ITT: Lefties who weren't all bad/wrong

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>unironically supporting leftists

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Jim Webb seemed okay for his one debate. If the democrats were the type of party that would nominate him I would have to think long about whether to vote for him or Trump.

how does this one suit you?

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jimmy dore, right now.

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fuck off and die

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Chomsky's entire career has been based on tricking the goyim into thinking the US is the Great Satan while covering up the fact that we're enslaved to Israel and their lust for more land and money. He sucks.

I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve listened to him BTFO Israel, just because you don’t bother to look doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist retard

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He is even worse than a jew. He is--may Allah forgive me for uttering this word--a Chomskyite.

kekt

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True.

kys faggot

LOL no

>hurr durr i like apartheid
fuck off and die

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fuck off and die

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At least he was redpilled on niggers and homos

btw thats a cute girl :-)

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> LOL I like the country becoming objectively worse in every way
fuck off and die, maybe go to South Africa some time and see how nice it is.

meh, che was a mixed bag imo

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>objectively worse
pretty sure the majority of SA would disagree -- if you believe in democracy then having a country where the majority are second-class citizens is pretty illogical

true!

>And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

anarcho libertarians btfo

>pretty sure the majority of SA would disagree
You fucking idiot. The majority are blacks and they are much worse off today

Genocide leftists

but they're free. and they still idolize mandela for helping them take their freedom from their captors

>but they're free
Free from what exactly? They had a choice to be free in there own homelands under apartheid but chose to work shitty jobs and live in townships. They are so free that one in three black women get raped. They are free to starve to death. Get it? They don't have any fucking freedom as they rely on whites to survive. The same whites who they sing songs about to kill. Also, they mostly talk respectfully about Mandela but they all say the same thing, that he didn't do enough ie. expropriate everything from whites. They are digging their own graves here

maybe the fact he didn’t expropriate everything from the colonialists is admirable?

in any case, live free or die. freedom from oppressive masters, freedom for self determination. plain and simple.

Lefties who weren’t badong?

>german
>likes hitler
>likes oppenheimer
you're just lucky you guys surrendered before we could nuke you bitches

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i would argue that eisenhower, though not a conventional "leftie" is a hero of the left, and did a lot of "left" type stuff during his presidency

plus he was a fucking beast

i wish the left and right could have a figure we could unite under like him again

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Eisenhower wasn't even remotely left-wing.

he started so many social programs though, remember the interstate highway system? remember project vanguard (the real start of federal involvement in space exploration?)

not to mention desegregation, e.g. little rock crisis

the dude was a total hero for the lefties and righties alike. eisenhower ftw.

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fpbp

Look into what he said about the military industrial complex in his farewell address and chance for peace speech. Dude also had no problem with New Deal type of shit either and saw a 90% top marginal tax rate.

but all that was 100% correct

we live with a terrible military industrial complex, and progressives like bernie want to fix that

90% top marginal tax rate is too high, but what we currently have is too low

new deal shit, the safety net? it's way too weak in 2018

eisenhower was redpilled as fuck apparently

Keir Hardie. Labour would be our guys if they still acted on his principles.

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*sniff*

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fuck off kiwi douche

an interesting quote by the person that OP posted.

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fine, there were antisemite libtards, we admit that. we admit that even lincoln said some racist shit.

but the fact is that libs trailblaze the future; conservatives are stuck in the past. the trailblazers can trailblaze one field while being effing retards in another, until someone else trailblazes the other field

so enough with your /poltardation; fuck off and die

He wasn't a liberal. I doubt you know the definition of the word liberal.

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who do you mean by "he"? lincoln?

I was referring to Proudhon. The person I posted.

yeah, honestly i don't know the guy very well and don't care for the guy. especially since apparently an antisemite.

anyhow my point still stands that even if there were some "backward" liberals, there were "backward" ancestors in virtually every family tree of any ideology

Proudhon was a libertarian socialist who incorporated markets into his ideology. Obviously I don't agree with his ideas but from a technical standpoint he was the farthest thing from being a liberal. Also, I don't see race realism or the JQ as backwards.

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i think science has demonstrated that there is more variation within single "ethnic groups" (granted these are not very-well defined scientifically any how) than between distinct ethnic groups fairly well. so race realism is totally false

"the JQ" is backward. if you believe that 0.2% of the world can outsmart the rest, then you must have very little hope in humanity, or you must believe that jewish people are like uber-geniuses. i know quite a few jews and they're ordinary spoiled white guys. they're privileged but there's no conspiracy.

>okay, floodgates opened, now all the k-word shillers can have their fun. go ahead.
just please know i will ignore it all

>hasta la vista
>S I O N I S T A
Join ur local Nazbol Death Squads
Alexander Dugin pic

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Sorel was great too.
>i think science has demonstrated that there is more variation within single "ethnic groups" (granted these are not very-well defined scientifically any how) than between distinct ethnic groups fairly well. so race realism is totally false
There's also studies related to IQ, atheletic abilities, skull shape and various other evidence to show that the races are in fact different.
I think it's easy to see that while an Italian and an Englishman may look different, they're still both worlds away from sub-Saharan africans.
>"the JQ" is backward. if you believe that 0.2% of the world can outsmart the rest, then you must have very little hope in humanity, or you must believe that jewish people are like uber-geniuses. i know quite a few jews and they're ordinary spoiled white guys. they're privileged but there's no conspiracy.
Than why does that 0.2% of the world have so much financial and cultural influence?
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I agree.

heres papa

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Just no.

What if he eventually stopped being a leftist?

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Anyone that doesn't want to take it in the ass from the richer classes they mewl and excuse every betrayal to their own blood, every debt heaped upon the system that allows and eases the rise and continuation of their own success, and every lack of care to those they are the acting aristocracy toward, is left in some degree.
Anyone that isn't an ideologue fool should recognize where to pick out the reasonable parts of leftism, and leave the actual communists, traitors for gibs, and un-contributing leeches and connivers to rot.

>colonists
BOERS
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Put two and two together. Bantu interlopers are claiming that Whites in SA somehow owe THEM shit. If their argument is that colonizers must pay reparations, then Bantus must must pay reparations to the Koi San. If their argument is "we colonized fair and square", then they can't say shit when Whites claim the same.

you can draw a circle around any given region, and then draw a circle in some separate, distant, region, and take some average over each circle, and make a genetic conclusion that they are different in certain respects. fine

but you will find that within each geographical circle you've drawn, you can find many instances of large variation _within_ that population/circle.

let's call the two circles circle A and circle B. if you restrict yourself to only circle A, and you look at random pairs of people within circle A, you will find many instances where the differences between two individuals of circle A are much greater than the "average" difference between the average of circle A and the average of circle B.

IQ, athletic abilities, skull shape, etc all vary within any one ethnic group to a much greater degree than they vary between the "averages" of different ethnic groups

so in a nutshell there are great genetic specimens and poor genetic specimens in every ethnic group.

jews have a lot of money and influence because their culture is very much geared toward what gets you ahead in the modern world. their religion is all about "study your books!" "study the torah!" "study the talmud!" and those books are confusing, self contradictory tomes. and those qualities share much in common with e.g. financial regulations, tax law, financial law, mergers and accounting law. so they are predisposed culturally to get good at finance, law, tax regulations. therefore they're good at moneys.

at least that's my humble opinion

This is Lewontin’s fallacy. A single gene may exhibit greater variation, but when taken as clusters our genes largely line up with intuitive racial categories.

>more variation within than between
Lewontin's fallacy. It's not just total variation in question, but clustering as well. Cluster analyses set between 5 and 7 clusters match self-identified-race over 90%, which is an ASTOUNDING match rate in scientific research in general and related to a 'social construct' in specific
>JQ
IQ is one trait of many. Cohorts that operate as groups beat cohorts that do not.
>Inference
You're either a troll, or someone who has a difficult time comprehending confounders.
>Example
You: "You gravitists claim that two objects of different masses, if dropped at the same time, from the same height, with the ground below each object being perfectly level with the other, and with no obstructions on the way down, the objects will hit the ground at the same time. But I dropped a paper sheet and it came down slower!"
Jow Forums: You forgot to control for confounders such as wind resistance.

There is intraracial variance, sure. But any two members of group A will be closer to each other, on average, than either is to a member of group B, most of the time.

This is a simple clustering problem, although of high dimensionality.

Read Volume 1 of Capital. He makes some good arguments against waging and his concept of labor producing value is not wrong, its just a simple observation. Overall he was good with the economic stuff but his conclusion is garbage.

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Cart before horse in each scenario you set up.
>Variance
The same could be said for dog breeds- that there is more genetic variance within breeds than between breeds, or subspecies. It still does not negate aggregates differences between breeds that are significant in some respects.
>JQ
>a: cognitive ability
It may be not that they rank about 3/4 s.d. higher than Whites in IQ and higher in general g-loaded tests because of culture, but they may have selected for the types of people that can reach such goals, in turn producing offspring, continuing the process for generations.
>b. nepotism
This is a trait that, like others, may be a result of millenia-worth of a feedback loop between environmental and genetic factors. Lets say, for purposes of argument, that it is 100% environmental. Why did you not include that aspect of Jewish culture in your analysis of their success?

Sorelianism is the only form of Leftism that I can take seriously, Sorel was red-pilled about the JQ was anti-big business and understood that violence is inevitable and even rejuvenating in establishing political order. Reflections of Violence is a must-read.

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>any two members of group A will be closer to each other, on average, than either is to a member of group B, most of the time.
fine, but that comes with the caveat of "on average"
"on average" is the weakness in this argument. still you're not comparing apples to apples

the fact is if you take a gaussian distribution (bell curve) to model two ethnic groups, the standard deviation of each ethnic group's distribution is much greater than the difference between the difference of the means of the two ethnic groups.

therefore there is a lot of overlap between any two "ethnic groups" (and keep in mind, that term is poorly defined scientifically, so it's a real stretch to even make your claim) so "race realism" is total mumbo-jumbo

in any case i'm very glad this discussion has flown under the radars of the plebtards

LTV is garbage and if Marx didn't have a personality cult due to all off the retarded commies and "academics" buying into his bullshit nobody would have ever considered him a serious philosopher/economist.

I've read it. I liked it. It's also what lead me from the transition from Marxism to fascism. His ideas on the national myth being used as a propaganda tool are also extremely valuable. I also agree with his anti-democratic ideas, although it's ironic that he had those ideas considering he called himself an anarcho-syndicalist.

>any two members of group A will be closer to each other, on average, than either is to a member of group B, most of the time.
fine, but that comes with the caveat of "on average"
"on average" is the weakness in this argument. still you're not comparing apples to apples

the fact is if you take a gaussian distribution (bell curve) to model two ethnic groups, the standard deviation of each ethnic group's distribution is much greater than the difference between the means of the two ethnic groups.

therefore there is a lot of overlap between any two "ethnic groups" (and keep in mind, that term is poorly defined scientifically, so it's a real stretch to even make your claim) so "race realism" is total mumbo-jumbo

in any case i'm very glad this discussion has flown under the radars of the plebtards

Without labor though there is no value to be had, commodities are only ever produced where labor is found and thus profit and value are only found where there is labor. This is not a hard concept to understand and he isn't wrong regarding this.

His later critique than of wealth being generated off of commodities and then a majority of said wealth being put into the pockets of those who did not take part in the labor (the bourgeoisie) explains how there is an inherent flaw and near paradox in how Private Ownership over the Means of Production functions under Capitalism. How a person can produce no value yet extract wealth, and more wealth at that than the person actually producing the commodity, is a rather illogical scenario.

>"on average" is the weakness in this argument. still you're not comparing apples to apples
This is a fallacy. Averages and generalisations are the only things you can model in social sciences, there are no laws.

In regards to your argument about each distribution having closer means than the overall distribution in regards to IQ means nothing, the point is that the categorisation which has been distinguished genetically is different, results in a generalised understanding of race and thus substantiates difference. No one is clamoring for a society where everyone has the same mean of intelligence, people want their people to be distinguished and IQ is a means of pointing out this genetic distinction. We are not comparing to apples t apples, that is the point, we want to compare things that are different.

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stop being a retard. the fact that labor was performed doesn't determine anything about value. shitting on a pile of wood doesn't make the wood suddenly more valuable even though you pressed really hard.

You're right but try turning the wood into something useful without labor. Wow, crazy, almost like labor is required in the creation of commodities and therefore value. Bizarre.

Proudhon was more Jow Forums than Jow Forums could ever dream of being. Hated (((them))), women, nogs, and degeneracy.

Happy May Day, motherfuckers.