Everything is GMO

>mites kill bees not chemicals
Why not both? We fucked their immune systems with chemicals
>mites
Some of the artificial honeycombs we create for the honeybees are (iirc) slightly larger than what occurs naturally, so I forget why but it lets the mites thrive and destroy the bees.
>either way it’s our fault for sticking our dicks in the bees’ business

Honeybees are GMO creatures as well. Natural bees in the wild are black and dwell in holes in the ground or old trees.

The modern beehives are like chicken shets that at some point let the fox in and then everything is fucked.

But they don't belong in most enviorments anyway. In North America there were no bees at all untill the white man brought them.

There were no gold-black bees in germany untill 1937.

GMO =/= plant eugenics

OP kill yourself.
GMO modies our DNA just like a Virus does.
They both alter or damage perm the DNA of our lineage.

Bananas selectively bred to yield edible seeds or wheat being selectively bred to reduce height but maintain the same yield is not the same as GMO.
It's also not damaging.

GMO consists of splicing other organisms DNA including vermin, insects, bacteria, amphibians, reptiles, among other things including patented non-native DNA.

yeah i will grow some extra pair of ears on my chest cause of this darn GMO foods.

We have realy great shots at space travel with dumb fucks like you.

Why don't you be a fucking dirtfarmer somewhere where there is no internet.

There’s a difference between eating corn that’s been crossbred for a century and eating corn that’s been modified using CRISPR in a laboratory so you can soak it in pesticides. A big difference that you’re intentionally trying to conflate and obfuscate. Did you even bother to read the sticky post?

>there is difference maaaan, big difference you know

bitch please there is not. And i don't eat corn since i'm not a fatass lardass burger mutt.

honeybees aren't genetically modified organism you fucktard.
They are selectively bred.
GMO literally means it's not natural DNA and manipulated in a lab.
If you created a creature that is a GMO they are no longer a "bee" they are a HoneyBee(trademark)
You're retarded.
There's a reason why Canada/EU/UK/China doesn't buy our corn.

>Everything we domesticated from Grains to Chickens is GMO

There's a difference between selective breeding and outright genetic fuckery.

Nothing wrong with either

Wheat....
not gmo but sprayed with a huge dose of roundup to kill it days before it's harvested. So unhealthy beyond.

Have fun eating pesticides, glyphosate.

selective breeding is genetic modification you dumbass.

>There's a reason why Canada/EU/UK/China doesn't buy our corn.
Yeah to feed it to pigs.

>there is difference maaaan, big difference you know
And yet no one of you can tell me what it is.

you couldn't define what a pesticide is if your life would depend on it.

Fucking with a billion years of evolution for a few extra shekels for Schlomo.

GMO apologists need to be shot.

>selective breeding is genetic modification you dumbass.

Selectively breed some spider venom genes into some plants.

I'll wait.

Kills or interferes with pests?

What you're referring to is a specific GMO corn that excretes a harmless protein that is in digestible to insects resulting in their eventual starvation/death. This protein is completely harmless to humans. You wouldn't avoid eating chocolate based on its lethality to dogs would you?

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>Grains and chickens are GMO
Faggots like you do this all the time, because they're uneducated, purposely trying to be edgy or just shilling. Hybridization is NOT GMO. Cross-breeding is NOT GMO.

>not one study
no, of course not.
let's see what science alert says:
sciencealert.com/after-two-decades-and-6-000-studies-scientists-find-gmos-in-corn-are-actually-good-for-you
WUUH?? DEH GEEMU GUD. GEEMO HELTEE.

but what's this?:
globalresearch.ca/ten-scientific-studies-proving-gmos-can-be-harmful-to-human-health/5377054

Who am I to trust here? I'll just go on and trust these guys NOT backed by a multi-billion dollar industry that has vested interests in the results.

>the shit your Organic Production gets away with you wouldn't believe
What exactly does he get away with? Using horse shit to grow? Oh my god. Disgusting.

>Chemical fertilizers for example are way cleaner and safer then what is used in organic farming
and they systematically ruin the soil. but, hey no problem, we'll just make some gmo shit plant that'll grow in that shit soil.

>sojaboy
GTFO shill goober

GMO is a fucking ploy to patent foods and control food production. Why use organic and spend money on research on sustainable development when we can drop laboratory produced turds in the ground? Because muh control over urban plebs.

I'm lucky enough to live in the part of the world where I can eat organic for free, because my relatives grow their shit old school. Every tomato tastes like it was planted by Jesus himself and the ground fertilized by virgin Mary's untainted vaginal juices.
And the shit I get from EU, you know what that tastes like? It tastes like styrofoam. Water drenched styrofoam. Even the 'organic' foods.

So take your little edgy shilling shit script provided by your bros at Monsanto or wherever the fuck, slice it and make a salad from it, because - hey, it tastes just as good as their greens.

GMO makes agriculture cheaper while your Whole Foods costs a fortune.

so you wanna give me this "its natural" argument ? You know whats also natural?
Uranium.

You know what i use to kill bugs? Cooking Oil. A bit of oil in water and spray the plants with it. The Bugs will suffocate. Thats a pesticide, yet totaly "natural".

>GMO makes agriculture cheaper while your Whole Foods costs a fortune.

Remember goys. Giant corporations want to control food at the genetic level so YOU pay less.

>so you wanna give me this "its natural" argument ? You know whats also natural?
Uranium.

Just don't lie about it is all. Inserting genes from different species in a laboratory is not the same as selective breeding.

The reason chocolate is bad for dogs is because of the caffeine it contains. Which in large doses can be harmful to humans too.

"Organic" pesticides are a cocktail of organically derived poisons. These leach into the soil/ground water and have harmful effects on surrounding terrestrial and aquatic animals.

The possibility for less harmful synthetic pesticides to dissipate after a certain time or become harmless is hard to ignore.

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>Every tomato tastes like it was planted by Jesus himself and the ground fertilized by virgin Mary's untainted vaginal juices.

Can confirm.

I've tasted proper tomato. It tastes like a FRUIT!

Maybee they will geneticaly engineer a plant that cures your Asshurt one day.

why on earth would you think they plant spider genes in corn strains.

>control food
they already do and someone always did as long you don't hunt for yourself or butcher your own chickens. You are already a domesticated consumer.

S 4 G E

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No chocolate contains theobromine; dogs cannot process it as easily as we can allowing it to build up and become toxic to dogs.

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Good for killing mildew or powder mold on leaves, too.

Ya your right but caffeine is bad for dogs aswell. Its also another chemical that can be bad for humans also.

(beglaubigt)
Was für eine Gülle du laberst Brudi. Unfassbar.

listen you little sojajunge shite,
you don't plant
you don't sow
you don't reap
you don't breed
you don't butcher

but yet you know everything better.

And i'am not your brother.

>why on earth would you think they plant spider genes in corn strains

that's not the point he was making. his point was comparing selective breeding with gmo is disingenuous. making the rest of your statements shady at best.

Falsch in allen Punkten du kleiner Bahnhofsstricher. Geh deinem Teamleiter bei Bayer sagen, dass du leider viel zu behindert bist, um irgendjemanden von deinem Dreck zu überzeugen.

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>why on earth would you think they plant spider genes in corn strains.

I heard they were looking to have plants secrete spider venom as an insect repellent. I can't find any evidence of this, so it may not be true.

In any case, I disagree with inserting genes from on species to another. I especially get upset when people try to say this is the same as as selective breeding.

>they already do and someone always did as long you don't hunt for yourself or butcher your own chickens. You are already a domesticated consumer.

Seeds used to belong to no-one. You could selectively breed a cool new species of wheat that resisted pests, but farmers would be able to take the seeds from the crops and replant them next season.

Now with GM crops, the plants belong to Schlomo for all eternity. If the plants give seed, that seed belongs to Schlomo, rather than no-one, which was the way it was before.

The exchange of genes in traditional cross breeding number in the thousands; with GMO we usually are talking about altering or inserting one gene.

I understand the limitless capacity for misuse GMO opens up but if we are going to cap our interests according to the potential for evil then we should abandon scientific pursuits indefinitely.

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yes but as the guy you quoted said, its the theobromine that causes the toxicity. No one's saying caffeine isnt also bad in large amounts but the primary form of toxicity in chocolate for dogs is theobromine. Its good to know your facts about drugs n chemicals and sheeeit

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Produce worker here: organic produce goes bad much faster.

GMO foods last and last and last on the shelf, weeks and weeks. Like that Wal-Mart ice cream that doesn't melt in the sun.

There are already plants who produce their own pesticides, the ones we call "poisonous" or that have their protein structured in a way we can't digest or that even makes humans infertile, like s-0-y . Its not necessary to use spider genes. Just makes no sense. Is one of these frankenfood propaganda stories.

>Seeds used to belong to no-one.
Wrong. Around here you have a trust for seeds. The different strains belong to the patent holder and you are just allowed to use them and pay a license fine. And thats not with your idea of "GMO", that was this was way even 50 years ago.
And in days of yore it wasn't much different. Your land belonged to the lord, everything you plantet there too. This idea that it was always egalitarian is not true.
I mean i think it should be this way that there is no patent on animal breeds and seed, but it never wars. Thats a hippie propaganda lie.

you are still not my brother you piece of shit. I cut you up and use you as organic fertilizer.

I did all of those things except breed and butcher. I know people who do that too, and it's a subject I overlooked, but the same rules apply.

The home grown, legit organic (not EU certified shit) animal meat is incomparable in taste and texture.

I don't know about this. Farm animal manure isn't poison. Compost isn't poison. So I don't know what 'organic' pesticides you're referring to here.

Fact of the matter is, sustainable growing is cheaper and more productive. The only reason is no one can profit from it or control it. That's why it isn't pushed.

I've also been informing myself on mycologist Paul Stamets's work (who incidentally may be solving the red mites problem concerning bee colonies using mushroom derived pesticides), stating that fungi comprise most of the soil and that the right fungi can revive soil, make it more fertile.
But that's dirt cheap so why peddle that?

>The home grown, legit organic (not EU certified shit) animal meat is incomparable in taste and texture.

Thats just your imagination they tested this so often and people don't taste the difference.

The only real difference is the water content.

You’re a fucking Monsanto disinfo shill and you are a guaranteed lardass with diabetes and an inflamed liver if you eat that garbage. Enjoy your tumors faggot.

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Fertilizers are not Pesticides.

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Just fuck off and die you kike piece of shit. You're not going to convince anyone here with your disingenuous (((GMO))) propaganda. It's profit at the expense of the environment and human life.

>at family lunch
>eat meat
>holy shit this tastes good, is it homegrown?
>yes it is user

>at family lunch
>eat meat
>shit meat
>say nothing
>no one say anything
>schwabo gets raped by turk

monsanto niggers like you are actively making independent agriculture more difficult through bureaucracy

i dont give a shit about whatever CIA nigger mind control nanobots you put in food, at the end of the day it tastes like shit. tell your boss to try and improve the flavor of your test tube vegetables and shit. it's fucking foul to anyone who grows their own.

There are plenty of studies showing how terrible it is for you. And even more on the side effects of pesticides. Tis will only get worse as superweeds and bugs increase resistance.
Monsatanists need to KYSs.

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>It's profit at the expense of the environment and human life.
besides that you sound like third-world movement commie faggot, what do you think Agraculture is? Its totaly destructive to the enviorment. Thats the price for civilization. If anything the more modern and industrialized agraculture gets the less damage it will do. In the future meat will be printed and plants will grow the way the grow mushrooms today in greenhouses on sterile soil.

>muh bullshit studies

how much is Whole Foods paying you?

The organic industry is owned by the same companies that own the GMO companies.

>its harmless goy
>dont worry
>trust us

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youtube.com/watch?v=c_IoNQHMFLk

hippie niggers btfo

Was there ever a problem that required food to be genetically modified?

Monsanto shills say Africans and Asians starving is proof of a failure in natural crops, but that always seemed like another one of their lies.

>muh 15 posts
Keep the goons killing people who try to speak out against monsanto.

oh i wish Monsanto would just kill Hippies and fiendishly turn them into fertilizer, but they don't, because they don't need to, because the GMO Oppossition is bullshit anyway. Its a big organic nothingburger.

(((Penn and Teller)))
Consumer reports did a study on factory vs. organic free eggs, the small farm eggs have 5-10 times as many nutrients as the factory eggs.
Which should just be obvious by cracking the egg and looking at the colour, but idiocracy has ended common sense.

Having the Goy spending 4 times the money on food that then they don't have for other things is even better then them having a retarded child they have to care for.

>a study on factory vs. organic free eggs, the small farm eggs have 5-10 times as many nutrients

Google searched this and first studies say there is no difference between factory and free range.

Yeah, it's just virtue signalling so that they can get retards to forget about them. Then they move in to take over the farms and feed people poison.
Anyone who knows anything about industrial farming realises that over 35% of food is wasted and most of the third-world problems are due to this waste and kicking people off their farms.
Capitalshits say if you own a farm but have no coin then you are poor, but lose your farm for a dollar a day shit job and you are wealthy. Beyond 1984 wordtricks.

Du kannst ja nichtmal Deutsch und spuckst so große Töne.
Schwache Vorstellung.

>Then they move in to take over the farms and feed people poison.

So what is it? Monsanto bad for feeding niggers,
or Monsanto bad for feeding niggers poison?

verpiss dich aus meinem Thread du wertlose Krautkanacke.und geh zurück an deinen Fließentisch. Ich mach Schweinefutter aus dir.

Not a commie. I just understand that multi-national corporations do not have the best interests of man at heart.
Monsanto only cares about profit, the rest of us will have to pick up the pieces once they're gone.

You are talking about chickens fed poor diets and raised in abhorrent conditions compared to small scale caring animal husbandry. Yes the will produce to different results. This however has nothing to do with GMO discussion.

I believe we can both agree that large scale inhuman factory farming is doing no one good.

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Sure you did.
cbc.ca/news/health/organic-eggs-nutrition-1.3485640
But again, it's obvious by just comparing how the egg cracks and the colour of the yolk. Factory eggs have weak and thin shells with pale yolks due to the anemic and abused chickens. And anyone can compare tomatoes from the store and their own garden. Why do garden tomatoes taste better and more flavourful? Because of the nutrients.
KYS, monsatan shill.

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What do you think GMO does, retard? You just believe that they're trying to save the world?
If you are opposed to industrial farming that must also entail GMOs. Think before posting bullshit.
The whole point of GMOs is to increase the rate of growth and grow food in horrendous conditions.

>how the egg cracks and the colour of the yolk

and farmed salmon has different color then farmed salmon and its still fucking salmon.
The fuck do you know about nutrients. You never raised a tomato in your whole life and you waste your time and mine with your emotional hear-say stories. It is simply not true.
Just look how small organic tomatos are compared to the farmed ones.

What about the social problems that come with proprietary organisms? Like Monsanto's actions against farmers area result of mixing up plant germination with intellectual property.

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Thats the age old social problem you always had between farmers about water or "your bull fucked my cow, who does the calf belong to". Nothing new here. The Farmer should sue for property damage but instead of doing it he used the monsanto breed.

The jew never quits, even when he has clearly lost.

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Calling some one a retard is not going to make you right. The aim of GMOs is not smply to increase yields but reduce the harmful effects of large scale farming. Organic pesticide and fertilizer use is destructive and if the damage can be mitigated through synthetic chemicals and GMO crops than that avenue should be pursued.

Large scale Organic farming is owned largely by the very same industrial farmers you despise. Discontinued use of GMOs will not improve anything.

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>food is food
>everything is the same
>it's all relative
>you're a liar
>a tomato is a tomato
>bigger tomato better
Shilling this hard.
I have grown tomatoes for many years, but even if I hadn't anyone can go to the local farmers market and compare the tomatoes with the shit in a supermarket.
Same with salmon. Farmed shit tastes bad and is extremely unhealthy, the fish require more chemicals and antibiotics over time.
Go drink Roundup if you think food is food.

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Lying with your 'public relations' bullshit doesn't make you right either.
Calling you a retard makes me right because you are a retard.
KYS, retard.

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fucking retard

I think all the anti-GMO urbanide faggots should get deported to the countryside Pol Pot style to work the fields with their shit ideas.

Also, I realise this is bait, but the info needs to be out there for the people who might be tricked by this larping.

bitch you don't have any info

>There's a difference between selective breeding and outright genetic fuckery.

They're literally the same thing on a molecular level, just changing the coding of certain proteins

If we didn't do it, some beam of sunlight would do it for us, it would just take a lot longer.

worked on a farm dowsing weeds in chemicals where the crop was being exported to Saudi Arabia, coated that shit good and proper.

>If we didn't do it, some beam of sunlight would do it for us
Yeah, kids, the sun would totally change the genes to resist roundup, and then drench fields with it until glyphosate is contaminating almost the entire food supply.Don't worry, it won't harm bees, or breed pesticide resistant insects, it's not bad for you at all; not according to all academics and studies funded by monsanto, the WHO only says it's 'probably a carcinogen'.

picking one example of questionable GMO practices is not reason to dismiss all GMO practices.

>picking one example of questionable GMO practices is not reason to dismiss all GMO practices.
I'm not against Genetically modifying in labs. Releasing them into the wild without decent safety testing is evil genius level of irresponsible/reckless. And I'm talking about what is actually happening, not about utopian hypothetical bullshit. Go drink roundup, I'm offta work.

>Releasing them into the wild without decent safety testing is evil genius level of irresponsible/reckless

Bitch, the romans brought Rabbits to Britain. We have racoons running around in germany that escaped from Fur Farms.
The fuck are you thinking how this works.

Youre just full of shit. You don't know shit about nature. You think its a fucking coloring book or something with your "muh nature is in perfect balance" nonsense. Look at the examples you pick. "it won't harm bees". You don't know shit.

Well the difference is they have been gmo'ed over hundreds sometimes thousands of years to selective breeding and not gene splicing

I’ve worked on family farms in California and in Germany both organic and traditional and you have no idea what you’re talking about, read a few books on the subject first since
1/10 because i replied. Sage.

oh sure you did cause family farming is still a thing in california when the famer doesn't have a second income to subsidize it. Don't lie to me Miguel.

>swedecuck opens book in the middle

you could explain it a million times these people still wouldn't get it.

When did Bayer start paying for bee posting?

>selective breeding != GMO

Equating the two is like saying free market and state planning are the same.

Organic family farming is alive, thriving and well in many parts of California and is profitable if you are intelligent and hard working. I worked on a 300 acre organic pasture raised farm and we sold direct to consumer and paid a living wage to twelve full time employees and profited each year. Germany also has Some of the oldest, most stringent organic (Demeter) and biodynamic Farms in the world. We can produce more food per square acre than your shit monoculture farm with 0% waste and byproducts ruining our environments. KYS faggot. Can’t believe I’m even trying to talk to you hans. Watch out for the sharia police - I’ve spent time in Frankfurt your country is a lost cause.

>selling organic food to hipsters taking more land for less product

Demeter is a weird cult. And thats fine because thats all that organic hype is in the end. A cult.

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Pathetic

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>fuck off monsanto

We know that the babies with Microcephalitis got it from your fucking Pesticide and NOT from the Zika virus...

KIKES!

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Are you not reading the words I’m typing? There are thousands of studies and real life examples that prove organic/permaculture/biodiverse/Demeter farms can produce more food per square acre than monoculture (and this is before we factor in loss of environmental integrity / farmland due to the externalities your shit gmo farming produces). Shut the fuck up and go back to begging Merkel for more rapefugeees. Gunna need a ton of food for all those new Germans....

How fucking stupid are you? There are dozens of different bee species in Europe alone. The honeybee also builds their hives in nature if she can.
But shows what you know if you sprout your payed opinion without even consulting wikipedia before shitposting. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westliche_Honigbiene#Geschichte