Every triggered snowflake is about to be legally hopped up on MDMA

we've been using amphetamines on and off for fucking decades

You telling me MDMA is effective treatment for depression disorders is news from like 70 years ago

This
Also dude weed lmao

>posts anecdotal 2C-B experience
>calls other people retarded

Tolerance and fucking up your brain, literally
Seen enough emma heads in my life, doesn't help against anxiety or depression, over a longer time frame and too much, it becomes the opposite of better

There are better solutions than mdma or other amphetamine based dopamine boosters, but those aren't neurotoxic

It's a better option.
Worst case is you end up with sexual harassment instead of family annihilators.

>MDMA
nigger tier. Try LSD

MDMA was tested to treat depression and PTSD way back but because drug war and moral panic it got scheduled and banned.
As far as I know it was quite promising

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MDMA started off a treatment for depression, then made it's way to recreational use like most drugs, he's saying we've gone full circle after spending all that time on a drug war

egg salad

wow, when pol is actually on point for once

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it is literally neuro toxic, on par with alcohol, when not worse.

It's not meant for long term usage. It dumps all your serotonin. More of a once in a while thing to get over your shit, like psilocybin (which is also the only cure for suicide headaches).

Truth.

>take MDMA
>feel good
>high wears off
>feel even worse than you did to begin with
>kill self

Why do you think people need to be taking a substance non-stop?
Why is this mentality normalized into expectation?

I didn't say MDMA was good for you or that it was the wrong choice to ban it, because it wasn't. Shit will permanently fuck you up which is why they banned it in the first place. Yeah I mean, it's fun a few times but continuous use will just cause more problems then it's treating

oh definitely. It's very acute treatment with MDMA but it's so effective it really should be the 1st/2nd response.

Nowadays it's just easier to sell people overpriced SSRIs and they don't even have a higher prevalence than the placebo. The trick in medicine in the 21st is not to fix the problem, but to make it a manageable and profitable endeavor.

You won't ever hear a doctor talk about animals that don't make their own vitamin C in comparison to animals with high cancer rates. Solving the problem doesn't create customers.

So it's not worth trying?

I believe that the answer lies in society, I think it's making everyone depressed and overly stressed out.. is that what you're aiming at here? That new medication shouldn't be tried because the problem lies elsewhere?

That's not going to happen, society has to implode before it changes and the best thing to do is treat the symptoms. Right now the cure is out of your hands

it's definitely worth trying but I';d rather doctors feel comfortable and prescribe it to patients who can benefit from it. Not street versions that pale in effectiveness to the real drug.

And it worked so well with opioid aka xanax?
If you need to give humans drugs, give em some save ones, looking at 2c family as example. Mdma for ptsd is like opening a can with a samurai sword. Might work, but in most of the cases you cut off your arm

I agree. I just want to see doctors actually "loading these guns in their arsenal", not where they are so afraid for their license they will only prescribe uncontroversial drugs.

You don't know how they're going to administer it

That's actually what it was first developed for back in the 1980s. It started as a psychiatric drug then it became popular as a street drug and its prescription use was halted.

I just want doctors to be able to prescribe the drug if they think it would help the patient.

[pretty much every depression drug prescribed today is atypical. We're never going to help these people using drugs with indirect effects!

maybe consider remedying the cause rather than the symptom. people are depressed because of this neoliberal society pushing hyper-consumerism to its logical extreme amidst a stagnant and in some cases even decreasing standard of living.

drug dependency perpetuates a cycle. nothing is solved when you're doped out of your fucking mind.

try 1912s by germans

Sounds like you can't handle your narcotics. Nothing wrong with that, it's crap anyway. But you're still kinda a pussy. The afterdip is brutal so people with PTSD will prolly off themselves.

>I just want doctors to be able to prescribe the drug if they think it would help the patient.

That's their job.
Why are you searching for an argument? You're stressed out man..

Abuse of any psychoactive or addictive substance will do that.
Don't you have opioid crisis now?
Fully legal prescription opioids to be exact.
It certainly was a bad choice to stop all research.
Stop moralfagging.

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This nigga 4/20 asf

I'm not stressed at all. I'm pretty sure the topic of this conversation is the use of drugs such as MDMA that actually have good track records when treating certain conditions. Like I said before, amphetamines as a family have a host of medical benefits, some which are heavily utilized by medicine today and others that are placed aside for fears of risks.

I'm saying any drug that CAN work, should be considered. I'm not laboring to convey that argument and I don't feel it's a radical statement that requires external support to bolster.

Dude you're stressed. You don't even know it, that's messed up you are

You think it's normal

Actually, it's quite the opposite. For anyone to argue that anecdotal 2nd hand gossip regarding street variants of "claimed" drugs is anything close to good reason to take a solution off the table sounds retarded. You must be fairly stressed out to make that kind of argument.

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>can be imprisoned for imbibing anything the deep state deems too useful for the goy to utilize

AND THE LAAAAAAAND OF THE FREEEEEEE

You're telling me a drug that makes literally every-fucking-thing look and feel amazing might help with depression? Stop the fucking presses!!!

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Severe depression after coming down is a common side effect IIRC, something to do with dopamine receptors being flooded and burnt out.

Bolshevik is right for once.
It's underlying rot in our society that is the problem.
Take the paladin pill and come with me on a holy crusade to purge degenerates.

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under 500mg over the course of 24hrs every other year
or every 4 years minimum spacing of 4 months apart
and neurotoxicity is nonexistent. the depression from
these drugs is attributed to the surroundings and lifestyle.
Don't hang out with people who just want to drink and party.
If you are going to do it research it and download the MAPS
manual.
s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapscontent/research-archive/mdma/TreatmentManual_MDMAAssistedPsychotherapyVersion 8.1_22 Aug2017.pdf

I can not stress this part enough.
Avoid making friends while on substances.
repair yourself first then you'll meet better people if you
are experiencing depression. the worst thing you can do
is surround yourself with depressed people all the time.
all it does is create a codependency circle where everyone
uses quick fixes to make themselves feel better.
whether it's getting wasted, doing drugs, or whatever.

read this and every link in it
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
then start here
wikihow.com/Get-Better-Friends

also pick up something you've always wanted to do
or something you know you should do like volunteer.

stop talking shit also. people who constantly get you
to talk shit probably talk shit about you too.
so work on making friendships with people who want to
create stuff.

Jow Forums is now a board of love.
If you read this I love you.

(((Pushing))) drugs again, are we?

take your daily SOMA sweeties
remember the community orgy is at 12 tonight!! :)))

Mdma only works temporarily. I mean as soon as you come down you realise all of what you experienced was a result of consuming a drug, it feels completely fake. maybe it works for some especially with a therapist or something because it will open you up and allow you to spill all of your emotions.

mdma along with weed and shrooms, and some others should all be legal, they're not even that bad.

if you've never felt love in your life it shows you what it feels like.

any of the school shooters would have benefited from it

You know you can take substances in smaller doses.
Doses that don't cause any sort of trip but will help brain to work properly.
I work in pharmaceutical industry AMA.

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Yeah but you come down and realise it was all a lie induced by a psychoactive substance. I'v done it plenty and i'm still just the same as I was before. it's never given me a life altering realisation except when i'm peaking, then when I come down it's all "well i'm glad I didn't say that shit out loud that I would have absolutely regretted" then I cringe at myself for what I did say and did for a few hours. Maybe if you are gullible and easily impressionable then it would work better.

This is unironically a good idea, none of the stupid fucks in this thread have any idea what they're talking about other than muh drugs or anecdotal experience of using it for fun.

Studies have been done where minimal dosages were given to soldiers returning from war with PTSD prior to going through a session of regular therapy. If memory serves me right 80% came out cured after one session. So yes, it does work.

Tying MDMA to Weed how fucking pathetic and retarded are you?

I'v tried mdma in smaller doses. like 150mg but it doesn't really do anything except make me wired. I don't get much benefit at all from taking smaller doses. my starter dose is 250.

Do you know anything about the legitimacy of micro dosing shrooms? does it actually help areas of your brain link up to other areas it couldn't previously reach? does it enhance connections and make you super human?

New age bullshit, shrooms won't make you brainiac, weed won't cure cancer and MDMA won't cure all mental issues
There is a bunch of neurotransmitters and receptors in brain.
When they don't work like they should you get different mental issues.
Psychoactive substances can be used to alter brain chemistry.
ITT everyone is talking about drug abuse not legitimate medical use of substance.
With medical use you don't get high, goal is to improve brain chemistry.

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what about pic related. before and after psilocybin treatment

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What about it?
Scientific method anyone?
Repeated studies with consistent outcomes?
We don't even know how brain works yet, some drugs that we use are a total mystery, all we know is that they work.
Self medication and single studies are as viable as any anecdotal evidence.
You kids better stay away from drugs and go /SIG

you don't sound like you know fuck all.

>no large studies
>because the substance is illegal
>which is why it needs to be illegal

Retard alert

Ecstasy has a way nastier hangover than alcohol. So not a very good remedy for people feeling bad. Give them LSD or mushrooms instead.

This is actually a good thing. All those viet vets will get some peace.

DMT > MUSHROOMS > LSD >>>>>>>> MDMA

For depression, MDMA is one of the worst possible drugs you could take.

There's about a 50% chance that the comedown / hangover will KILL your fucking mood and make your depression grow even stronger. They call it the suicide hangover for a reason.

Not only is the hangover bad, but MDMA is the bandaid of drugs. It gives you a cheap dopamine boost.

Mushrooms and DMT are different. They are extremely exhausting and require you to actively choose to deal with what is causing you stress/depression. It is like an emotional gauntlet and if you come out the victor you will be rewarded with a HUGE mood boost the next day that slowly diminishes over the course of six months.

This shit was just tested for use as a single session
No one would be regularly hopped up legally

love you too

>send amerigoys to fight for israel
>when they leave the army and are useless to Israel recycle them as drug addict so (((big pharma))) can steel milk them for shekels
the life of an american soldier is literally serving jews at every step

MDMA activates serotonin receptors. It's great for modulating the effects of an underactive subthalamic nuclei