Red pill me on Karl Marx and Communism

Ah, i see you are man of culture as well

communists aren't people

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this.

I wish even a couple of people here would even read Capital

>Karl Marx and Communism

How dense are you? Also no it does not prove anything about Karl Marx.

He was a philosopher. None of his works/ ideas can be proven. Just like any other philosopher.

The political product of his ideas, communism, on the other hand, has turned out to be absolutely disastrous to any society where it was implemented.

Same goes for National-socialism/ fascism.

The only well-proven political idea is free market economy with personal and economic freedom.

>inb4 muh Scandinavia

We are a free market just like the US. We just have higher taxes. But nothing like socialism let alone communism.

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t should be noted that I've upvoted every single person who's disagreed with me here, as far as I know.

That said.

In 7th grade, I took an SAT test without preparing for it at all, it was spur-of-the-moment, I knew about it about an hour ahead of time and didn't do any research or anything. I scored higher on it than the average person using it to apply for college in my area.

An IQ test has shown me to be in the 99.9th percentile for IQ. This is the highest result the test I was given reaches; anything further and they'd consider it to be within the margin of error for that test.

My mother's boyfriend of 8 years is an aerospace engineer who graduated Virginia Tech. At the age of 15, I understand physics better than him, and I owe very little of it to him, as he would rarely give me a decent explanation of anything, just tell me that my ideas were wrong and become aggravated with me for not quite understanding thermodynamics. He's not particularly successful as an engineer, but I've met lots of other engineers who aren't as good as me at physics, so I'm guessing that's not just a result of him being bad at it.

I'm also pretty good at engineering. I don't have a degree, and other than physics I don't have a better understanding of any aspect of engineering than any actual engineer, but I have lots of ingenuity for inventing new things. For example, I independently invented regenerative brakes before finding out what they were, and I was only seven or eight years old when I started inventing wireless electricity solutions (my first idea being to use a powerful infrared laser to transmit energy; admittedly not the best plan).

I have independently thought of basically every branch of philosophy I've come across. Every question of existentialism which I've seen discussed in SMBC or xkcd or Reddit or anywhere else, the thoughts haven't been new to me. Philosophy has pretty much gotten trivial for me;

Communism is simply an economic theory. All the shit you see Marxists spout today was added to communism by the Bolsheviks or the Frankfurt school years after Marx died.

>brit
>wish more people read das kapital

Communismo is not an economic theory. Is a social theory.

I've considered taking a philosophy course just to see how easy it is.

Psychology, I actually understand better than people with degrees. Unlike engineering, there's no aspect of psychology which I don't have a very good understanding of. I can debunk many of even Sigmund Freud's theories.

I'm a good enough writer that I'm writing a book and so far everybody who's read any of it has said it was really good and plausible to expect to have published. And that's not just, like, me and family members, that counts strangers on the Internet. I've heard zero negative appraisal of it so far; people have critiqued it, but not insulted it.

I don't know if that will suffice as evidence that I'm intelligent. I'm done with it, though, because I'd rather defend my maturity, since it's what you've spent the most time attacking. The following are some examples of my morals and ethical code.

I believe firmly that everybody deserves a future. If we were to capture Hitler at the end of WWII, I would be against executing him. In fact, if we had any way of rehabilitating him and knowing that he wasn't just faking it, I'd even support the concept of letting him go free. This is essentially because I think that whoever you are in the present is a separate entity from who you were in the past and who you are in the future, and while your present self should take responsibility for your past self's actions, it shouldn't be punished for them simply for the sake of punishment, especially if the present self regrets the actions of the past self and feels genuine guilt about them.

>Red pill me on Karl Marx and Communism

Hold on, this might be rough:

>The reason why communism never seem to work is because they are missing one key ingredient.
>The human element. Sharing the means of production, but what about the means of reproduction?
>Real communism can only be achieved if you're willing to share your wife with other men.

>Neither Mao nor Stalin shared their wives, and look where that got them.
>Communism needs the sharing of humans in order to be successful.
>Real communism is essentially cuckoldry.
>If you're not willing to share your wife with other men, then communism will never ever work.

>If you're not willing to share your wife with other men.
>How can you be trusted enough to share your means of production?
>If you won't share your wife with other men, then you're not a communist.

I don't believe in judgement of people based on their personal choices as long as those personal choices aren't harming others. I don't have any issue with any type of sexuality whatsoever (short of physically acting out necrophilia, pedophilia, or other acts which have a harmful affect on others - but I don't care what a person's fantasies consist of, as long as they recognize the difference between reality and fiction and can separate them). I don't have any issue with anybody over what type of music they listen to, or clothes they wear, etc. I know that's not really an impressive moral, but it's unfortunately rare; a great many people, especially those my age, are judgmental about these things.

I love everyone, even people I hate. I wish my worst enemies good fortune and happiness. Rick Perry is a vile, piece of shit human being, deserving of zero respect, but I wish for him to change for the better and live the best life possible. I wish this for everyone.

I'm pretty much a pacifist. I've taken a broken nose without fighting back or seeking retribution, because the guy stopped punching after that. The only time I'll fight back is if 1) the person attacking me shows no signs of stopping and 2) if I don't attack, I'll come out worse than the other person will if I do. In other words, if fighting someone is going to end up being more harmful to them than just letting them go will be to me, I don't fight back. I've therefore never had a reason to fight back against anyone in anything serious, because my ability to take pain has so far made it so that I'm never in a situation where I'll be worse off after a fight. If I'm not going to get any hospitalizing injuries, I really don't care.

The only exception is if someone is going after my life. Even then, I'll do the minimum amount of harm to them that I possibly can in protecting myself. If someone points a gun at me and I can get out of it without harming them, I'd prefer to do that over killing them.

I consider myself a feminist. I don't believe in enforced or uniform gender roles; they may happen naturally, but they should never be coerced into happening unnaturally. As in, the societal pressure for gender roles should really go, even if it'll turn out that the majority of relationships continue operating the same way of their own accord. I treat women with the same outlook I treat men, and never participate in the old Reddit "women are crazy" circlejerk, because there are multiple women out there and each have different personalities just like there are multiple men out there and each with different personalities. I don't think you do much of anything except scare off the awesome women out there by going on and on about the ones who aren't awesome.

That doesn't mean I look for places to victimize women, I just don't believe it's fair to make generalizations such as the one about women acting like everything's OK when it's really not (and that's a particularly harsh example, because all humans do that).

I'm kind of tired of citing these examples and I'm guessing you're getting tired of reading them, if you've even made it this far. In closing, the people who know me in real life all respect me, as do a great many people in the Reddit brony community, where I spend most of my time and where I'm pretty known for being helpful around the community. A lot of people in my segment of the community are depressed or going through hard times, and I spend a lot of time giving advice and support to people there. Yesterday someone quoted a case of me doing this in a post asking everyone what their favorite motivational/inspirational quote was, and that comment was second to the top, so I guess other people agreed (though, granted, it was a pretty low-traffic post, only about a dozen competing comments).

All that, and I think your behavior in this thread was totally assholish. So what do you think, now that you at least slightly know me?

if you are lunatic and want to kill millions of people under false cause to force other to live in tatalitarian shithole then it is good lol

TLDR: Marx was pretty good at pointing out what's wrong with a system, but offered few alternatives and solutions. Later leftist thinkers like Stalin managed to put it into a working form, but it didn't become very popular.

Build a searl effect generator user. Do it for the good of mankind.

*Vomits furiously* Yeah you enjoy your sons being turned to fags and getting demographically replaced.

it's a pretty good idea if you're planning to starve

>Seems like a pretty good idea to me.

Communism is a scheme to get the underclasses in society to accept slavery to a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the hopes that the dictatorship will set them free. It's a scheme because the poor and oppressed generally get that way because they don't know shit about anything and don't understand the addictive nature of power and evil of those seeking to gain it

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you are correct

after russian revolution communists tried to share the means of reproduction..but it contradicts equality. if women is not a property and if it is a property and property rights are abolished then you cant share women lol

and women of different quality give different quality of offsprings (part of human capital). such it allows certain families or individuals to accumulate human capital (beauty or strength or better health etc)

so communism is impossible because it cant equlize quality of offsprings (part of human capital) .

>llocation of capital produces more productivity than labor.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Without labor there is 0 production no matter how you allocate capital. The labor theory of value isn't a communist idea, it's classical economic theory.

It's dated and convoluted and pointless, as even the socialist girls aren't worth it these days. Get redpilled on usury instead.

>convoluted
By this I mean, a good deal has changed since he wrote that book. And all institutions of Western Marxism are pozzed. You can make a difference in the world but not under a Marxist banner.

Good god man. No one has time to read all this shiet

Complete automatic factory? Hello???

I wasn't implying that labor is non existent. Successfully allocating capital creates more productivity than just labor. What are you not getting?

and who pays the mechanic when the robots break down?

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>I don't fight back.
coward.

Still that would be almost 5% of the final value of a finished product. So much for "value comes from labour" ¬¬

>red pill on Gommies
Gobunism Thread

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liguidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis

>Sdage for
Not real gommunism. Move on do nexd coundry XDDdDDD

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Every time.

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>Allocation of capital produces more productivity than labor
>somehow labor isn't the source of productivity
>thinking McDonalds can run without labor but by investors sitting in their offices
That makes zero sense. Marx's problem was his lack of describing how goummnism would actually work after all that bitching he did about capitalism.

The labor is done by the machines which in turn are created and maintained by people who will probably invent newer and better machines in the future to replace them.

>Yo Seems like uh fine ass pimp-tight idea ta me!

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This ain't the 1800's no more. These machines are not updated by common workers, but from engineer and technicians who has no relation with the actual line of production. Their contribution, in a mass scale production won't be of much value. Just look at chineses made products. They are cheap af because slaves made them, you don't have to pay them. And the research and development is barely a 30% of the final cost. Now put machines instead of slaves, you get the same result.

>We are a free market just like the US
>US
>free market
imagine being so naive

>once again an user puts words in my mouth
Never said labor isn't a necessity. Im telling you the allocation of that capital created works as a better incentive than plain labor. Labor is not the source of the value of capital.

They are not commanded economies, thou

>Literally was not communism though. Regardless, big gov't= big catastrophe