found out that there’s a church not too far from my home, so I arrived knowing very little of the Church itself nor actual Christianity, having only read part of the book of Matthew (first book of the New Testament in the Bible) at the time and having prayed for guidance, and repentance from my old life, and for things to go well during this visit, but I was still plenty nervous!

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Like most any Church, there were greeters opening the doors who welcomed me inside - and this is important - one can always expect there to be someone there to help guide you when you first arrive! I got there about 15-20 minutes before the start of the service (this is recommended if possible, but not a big deal if you don’t or can’t), so I even got to meet the priest and they showed me around a little. One side note, do not expect much time with the Priest during this timeframe, he will be running around doing many different things so the service can begin - so if you only get to meet him for long enough to make a quick introduction - or perhaps even not at all - don’t worry! You’re not being “pushed away” or whatever, its simply a matter of circumstance, and in my case he promised to catch up with me afterwards and answer any questions that I had.

I will say that folks were very nice. There was incense and no pews (benches) as this church performs a standing service - both of these things I found different, but not intimidating. Really the only thing to know is DON’T GO UP FOR COMMUNION or “The Eucharist” as they call it, this is reserved for formal members (folks who’ve been Baptized or Chrismated (aka “Confirmed” into the Church, aka completely and officially Converted), but other than that, theres really no pressure on you.

Folks will cross themselves a lot and venerate icons, but no one is counting on you to do this, nor will they hold it against you if you don’t, as you’re new, and for now only an inquirer, of course. If you want to join them, all the better, do as much as you’re comfortable with (besides taking communion at this point, as we just discussed), but remember, today is your first visit - and there’s no pressure!

Watching the service was an experience! It was beautiful, no song books (hymnals) like some churches use, almost everything is either chanted and/or memorized!

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Don’t expect much interaction with folks during the service - we’re here to Worship our King at this point, but fellowship afterwards (often referred to as the “coffee hour”) is a great place to hang out, eat, and talk after the service! One thing to know is that no one helps themselves to the food and drink until the Priest has blessed the food and drink after the service, but as with most things in life, if you simply stay with the crowd, you’ll know when its time for the meal! I think I stayed for probably two hours after the end of the service on my first visit, haha.

Now, what might one expect for fellowship? Well, let me explain what I wouldn’t expect. Many people (myself once included) look at church-goers as a crowd who are perfect and have lived perfect lives, and that’s just not very realistic. We all try our best now, but my church is almost exclusively converts (only a small percentage of “Cradle Orthodox” who grew up in the faith), coming from a wide variety of backgrounds and beliefs. I remember my Priest discussing the types of things he’s helped people through over the years in getting their lives straightened out and joining the church, and theres some dark stuff that people have been lifted out of. We’re not discussing “I was rude to a cashier once when I was having a bad day”, we’re talking about folks who’ve engaged in witchcraft, blasphemy, etc. These sort of things, and this is only what he was willing to mention in passing. Its important to know that everything can and will be forgiven if one is to genuinely seek salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ, and remember, that no one here is “better than you” or whatever, in fact many of us have likely done and been through the same, or worse things in our prior lives. We all had our first visit to Church too, and I will say that mine was a very apprehensive experience for me, but I’m glad that I did it.

Just remember this passage:

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“Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?” When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance”

-Matthew 9, 10-13

Everyone I talked to was extremely welcoming, and warm, and kind. They shared stories of their past, and answered any questions that I had, and discussed anything that I wanted. I never felt that I was being looked down upon or judged, they knew that I was here trying to get things sorted out in my life, and they couldn’t have been nicer to me because of, or in spite of, it. Again, most of them were once in the same, exact place.

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So, that was my first visit! One thing that I would consider if I were making my first visit again, is to try and arrange a meeting with the Priest at a later date. As we discussed earlier, he will be very busy before the service and often surrounded by the congregation and occupied with them after it, so I wouldn’t count on talking with him much on this day, but if you’re comfortable with the idea, you might leave your contact information with one of the greeters (many churches even have a card you can fill out with your phone number, email address, or whatever you want, and they’ll reach out to you) to try and arrange this meeting. There, you’ll have a dedicated time to ask anything you would like to, to learn about anything that you wish, to talk about any concerns you might have, or to discuss whatever situation or life experience(s) or problem(s) that you’re trying to move past. Remember, the Church exists to connect people to God and as a means to bring us all closer to Him, and in a way its literally this man’s job (that he does for God) to help you on your journey. So, with that being said, don’t feel that he won’t care about you because you’re not yet a member, or anything along those lines.

But if you’re not comfortable with this, that’s okay too, its still only your first visit, and theres no requirement that you open up or put yourself out there, or interact with anyone, any more than you want to. Simply coming to the service is a huge step, and the main thing is to simply take in as much as you can, and go from there!

I hope this will help you through your first visit! I later ended up officially joining this church (being “Chrismated), after repenting of my sins, being reborn in Christ, turning my life around and looking back now, I have no regrets, beyond waiting as long as I did.

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What doing in Atheistville then, Soldier?

Im willing to bet no one here can guess what the TRUE Church is on earth right now and until the end.
(hint: its not some niche little speck)
Good luck!

Use your sense, you will easily come up with the answer.

(hint: Is the gospel most needed to the congregation, chior, and believers? certainly not.)

Synagogue of Satan is the Only One true church...

The Synagogue Of Satan - Updated, Expanded, And Uncensored

Abrahamism is the religion of the jews. Yahweh is not the prime mover. Read Julian's "Against The Gallileans"

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>12 mins into this thread
>what is going on now itt

mfw

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Satan is the One True son of Himself

Thou shalt Worship the Creator... Satan!

be serious

Replying to obvious bait, Satan is a fallen angel, who never was/will be the Son of God.

Sin posting aside, if anyone actually wants to disuss the faith, I hope we could actually have a productive discussion ITT.

well... what he was originally was A son of God
yes though of course not THE

Jesus is the Messiah everyone knows that

Problem is actually be faithful to Christ, and walking the path he walked, for it IS the ONLY way to get to Heaven

>John 3:3

What do you do when you don't know any of the songs? Just stand there like a retard? I've heard Orthodox church is mostly singing.

you first get serious

no one can walk His path, He was perfect

and no other man can be
the way to Heaven is to constantly ATTEMPT to walk His path

>be me
>decide to read the bible once
>page one
>The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Gee, and you wonder how jews took over everything?

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Hello user, if I had to guess, I'd say probably 40-50% of the service at my local church is singing! But theres nothing to worry about - folks understand that you're new (and welcome you in). No one will expect you to know the music yet - just relax and try to pay attention and follow/take in everything that's going on. It should be an enjoyable experience, theres a lot to take in!

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click my ID to see that I have been, bud

You sound like a Church of Christ faggot. "One true church!" so fucking stupid. Because Baptists obviously worship John Smyth.

The Jews knew Jesus was coming because of the prophecies they had been given which Jesus fulfilled, but the people we think of today, as Jews, rejected Jesus Christ when he came, they hated him. Still do, in fact.

The actual believers accepted Christ as their savior and followed him.

Christianity =/= Judiasm

Nope.

You gotta be perfect to get to heaven.
If you are not perfect, you are not being faithful to Jesus.

>John 3:3

What did he say to the women who has commited adultery?

go and sin NO MORE. Not a little more, not a little less, but NO MORE.

For if there is sin in you, you cannot be with God, this is the hardest truth no one wants to accept, but if you think about it, its true. How can you, a sinful creature reside with a sinless creator? It just cant happen lest a man be born again.

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paul is a false apostle that contradicted Jesus, distorted Jesus's message, never met Jesus and was a serial killer and he shouldnt be in the bible

also anderson is a cuck because the old testament is heavily against racemixing and looks at mixed race children as mongrel abominations. hes a cuck mentally and physically, because he allows society to dictate how he interprets the bible, and he encourages blacks to rape his white daughters

this verse is talking about how mixed race abominations are not allowed to be with the jews and looks down on them, and theres more


deuteronomy 23:2
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

biblehub.com/interlinear/deuteronomy/23-2.htm
biblehub.com/hebrew/mamzer_4464.htm
bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H4464/mamzer.htm

Verses proving salvation to anyone that believes and not of works.
youtu.be/BXMA4xOS5BY

John
1:12
3:15-16/18/36
4:14(John 6:35)
5:24
6:28-29/35/38-40/44-45/47
7:38-39
8:24
10:27-29
11:25-27/40
12:46
14:1-3
16:27
20:31

Matthew
5:19
7:21-23(John 6:38-40)
8:10-13
9:2
12:37
21:31-32

Mark
1:15
2:5
10:24-25
16:16

Luke
3:3(Acts 19:4)
5:20
7:50
8:12
18:10-14/40-42
23:40-43

Acts
2:21
10:43
11:16-17
13:38-39/48
15:7-9
16:30-31
19:4(Luke 3:3)
26:18

Romans
1:16-17
3:20/22/24-28/30
4:2-14/16/24
5:1/15-18
6:23
8:24
9:30-33
10:3-4/9-10/13
11:6

1 Corinthians
1:14/17
3:14-15
15:1-2

2 Corinthians
4:13-14

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1 Thessalonians
4:14

2 Thessalonians
1:10
2:12

Ephesians
1:13-14
2:8-9
4:7

Galatians
2:16/21
3:6-11/14/21-22/24/26
5:3-6

Philippians
3:3/9

Titus
3:5

1 Timothy
1:16

2 Timothy
1:9
3:15

Hebrews
4:3
10:38-39
11:7

1 Peter
1:3-5/8-9
2:6
3:21(Colossians 2:12)

1 John
4:2-3/15
5:1/4-5/10-11/13

Revelation
2:11
3:5
21:7

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>protestants
>christian
heretical filth who desecrate everything thats holy is our greatest enemy and deserves priority in fight ever with atheists and muslims
death to proddies

>Church of Christ

well thats one incidental way to correctly label it

> so fucking stupid.

wow the light of Christ sure shines through you!

>You gotta be perfect to get to heaven.

yes, but not in this life

>go and sin NO MORE. Not a little more, not a little less, but NO MORE.

one does not become perfect once one finds Christ or is baptized.

>For if there is sin in you, you cannot be with God,

we are rendered perfect in body/mind at the final trump, just before we enter Heaven

>For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9

There is no salvation by attempting to walk the path He walked. There is only salvation through accepting His sacrifice.

Plan Of Salvation
Got my friend saved yesterday with these verses. Also was for first salvation.

You're a sinner and deserve Hell.
Romans 3:23
Romans 6:23
Revelation 20:14-15
Revelation 21:8

God loves you and Christ died for you.
Romans 5:8
2 Corinthians 5:21
Luke 24:6-7

Saved by faith alone.
John 3:16
Acts 16:30-31
Ephesians 2:8-9

Once saved, always saved.
Romans 6:23
John 3:36
John 5:24

Still should do works
Hebrews 12:6

Call upon the name of the Lord.
Romans 10:9-10

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You're right, prots aren't Christian. Only IFB are

woops
this portion of this reply is for you, from "you gotta be"
here:

But because of Baptists I can't buy booze on Sunday or after 9:00 or in grocery stores in my county. In Catholic counties you can buy booze whenever you want.

THOU SHALT WORSHIP ME THE FIRST AND
THE LAST. THE FATHER THE HOLY GHOST.

SATAN

You prolly think I haven't heard these fairytales before, right?
Yeshua was a jew and he worshiped the god of Abraham, i.e. Yahweh.
No amount of sugarcoating will chanage that.

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>There is no salvation by attempting to walk the path He walked.

i know that, which i why i never said that

>Yeshua was a jew and he worshiped the god of Abraham, i.e. Yahweh.

no, He WAS that God

you quote matthew 7:21-23, but did you even read it? Jesus is saying that NOT EVERYONE WILL ENTER HEAVEN. he is very blatantly telling you that he will reject people from heaven, "then will i profess i never knew you, depart from me"

salvation is only for people who repent from sin you delusional braindead cuck. quoting from paul is irrelevant cause paul is a false appostle that never met Jesus and he shoudlnt be in the bible. paul started his own religion that simply says the hurrr anyone can enter heaven because all u have to do is believe, yet Jesus NEVER SAID ANYTHING OF THE SORT

jesuswordsonly.com/recommendedreading/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html


Here is Jesus himself rebuking your non-biblical idea of "hurrr just beweeve and you'll get into heaven XD, you dont have to do anything but believe XDDD"

matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

or rather, IS

whatever are the semantics

THOU SHALT WORSHIP ME THE FIRST AND
THE LAST, THE FATHER THE HOLY GHOST,

SATAN

Former Christian here. It’s been hilarious watching Jesus crash and burn but seriously we can’t let this guy get his hands on the nuclear codes.

Christians sound fucking retarded when they try to explain how their religion somehow isn't polytheistic.

Alcohol is a sin

Unironically this> Jesus Christ is God incarnate. The people we know of as Jews, are the ones who rejected Christ when he came as their savior, they are full of evil and bitterness, they rejected his sacrifice and still try to undermine societies and families built by those who worship the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

I am currently in catechism for the Orthodox church. I was raised pentecostal.

I go to a Greek Orthodox church. I frequently get the feeling like I'm in some distant, far off land in a different time. Experiencing divine liturgy in an Orthodox church is like going to a different time and a different place, especially if outside the church doors is the white protestant Heartland of America.

Growing up pentecostal and evangelical, I felt like I was walking through a desert, thirsty, and being told there was water all around me. Going to an Orthodox church, it was like I had been immersed in a cool oasis and told to drink deep.

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Dude are you literally retarded?

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
>and in thy name done many wonderful works?
>works
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>Father's will is be a good boi
John 6
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

>in b4 James 2
youtu.be/dPqSelVJvoA

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THOU SHALT WORSHIP ME THE FIRST AND
THE LAST! THE FATHER THE HOLY GHOST!

SATAN

You were raised pantywaistal?

If you have to be perfect in order to enter Heaven then Heaven is more or less empty. Only Christ was perfect, Saints came pretty close following the teachings of God.

Christ is Risen!

This is wonderful, my brother! I'll pray that the rest of your journey is successful and most fruitful.

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Who told you that ?

Cause bible clearly says unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

Why do you think matthew said :
>"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" Matthew 7:13

Can't argue with those digits

Never been to an Orthodox church, we don't have many in England. I'm a Protestant.

Checked.

it's a fucking meme I know
I came to Orthodoxy after a long time away from the faith after having an experience where I could no longer deny God. I came to Orthodoxy after trying to return to evangelical churches and finding they couldn't satisfy the yearning I had.
i am ever grateful for have finding the path

>semantics

>one who worships God vs one who is God

uhhhh

Also that he says "I never knew you". He can't say that if they were saved but lost it

>Cause bible clearly says unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

yes......

we are born again of spirit in this life
and of mind(and brain) and body at the last trump)

Nice

Reminder - you must oppose slaughter.
youtube.com/watch?v=arV-u9_j6xM

No wars are "just" wars.

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Praying for peaceful Chicago Kanye happenings

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matthew 19:16-23
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

here is Jesus saying that if you want to go to heaven you must keep the commandments and you cant even be rich. what you are saying is "you jusss gotta beweeve XD" and you'll get into heaven.

>>and in thy name done many wonderful works?
you're interpreting from this that ANY works are bad and you can sin as much as you want and everything will be fine, yet Jesus regularly says you should repent from sin if you dont want to get cast into hell. heres a verse of Jesus literally telling you to chop off bodyparts if they make you sin. you're going to hell according to Jesus, believe in him all you want

matthew 5:28-29
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

What denomination are you?

United Church of Allah
Born Again Taoist
St.Ann's Anabaptist Church
St.John The Baptist Baptist Church
Chinese Un-Patriotic Protestant Association
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USSA
Greek Unethical Matriarchate of Istanbul
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Belarussia
Maccabi Syrian Buddhist Church
Church of Asian Albania
Evangelical Calvinist Church "Konkordski"
Martin Luther King Lutheran Church
Anglican Province of Christ the General Secretary

Divided Episcopal Church of South America
Heritage Deformed Congregations
Union of National Socialist Dependent Deformed Evangelical Temples of Ile de France
Fundandmental Presbylutheran Church in Brazil
Church of Allah in Shiva, Maronite
Fellowship of The Ring Quaran Churches (formerly The Artist Known As Prince)

Schwarzenegger Amish
Fellowship of Grace Jones Brethren Churches
United Zionist Church
New World Order Creek Brethren
Socialist Brethren
Methodist Church of St. Cyril and Methodius
Lower Life Movement
Church of Lucifer(Unholiness) USA
Christ's Condemmed Unholy Church
Enslaved Methodist Church
Association of Irregular Baptist Churches
National Association of Fate Baptists
Fundamentalist Islamic-Baptist Fellowship of America
C4 Church International
Apathetic Faith Mission of Sud Afrika
Church of Confusius of The Unoriginal Plateau Assembly
Indian Pantywaistal Church of St.Mark
Church of Mohammed For Some Nations
Harry Potter's House Muslim Fellowship
Ministries With Borders
Church on the Iraq- Internationale
Masonic Jewish Alliance of Mongolia
Liberal Friends
Christian Church(Disciples of Thor)
Sixth Day Pentecostals
Branch Darwinians
The Intercontinental Ballistic Missile of God
World Mission Secret Society Church of Perun
Dying Church of God
Ensembles of Jehovah
Lance Armstrongism

?

Nigger you really think he never broke a command? That's not possible.
youtu.be/p3lBL6QuA6c

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ebin

If anyone is interested in Christian Identity here are some links:

Adamic Man, Israel and The Ethnos by Arnold Murray
scribd.com/document/9361032/Appendix-III-Adamic-Man-Israelites-the-Ethnos

(((Kenites))) by Arnold Murray
scribd.com/document/9361039/Identity-II-Kenites

The Cain Satanic Seedline by Bertrand Comparet
scribd.com/document/21278115/Cain-Satanic-Seedline-Comparet

William P Gale - The Faith of our Fathers
freepdf.info/public/ebook/Gale_William_Potter_-_The_Faith_of_Our_Fathers.zip

Dr Wesley Swift-The Adamic Race Becomes Nations
youtube.com/watch?v=qxxM-UZhZT0

Dr. Wesley Swift sermon archive
archive.org/details/CPM_DSCI_Archives_Swift

Bertrand Comparet sermon archive
archive.org/details/CPM_DSCI_Archive_Comparet

William P Gale sermon archive
archive.org/details/CPM_DSCI_Archives_Gale

James Wickstrom sermon archive
archive.org/details/CPM_DSCI_Archives_Wickstrom

kingidentity.com

scripturesforamerica.org

covenantpeoplesministry.com

christogenea.org

shepherdschapel.com

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>29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
If you want to interpret that literally then that means you won't have eyes when you get to Heaven. That's retarded

>matthew 19:16-23
>16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
>17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
>18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
>19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
>20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
>21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
>22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
>23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Orthodox perspective - we generally believe that this man's sin wasn't excessive wealth, but rather idolatry. He worshipped his money, his assets, likely his work and his fortune. For this he found himself in trouble, for as we all know, one cannot serve both God and Mammon. (See Matt. 6-24)

He did not own his earthly things, they owned him.

>Harry Potter's House Muslim Fellowship

reported ;)

reading comprehension a problem?

The point of the passage is to highlight how a person cannot - by their own deeds - reach the Kingdom of God. That's why Grace is needed, since we're all sinners and unworthy of salvation.

>The people we know of as Jews
They are the jews. inb4 khazars
>they [...] try to undermine societies and families built by those who worship the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
Excuse me, the sect of Judaism, Christianity, and their fanatic followers had undermined everything that was built by our forefathers before and plunged Europe into dark ages.
Hence the reason for the Renaissance (literally meaning Rebirth).

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>They are the jews. inb4 khazars
They aren't khazars or the tribe of Judah, they are the serpent seed.

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So not

British-Israeli World Wrestling Federation
The Covenant, The Sword, and the UZI 9mm of the Lord
Church of Jesus Christ-Pagan(Aryan Brotherhood)

Clooneyites
Disbelievers Church In Indiana
Church of Jesus Christ of Earlier Day Saints
The False and Dying Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the End of Days

United Nations General Assembly of Unitary States and Semi-autonomous Christian Churches

Deutsche Unitarier Aller Lander
Jewish Centennial Fellowship
Atheist Science Church
Lord's Old Church Which Is Nova Cheviya
Least Holy Church of Zeus in Christ Hercules
Church of The Blessed Dope
Home of Lies
Universal Foundation for Terrible Living
Anthropomorphic Society of Rudolf Hess
Universal Black Brotherhood of Petya Deunov
Pilgrims of Aries
Metropolitan Life Community Church
Ecumenical Institute for Sturdy Diaphragms
The Process Church of The Terminator's Judgement

United House of Allah for Some People
Orthodox Autoclavic Church of Armenia

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>Excuse me, the sect of Judaism, Christianity, and their fanatic followers had undermined everything that was built by our forefathers before and plunged Europe into dark ages.

Catholicism was SOLELY responsible for that.

Ok, who are the true jews iyo?

Jesus disagrees, Jesus said you need to follow the mosaic commandments

honestly i hate posting in such threads because everyone is extremly emotional when you break their delusional beliefs about how "fwee salvation for eveweewan, jus beweeve XDDD paul said so! XD" isnt actually what came out of Jesus's mouth

i never hear anyone quotting bart ehrman or robert eisenman, or any theological Christian scholar, all i hear are these redicilous pastors who think racemixing is okay, and salvation is free for everyone, and that theres no problems or contradictions in the bible, and that they dont need to repent from sin

never any mention of other apocryphal books, never any mention of gnostic theologies, just anderson dickriding or pope dickriding usually. never any historical mentions of the earliest Christians like the ebionites or the essenes, nothing

i cant take these threads seriously, thats why i honestly prefer just reading about it in books myself as opposed to talking with emotional easily offended brain dead neurotypicals, which is what this thread attracts, like lightbulbs and flies

Are you trying to imply that Europe was greatest in its Pre-Christian days? Or from them until the very near past?

Beyond worshipping trees and having orgies in the woods, can you explain some of pargan europe's great feats?

All of this leaves aside the fact that God is the Holy Trinity, regardless of whatever Europe was doing 2000 years ago.

now?
that would be Jews of spirit, the new Israel:
Christians.

I believe the true Israelites are Europeans.
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>isnt actually what came out of Jesus's mouth
Yes it is you dumb nigger
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

only if you reject thy self, and follow christ.

cant do that if your drinking, smoking, cursing, blaspheming, jerking off, worshiping false idols ect...

>all i hear are these redicilous pastors who think racemixing is okay


which it is
with the new covenant, but as Jews of the flesh were only allowed to mix with other Jews of the flesh,
Jews of spirit, Christians, are only allowed to mix with fellow Jews of the spirit: fellow Christians.

that is the nature of the new covenant:
all of the old covenants transferred from jews of flesh to those of spirit

>Jesus disagrees
Christ does want us to obey Him, but our salvation is by repentance and acceptance of Grace. Nothing we do will save us, or CAN save us but God's Mercy, which we ALWAYS do not deserve.

Luke 23:43.

Oh, and if you want to talk about the early Christians, you better be against any and all Christian military service.
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>Are you trying to imply that Europe was greatest in its Pre-Christian days
It was.

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Do you know what Athens was? Or the Roman Empire? Has all pre-christian European history been erased from your mind like the Albanians because of Islam?

You're correct, but if someone believes and doesn't make an effort to be a better person they will still go to hell.

>James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

WRONG
Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

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