Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hey losers, care to explain why your ideology hasn’t been successful after all this time, and why everyone without fail who supports it is either a retard or a loser
Brody Scott
Hello gomrades! :DDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie goundry, and no goods are Broduced and beeple starve. :DDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist sociedy dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug worging glass beeple. :DDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When gabidalisds run away we win and I gill you all. :DDDDD Evendually the functions of sdade cease and sdade becomes murderous and indisdinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to next goundry :DDDDDDD
reply to this post or your mother dies tonigjt btw
ALLAH AGBAR INFIDELS XDDDD! Dis is general for egsersise of Margslam, da religion of beaceful gangrabe and moderade beheadings :DDDD
Margslam is da glosesd stage to prophed Margs beace be ubbon em after we beheadedd all da infidel and burned deir sogiedies.
Wats da Margslam according to Margsalamis: >Margslam is da sdage of enlighdenment from which da infidel runs away :DDD. >Margslam worgs in mysderious ways that worshib da holle words of prophed Margs beace be ubbon em. >To ged our 42 virgins (lol) prophed Margs beace be ubbon em, deaches us we must gill and rape the infidels with da hamma and siggels and gonger da land and rape da wifes. Den baradise be ubbon us as a whole and the ded infidels will widder away, Margs beace be ubbon em said. margslam.se/religionofbeace
Can I ask you guys a question: Why do you want to have a few people make all the money? That’s all our disagreement is. Nobody wants to get rid of work, nobody wants handouts, we just want to make sure people get paid reasonably. Why do the rich have to keep so much? It’s not like they proportionally earned it. They may have earned being rich, but the amount is not sustainable... they are taking rediculous amounts and not doing anything to further the well-being of our nation, rather the opposite actually: destroying our culture and morale.
Why do people here get so mad at this concept, we don’t want totalitarian egalitarianism you fucking morons, we just don’t want a debt based society with special privileges for elites.
I always see the argument boil down to: “I am content with my low-standard of life, and am okay with all this because I want to keep others in poverty because it makes me feel better since I have nothing to my identity besides my job”
>I bought muh house and was frugal! >I played into the corrupt system and sacrified for years, you need to too!
It’s just extremely agitated crabs in a bucket. You don’t see how NON TOTALITARIAN communism couldn’t benefit workers?!? Jesus christ you guys talk about free speech, but are just as thin skinned as leftist shutting down all anti-capitalist talk...
I’ve never seen a successful argument against communism. It’s always just reaction “wow I cant even, its so simple how communism won’t work!” “Your really asking? Open a history book”
Do you have any arguments in the modern day? Why get so mad? Just rationally expain how it doesn’t work without fallicies so I can be enlightened.
Juan Rodriguez
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Noah Kelly
HELICOPTER RIDES ARE TOO MERCIFUL FOR THE COMMUNIST SCUM
HELICOPTER RIDES ARE TOO MERCIFUL FOR THE COMMUNIST SCUM
Gabriel Roberts
Its jewish subversion to try to remind the goyim that (((capitalism))) is the only way.
Venezuela was a Jewish plot to discredit economic reform. They had to fuck up a shitskin country since the goyim were starting to question (((capitalism)))
How you can frame jewish controlled opposition as true communism while ignoring that capitalism is the most jewish sytem in existence is beyond me.
Hello gomrades! :DDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie goundry, and no goods are Broduced and beeple starve. :DDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist sociedy dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug worging glass beeple. :DDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When gabidalisds run away we win and I gill you all. :DDDDD Evendually the functions of sdade cease and sdade becomes murderous and indisdinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to next goundry :DDDDDDD
Hello gomrades! :DDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie goundry, and no goods are Broduced and beeple starve. :DDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist sociedy dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug worging glass beeple. :DDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When gabidalisds run away we win and I gill you all. :DDDDD Evendually the functions of sdade cease and sdade becomes murderous and indisdinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to next goundry :DDDDDDD leftypol shills are reporting spurdo posting
1. COMMODITIES AS SUCH The wealth of societies in which capitalist production prevails consists of commodities. A commodity is a thing that has use-value; the latter exists in all forms of society, but in capitalist society, use-value is, in addition, the material depository of exchange-value.
Exchange-value presupposes a tertium comparationis by which it is measured; labor, the common social substance of exchange-values, to be precise, the socially necessary labor-time embodied in them.
Just as a commodity is something twofold: use-value and exchange-value, so the labour contained in it is two-fold determined:
on the one hand, as definite productive activity, weaving labour, tailoring labour, etc. — "useful labour"; on the other, as the simple expenditure of human labour-power, precipitated abstract (general) labour. The former produces use-value, the latter exchange-value; only the latter is quantitatively comparable (the differences between skilled and unskilled, composite and simple labour confirm this).
Hence, the substance of exchange-value is abstract labour and its magnitude is the measure of time of abstract labour. Now, to consider the form of exchange-value.
(1) x commodity a = y commodity b;
Dylan Mitchell
Here is Marx on the subject of Jews:
What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. … Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man—and turns them into commodities. … The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.
clearly ourguy
Jace Johnson
The value of a commodity in the use-value of another is its relative value. The expression of the equivalence of two commodities is the simple form of relative value. In the above equation, y commodity b is the equivalent. In it, x commodity a acquires it value-form in contrast to its (the commodity's) natural form, while y commodity b acquires, at the same time, the property of direct exchangeability, even in its natural form. Exchange-value is impressed upon the use-value of a commodity by definite historical relations. Hence, the commodity cannot express its exchange-value in its own use-value, but only in the use-value of another commodity. Only in the equation of two concrete products of labour does the property of the concrete labour contained in both come to light as abstract human labour i.e., a commodity cannot be related to the concrete labour contained in itself, as the mere form of realization of abstract labour, but it can be so related to the concrete labour contained in other kinds of commodities.
Benjamin Murphy
Do you really think that the new bourgeoisie, after you implement Communism, will share their wealth evenly after they attain power?
Mason Gutierrez
you ignorant nigger
>second bill of rights no marxism necessary
>marx the kike
>kikes being hugely over represented in soviet power structures
stop being a brainlet before the troubles or you'll just get fucked up with the other traitors
sage~
Hunter Turner
marx was a jew descendent of a long line of rabbis found you out shlomo
Landon Cook
>imagine being this gay
Jacob Perry
This is the expanded relative form of value. Here, x commodity a no longer refers to one, but to all commodities as the mere phenomenal forms of the labour represented in it. But, through simple reversal, it leads to
(3) the converse second form of relative value:
y commodity b = x commodity a
v commodity c = x commodity a
u commodity d = x commodity a
t commodity e = x commodity a
etc., etc.
Here, the commodities are given the general relative form of value, in which all of them are abstracted from their use-values and equated to x commodity a as the materialization of abstract labour; x commodity a is the generic form of the equivalent for all other commodities; it is their universal equivalent; the labour materialized in it represents in itself the realization of abstract labour, labour in general.
questioned Murphy’s requirement that planning requires pre-knowledge of all possible prices, • argued that the domain of prices to which planning is applied is in prin- ciple finite rather than infinite and that thus Cantor’s arguments are inapplicable, or at worst prices are countable, and Cantor’s arguments are applicable but irrelevant because there is no concievable require- ment that this domain be closed under diagonalisation, • argued that planning over finite prices is tractable, • shown that diagonalisation is not applicable to prices or commodities, and • discussed how infinite structures of predominantly zero values may be given finite representations. In conclusion we have shown that Murphy’s arguments are ill founded. The computational feasibility of economic planning at a detailed level is an issue that must be investigated in its own right, and cannot be settled by appeal to Cantor. We have presented specific arguments that suggest that detailed planning is indeed feasible.
Connor Cox
the quote is authentic, everybody knows Marx is a Jew, but as you can see he calls out his own people
Jordan Wood
something wrong i hold my head marx born like 200 million nigga dead
Alexander Thomas
Oh, very nice pasta, now please explain us all how do you calculate the price of a good based in worked time and use-value.
Brandon Rivera
only reason to visit these threads
Tyler Gonzalez
>Paul Cockshott proved that the economic calculation problem is not real no he didn't sorry
sure thing rabbi, thats why a jewish majority bolshevik revolution led by a jew was the first nation to practice the jewish ideology of communism
Brody Murphy
You don't use that to calculate price but the labour content of goods produced that are to be directly exchanged for labour credits in a socialist planned economy.
Carson Cooper
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Lucas Cruz
did you read the quote you fucking retard? Im not praising communism, which i know is jewish
you know what nevermind, just eat a dick
Julian Sanchez
If communism is jewish, why did (((they))) let it collapse in this jew owned world? Wouldnt they want to expand it?
Could it be that maybe communism isnt jewish and that maybe the rich people in the west are the real enemies?
Aiden Rogers
I always find it funny that there's never any explanation given as to why the "ruling elites" would want to institute globalism/Marxism. I mean, isn't Marxism, of all ideologies, the one that should be most unappealing to the rich and powerful? Like what's the endgame for the secret cabal of globalist jews? Institute Marxism so that they can... redistribute their wealth and power to the proletariat?
Evan Jones
Nice, and how do you calculate the price of those labour credits based on direct and indirect labour time?
Jackson Moore
Beat me to it
Aiden Morris
take the memeflag off and we'll talk, with the lead I at least knew I was 90% guarenteed to be talking to a troll or a shill
Logan Bell
>with the lead leaf
Michael Ortiz
Where does individualism lies in marxism / socialism / communism / etc. ?
David Phillips
>Where does individualism lies in marxism / socialism / communism / etc. ?
A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.
Brandon Mitchell
That’s not how it works. See this just shows me that you cannot view this is a modern reasonable sense. Everything about communism in your head is just totalitarianism.
I’m sure you can figure out how accountability and gov transparency has changed since then.
Oliver Cooper
>from long working hours - How do you claim that the work hours are long? - When the working hours are already short? Btw, in Poland there is 40 hours of work, while week has 168 hours, which gives 23% of time is spent on work. At least in Poland. France has 38 hours per week and you could still said it is too long.
>exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners Do you understand that this fucking owner had to take risk and INVEST his own wealth to make his company profitable? Are you aware how many of those investors are going bankrupt?
>free worker by having less work Wow, but I still have to work. Also is the wage per hour still the same?
>both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests But I already have the time for work, spending time with family and having some hobby. I even sleep up to 9 hours per day. I just managed to work remotely, so I save a lot of time.
Blake Gomez
Answer this please
Tyler Lewis
>Gulag
Daniel Perry
Whatever it was, it was bullshit. Your ideology FAILS. EVERY. TIME. >muh not real Communism >muh it will work next time
Also, Did you by CHANCE asked yourself what is the percentage of inmates, rather that number. Because 1% of 1000 is bigger than 1% of 100, but they have the same percentage.
Also you cannot compare mortality rate of gulag against US prison.
So you are comparing political prisoners dying in droves in slave labour camps in the 1920s to the present number of prisoners serving out drug sentences in american jails presently.
How are you gonna be sure nobody strays from the true path of communist once they are in the power, what if the mans in the power decide to not give it to the workers and oppress them?
Camden Parker
Kill. All. Commies.
Jayden Foster
>How are you gonna be sure nobody strays from the true path of communist once they are in the power, what if the mans in the power decide to not give it to the workers and oppress them?
Obviously the system in place must be designed to avoid such situation making sure that the system remains a democratic planned economy socialist state rather than undemocratic.
