And Britain is not part of this cooperation. It will be an exclusively European endeavor.
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European plane-maker Airbus and France's Dassault have reached agreement in principle to build a Franco-German multi-role fighter, which is being billed as a future European air combat system.
"We are ready," declared Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier at a press conference at the Berlin Air Show. "And we're saying to our defence ministries and our political leaders: 'We're ready, over to you,'."
Airbus Defence and Space boss Dirk Hoke hailed a "historic moment for the industry".
"This is a great step forward in developing skills in Europe and assuring European sovereignty," he said, using a phrase employed by French President Emmanuel Macron during his address to the European parliament last week.
Oh no, so we can't do that thing again where different parts of the fighter are made in different countries, ending up with a product which is substandard, vastly expensive, late and doesn't do what it's supposed to, what a shame.
Charles Long
>And Britain is not part of this cooperation Good they cockblocked us when we wanted to put vectoring nozzles on the Typhoon.
>where different parts of the fighter are made in different countries, ending up with a product which is substandard, vastly expensive, late and doesn't do what it's supposed to, what a shame.
Guess how the F-35 program is spread across states in the US...
It's a dumb idea, the French should put the money into seduction honeypot agents and the Germans should build fusion-powered Vril fighter-transports.
Charles Brown
That's their problem, defence spending in most countries seems to be a kind of fraud on the taxpayer.
Xavier King
arent drones the future?
fighter jets are so 1980
David Bailey
lmfao
Logan Harris
>a German-French jointventure Just pile the money up and burn it. That's a much better use of it.
Why can't we just develop our own technology? We have nothing but bad experiences with the French when it comes to industry policy and defense policy: SAR Lupe, KMW-Nexter deal, Airbus, just anything.
Grayson Edwards
>Le Gen 6 low oberservable, oooo maybe tailless Vs >American transatmospheric fighters running British SABRE engines
Isaiah Fisher
>assuring European sovereignty >imports millions of inbred retarded muslims Holy shit germans truly are autistic retards
Wyatt Hughes
Not to forget the attack helicopter that's unable to turn it's turret and burns itself when firing rockets... Still the French know what they are doing when it comes to fighter jets and as long as it's just two companies it should be fine.
Matthew Gomez
Yet our Rafales are excellent jet fighters.
Robert Brooks
Don't you dare talk down about the legendary Eurofoghter Typhoon!
Ian Adams
>Scarebus May as well have Pashtun woodworkers cobble the thing together.
Chase Lewis
Hahahaha. Every time a "European" military tries to develop a jet it's always inferior to anything the US has. Where will Britain get their next jet? Oh I don't know, maybe they will develop jets with their Commonwealth countries plus the US. Sleep well Germany, you are trusting the pussies who surrendered twice to you and make Renault for your defense.
Adrian Baker
Yeah but the US is a single country, not a gaggle of European pussies who dream of a United States of Europe but know it will never happen.
Yeah, you stuck with the Eurofighter program until most of the shared research was done for and then you pulled your dick out to spend the rest of the money on your own industry. France just can't be trusted in that matter. If we make some common military research with PESCO then let's develop one thing at a time, everybody pays in and we share the R&D results. This looks like another A400.
>Britain will develop jets with their Commonwealth countries plus the US Wtf am I reading?
Joseph Johnson
They do that for a specific reason: so the majority of states support the program because if it's cancelled then everyone lose jobs.
It's good brits are not in the deal as they always sabotage the whole thing for US interests. However if Dassault is a top tier plane maker, Airbus is just shit as the Eurofighter proved it, hope that Dassault engineers have at least the decisive power when it comes to the overall plane philosophy to produce a plane as good as Mirage 2000 and the Rafale.
>Yeah, you stuck with the Eurofighter program until most of the shared research was done for and then you pulled your dick out to spend the rest of the money on your own industry. France just can't be trusted in that matter.
This sounds like some bullshit, France wanted an omnirole fighter because we have oversea territories and "interests" (basically african client states), other member of the program wanted a pure air superiority machine. That's why we pulled out and it was for the better because your plane is garbage and keep breaking while ours is battle proven and kicking asses everytime it is deployed.
>Dassault is a top tier plane maker, Airbus is just shit as the Eurofighter proved it true. would prefer a dozen of sweet rafales to our shitty eurofighters everyday
Don't worry Hans you will get the broomstick launcher option available in your country. Also maybe you should invest on swiss technology: youtube.com/watch?v=pNaZCDhvh88
>Yet our Rafales are excellent jet fighters.
yeah rafales are the fastest jet to fly on its back.
Colton Russell
Why do Germany even make fighter planes they never use them?
Isaac Hughes
We need something to rot in the hangars, else we have to rent them for refugees.
Jackson Perez
inb4 they use it to bomb Serbia
Gavin Watson
MUTT JET
Levi Watson
>Why does Britain even have nukes they never use them? better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it
I really like the design of the Rafale it seems to be a good airframe which is capable of carrying METEOR missiles. I don't understand why one would buy a very overpriced F-35 when you can get Rafales.
Joseph Lopez
Yeah I mean Australia, new Zealand, I mean Canada after Cuckdeau is kicked out. Plus the United States. You little faggot plane won't do shit. It'll be lucky if it flies.
Eli Mitchell
Because the Brits know that a modest investment in the F35 program grants them immediate access to top tier stealth air superiority. The alternative is another European clusterfuck resulting in Eurofighter 2: electric boogaloo. Even the German Air Force chief wanted the F35, but no the politicians wanted muh European army.
Parker Sanchez
>I don't understand why one would buy a very overpriced F-35 when you can get Rafales. It's the American way of selling you the Brooklyn Bridge.
Jayden Fisher
New Zealand is going with the EU mate they want a FTA and sent their prime minister to get one.
Jordan Kelly
Why? Europeans have no reason to make their militaries more expensive. They don't have to protect any hegemony against China (and we know they sure as shit won't help us), and Russia as a threat is a giant meme. What use does fucking France have for a 6th gen jet?
airbus and dassault are french only France is building this plane dont try to leech
Cameron Hughes
Haha yeah i noticed that. Indeed the F-35 program is more like an investment like getting a membership in a club which is an advantage in itself, We decided to buy your Patriot SAM system effectively making us apart of that club which grants us the ability to upgrade and contribute to future upgrades of the system as we became a patreon of that program. I guess it is a combination of politics and investment thinking which brings countries to buy such systems.
Samuel Watson
>muh stealth meme
pathetic.
Carson Foster
It will be ready in 15-20 years, the project costs will be insanely high and so will be the unit cost.
And by the time it is done the JEWest will not have the capacity to bully negro nations anymore because the Russians and Chinese will cover the still-independent-world with air defense systems that JEWestern airforces simply cannot match.
Landon Powell
>Sent their prime Minister to get one You mean the one that is on maternity leave?
Logan Barnes
acktually , France currently has 2 projects :
The Rafale F4 (near 2025) and that new project between countries.
the aim is to have the best jet for ourselves and to help european allies to defend themselves.
fear not , the Rafale F4 will probably be better than that new Eurofighter.
Christian Gray
it's a joint project, no need to get cocky over it.
True now obviously iam sure the F-35 will get rid of its childstage diaseases in the long run and soon there will be 6th generation fighters which makes an investment in a 4.5 gen fighter seem unreasonable kind of simular to buying a standard phone in 2010 right before smartphones took off.
Easton Brown
the new Rafale F4 will be able too without any problems , the current Rafale can already do it with an F22 during the ATLC :
Will it include the RRP (Refugee Rescue Pod) featuring the latest bio-detection system capable of detecting African and Arab DNA from 200 km ???
RRP is the BOMB! The true defender of European Values.
Levi Reyes
yeah, for the civil market.
Samuel Bailey
The rafale derived from the mirage 4000 program you dumb fuck, why do you really want to push the narrative where France steals british technology when we developped multirole fighters before you both on our own ?
Austin Parker
until you can get a drone that can 100% beat a fighter pilot in combat maneuvers from close to long range, be able to id and follow an enemy plane, i doubt we will be seeing them anytime soon. a pilot is still cheaper and better than a guy on a computer controlling the plane. eventually we will get there tho
Leo Brooks
The concept sketches have already been released. This is the quad-wing, ball cockpit, single engine version of the new 6th generation German fighter.
You simply need à better radar and sensors to engage stealth meme planes, and the rafale's radar was greatly improved over the years and will be further improved with the F4 version.
Justin Sanchez
she is not on maternity leave iirc she is just pregnant
Ian Green
How is it supposed to fly ?
Josiah Lewis
I have nothing against using a French plane as long as it's the best design.
Ethan Cook
It uses Vril suspensor lift technology to maintain elevation and vertical stabilizer fins. The thrust from the jet engines can be devoted purely to forward acceleration.
Kayden Jones
And how could I forget the story about Alstom >be energy branch of French industry company Alstom >be unprofitable >look for someone to buy you >Siemens, GE show up >Siemens makes the better offer >French government doesn't like the free market and conducts a law (Lex Alstom) to prevent acquisition >GE still gets to buy you
The French are alrady completely negrefied with respect to any sense of loyalty and honesty. They whine about the cruel, cruel world that's so mean to them and ask Germany and Europe to help them hold the line in the world market but the next second they stab you in the back.
Leo King
It's alright they don't have combat air anyway
Camden Powell
I have the feeling this is going to involve large amounts of money and a lot of delays to end up wih an unsatisfactory product
Dominic Lewis
France: - has a fuckton of sea surface (with potential natural ressource to exploit there) - has territories everywhere around the globe - has nukes needing to be carried - is the main country policing Africa
All of that requires custom home-made hardware for variety of reasons. Another point is that there is a niche market of countries not wanting to align too strongly with Russia/USA/China since weapon sales are as much political moves than business ones, in this case buying french material is considered a good neutral option like India did recently.
I bet it will be very, very soon. It's incredibly easy to teach a computer to fly a plane. In fact all our commercial planes already do that.
Caleb Martinez
French tech from the 4000 went into the Eurofighter project and tech from the project into the Rafale it's kinda silly to accuse each other of stealing. Rafale and Typhoon are quite similar the latter is more heavy duty.
Jaxon Flores
Is this real? Are these the defense ministers of the same faggots who have to post anonymously on an American website so they wont be arrested for offending jews muslims and niggers?
They are powered by the energy from the death star.
Evan Myers
On par with an f-16 which was introduced over a decade earlier.
Anthony Davis
>Siemens makes the better offer >French government doesn't like the free market and conducts a law (Lex Alstom) to prevent acquisition >GE still gets to buy you
Ironically it was Macron who was behind this sale to GE, it's an american corporate raiding that was extremely well organized, it generated a mini-scandal here that was quickly shut down by MSM though as it depicted Macron negatively.
Jose Edwards
Audibly keked
Elijah Collins
So we could sell them when the oil niggers will try to replace the Mutt 35.
>Can't even build a 5th gen plan skips right to 6th gen, top kek 5th gen fighter platforms were all about "stealth" which is really a meme concept. 6th gen is about integrating AI, laser weapons and active shield tech against lasers. I am not even kidding, look it up.
Cameron Perez
Well there's the A400
Jacob Robinson
on par with an F-22 and surely with an F-35 burger-kun.
Ryan King
This is and always has been Frances way. Join multinational group. Leach IP and ideas. Bail out and build their own shit.
Adam Watson
we're with the new world so we're not fussed america gave us nukes, you think they wont give us a plane?
we're the only country who's WD works with lockheed martin
Levi Miller
you already need at the minimum a ship's nuclear reactor to power an electromagnetic cannon , so a laser weapon ... that's a meme technology for the moment. and yes , i know about the laser beam interceptor on the US ships but it requires tons of power to work and is still insufficient to destroy even a drone (it can for small drones however after a prolonged period of time and by draining half of the ship energy). and shields are just sci-fi as of now. it's true for AI's though.
Nathan Rogers
Good. Fuck those silly chavs from Airstrip 1.
Lucas Thompson
If stealth is a meme, then why are Russia and China both spending considerable money on stealth aircraft?
Adam Lopez
The EU is a Hapsburg Jewish joint project. Breaking Germany is part of the project. They are not talking about the sovreignity of the people, but of the ruling class.
Jayden Foster
Its bad enough they all speak english and obsessively live by comparison only to us. Let the orphan children have their pretend time Nigel
Aiden Ramirez
The only French jet currently in service is on par with u.s. jets introduced in the late 70s.
Sorry, France is great and often overlooked for it's engineering feats ( first automobile etc ), but you don't have the resources to compete globally in the military arena. Your next fighter will be an even sillier attempt the the avro arrow.
Thomas Ward
> Those two could do it and make a good plane. Cheap too if they use already existing parts from some of their production lines.
Landon Wilson
Do they need Combat air? they just need to sink ships and nuke anyone else.
except you're very wrong , those projects are fed with French Technology , even the eurofighter looks like a mirage and has nearly the same design as one. so if there's any leachees , it's the others country not France. even the recent project of collaboration for the modernisation of the Leclerc tank is France letting it's allies look at our technology lol.
We want our money back for the NH90 and Tiger. Both are crap and we will be replacing the Tiger with Apache after 20 years of never being able to deploy it. The A400M is another massive waste of money. Airbus are useless at producing military aircraft.
Connor Hernandez
they gave you nukes while we made our own :DDD
Nathaniel Anderson
A new jet plane, To bomb more non-white countries, To cause more immigrant crises, To get more non-whites into Europe, And also to sell to our Saudi overlords,
Hurray!
How many times have our current fighter jets been used to defend, you know, Europe? Zero? Our militaries exist to carry out Saudi orders, and to pick up migrants in the Med and bring them here. Remember that the next time you feel patriotic pride in your military.
Blake Rogers
because they like to copy US designs like always , it doesn't mean your stealth works lol.
Liam Morgan
Leclerc - the tank nobody buys. Only a few sold to the UAE. Crap technology.
