Russia caused WWI

The problem with WWI is that it was caused by a series of choices that each person involved had no choice but to make.

Austria couldn't release Serbia. Serbian rebels had to fight for their country. Russia had to protect its fellow Slavs, Germany had to defend its ally. France had to help Russia. Germany had to invade Belgium. England had to honor its agreement to protect Belgium. Germany had to shoot English ships. America had to intervene to protect Americans on those ships.

It had to happen that way, and everyone knew what was going to happen. They all had to plan to try to live with that reality.

That's why Bismark said "One day the great European war will come out of some damn foolish thing in the Balkans” because even he knew it.

The German White Book (1914)
"How Russia and Her Ruler Betrayed Germany's Confidence and Thereby Caused the European War"

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France had to support Russia. Everyone knew Germany would have easily defeated Russia if Russia didn't get help (Remember, Russia recently lost a war with Japan).

Would you like to be France after the war? When your neighbor is a Germany that has crippled its only other rival, and now has all of the power of the German army AND the Russian territory it took?

France had to fight, because if it didn't, then it would face an even harder fight later.

Agreed. They got what was coming for them tho so meh

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For what reason would Germany need to attack France? The situation was stable beforehand except for French butthurt over Alsace and Lorraine.

It just seems like a bunch of justifying, it could be the same for any war really

Why does Russia have to protect "fellow Slavs"? It wanted influence in the balkans, that's all

>Another Germans are victims thread
Worse than niggers

It’s actually the fault of a Serbian terrorist cell.

>For what reason would Germany need to attack France

France was the stronger of its two rivals. Germany really had no choice but to try to hit France before France could rally and hit Germany. Germany had to attack France, because otherwise, France would attack Germany, for the reasons listed above. If Germany didn't attack, WWI would have still happened, but with all the troops digging trenches in Germany instead of France.

If two people have guns pointed at each other, you don't want to be the one who shoots second.

>Why does Russia have to protect "fellow Slavs"? It wanted influence in the balkans, that's all
Because then Russia would have appeared weak, and The Ottomans and Austria would have just done whatever they wanted in the Balkans. It would have turned Russia from a rival to a laughing stock.

Idk, they equally could have ignored their alliance as well and let Russia attack Austria-Hungary
But it was still Russia that initiated it

If Germany ignored its alliance, then Austria-Hungary would have been crushed, which would leave Germany all alone with two superpowers on either side, thus all but ensuring her destruction at a later date.

the issue was secret alliances all around, but russia did kinda start the chain of team ups

>the reasons listed above
That's what I'm questioning. Germany needed to preemptively attack France because they saw France WAS going to attack them. But why would Germany need to do it otherwise? France would have no reason to attack, especially being the stronger.
They were pointing guns at each other for decades and were happy to just keep building bigger guns.

> It would have turned Russia from a rival to a laughing stock.
Exactly, nothing about necessity, only worried about their image.
Maybe they could have focused on the Ottomans and it wouldn't have involved the European powers.

and yet she was destroyed later anyway. Only saying they weren't faultless like the Greek implied I was

>That's what I'm questioning. Germany needed to preemptively attack France because they saw France WAS going to attack them. But why would Germany need to do it otherwise? France would have no reason to attack, especially being the stronger.
>They were pointing guns at each other for decades and were happy to just keep building bigger guns.

What you don't seem to understand is that it would have been pants-on-head retarded for any of the participants not to participate, because otherwise their rival would have won and gotten stronger.

If France didn't fight, Germany would win and get stronger, thus ensuring the future destruction of France.

If Germany didn't fight, then it would have lost its allies and been even weaker, and ensure the destruction of Germany.

If Russia didn't fight, then its enemies would gain territory and be even stronger, thus ensuring Russia's defeat.

If Austria didn't fight, it would lose territory and be even weaker.

Even the Ottomans were a dying empire, and had to fight to keep power or be gobbled up at a future date.

>and yet she was destroyed later anyway.
Which means Germany's fears were entirely justified. Better to fight when they had a chance to win, instead of wait until they had no hope.

>ensuring
>ensuring
>ensuring
I am really quite sure that Serbia was not of such vital importance to Russia's survival.

If Serbia fell, then the central powers would have no reason not to grab Montenegro, or Albania, or Romania, or just keep going. After all, they already set the precedent. Eventually, Russia will have to fight, and would it make more sense to fight now, while your enemy is caught on two fronts, or later, when they have more territory, troops, weapons, etc?

Anglos and Krauts have no sense of loyalty and real friendship. Slavs may be many things but at least we always stand by our friends.

Jews started ww1
And every war since. With their communism and bullshit

the reason Austria-Hungary would have to not grab Montenegro, Albania, or Romania is that none of the them were complicit in assassinating the heir to their Emperor's throne.

It seems so, especially if it means having an excuse to topple the remaining strong monarchies in Europe and open the countries more than ever to jewish influence

You clearly can't understand the mindset of people at the time. There is no such thing as "enough" for empires. Ask yourself what the heir to the throne was doing in Serbia to begin with? Enforcing dominance and taking territory.

Choose to remain ignorant if you want I'm done speaking with you.

are you implying it's an act of aggression if a people manage to be convinced to accept the rule of a foreigner?
Is even that enough to prompt Russia to attack? The question was of invasion.
And in any case, I would think especially with Romania there would already be outspoken Russian defense to deter it, so it's not an issue.

But if for whatever reason it was, then you can say Austria-Hungary were the cause of WWI, but this is a make-believe scenario

>Of course it was Germany who actually declared war, but it is true Russia was already moving to attack Austria-Hungary and they ignored Germany's request to help investigate the assassination?

That was the stupidest thing you've said.

>Russia moved troops
>we preemptive the war by starting a war.

It's called legit posture vs looking to knockout your opponent before they are on their posture. It's what Japan did to the US in Perl Harbor.

Germany gave a blank-check Austria-Hungry. The reality was Germany wanted to prove itself and it backfired(bad diplomacy). The penalties, Treaty of Versailles, were exaggerated ensuring WW2.

It ended 500+ years of Prussian tradition, sad. Germany worked so hard to get to that point. After that, Poland got created.

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No, there was a tangled web of alliances in Europe at the time. It was inevitable.

russia fought 1 againt 3 enemies along big fronline - germany, austria and ottoman empires and with very good results. they destroyed austrian and ottoman army and could destroy german if not revolution and collapse of russian empire.

lol, cry more krautlover

not only moving troops but creating supply lines and deploying weapons.
This was clearly established as an act of war at the time, was it not?
it feels like people pay too much attention to which side is the first to formally declare (acknowledge) that they're at war.

but I agree about what Germany lost, especially the monarchy.
the start of a downward spiral for the entire world, Anglo hegemony is good for nobody, even the English.

only the Jews

Nobody, in any circumstances, should ever "do like Italy".

I would love even bolshevik russians before loving a Pole

>attack a country
>not our fault it's their fault for defending
it's not even how retarded you are that triggers me, your nerve and arrogance in your retardation is.

only germany and austria wanted war because they tought that they are special snowflakes and have rights for more lands

france, uk and russia had zero interst in war, they had waste empires to manage, especially russia, it was rapidly industrializing and has 10% growth every year before the war, people were very bussy creating capitalims

war was declared by austria and german due to 3 reasons
1)theywanted more gold
2)they wanted more land
3)they had many young unemployed males

>kill a country's royal
>refuse to investigate
>why are we being aggressed upon?

you remember how you learned that the last part of the ultimatum, which stated their forces would march into serbia and investigate was impossible to agree to, which is an important piece of evidence to the truth that austria was just waiting for an excuse?
In the west they learn that Princip was literally funded by our government, as if such a move wasn't going to plunge the country into one of the bloodiest wars in history.

>serbia killed him
see? they're all retards with no concept of freedom or independence.

of course Apis was a hungarian then?

We have a lot of understanding for freedom and independence, but when you need the backing of Slavic allies many hundreds of miles away from you in order to have it, this indicates you might not deserve it

If would have been European Conttiental Spergout #5,321 if the UK had stayed out. The “everybody was allied with everybody else clusterfuck” ignores the fact the British were only coolly and relatively recently friendly with France. They dithered with Germany before August on Belgium (no, we’re fine if you ADVANCE, just don’t ATTACK Belgium...) so as to give them an opportunity to jump into what, they assumed at least, was going to a splendid little spat and fuckover everyone else. But by jumping in, they kinda locked everybody into a death match no one could walk away from.

TL;DR - The Anglo blew up Europe trying to fuckover France, Germany, and Russia

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>kill a country's royal
he wasn't killed by the serbian state, but by some random serbian guy. and serbia agreed to investigate, it just didn't agree to give austria full power to arrest whoever it wants on serbian soil. and austria was no innocent country, they have already lost a trade war to us and annexed bosnia in order to stop us from expanding there. they itched for war, they got it, and they lost. stop whinning.
woah don't break the echochamber m8, germans are just a righteous nation kept down by da joos.

And I respectfully disagree with your sentiment
Not that the people here need to "deserve" anything in your eyes
We fought for our freedom and drove the bloodthirsty austrians back, along with their delusions of superiority (while using fellow europeans as a buffer zone for turks)

The brits cuased that and ww2. Ask the brits cousin running russia.

Didn't Germany and another country supply the commies with weapons?

idk, it seems reasonable that austria wouldn't expect a proper investigation like that.
The assassin was with the revolutionaries at the time

yes of course, your freedom to share a country with croatians.
and then your freedom to become an EU province.
these things all worked out well for the serbian people.

rephrase, I have no idea what you're saying

No, they supplied the commie a train ticket. That was enough.

>harder fight later
>20 years later
>lasted 6 fucking weeks
a lot of good that did.

That’s very naive reading of history.

yeah, the revolutionary organization known as young bosnia
honestly there are so many ignorant people when it comes to this particular topic, do westerners have some sort of agreement to twist this event?
Everybody knows they we're like a hungry dog on a leash at the time, they were merely waiting for the 'go' that empire had an eye on the balkan for as long as it has existed
>these things all worked out well for the serbian people.
no thanks to you, vile servant of the globalists
And even when faced with such poverty and misfortune, somehow we are still more civil than you. Can you even walk around at night in an average american city? You people are the only ones that think having "no go" zones at night is normal

that ferdinand's killing was done by some revolutionaries being organized by the Serbian state
so it made sense to think an investigation by them wouldn't give proper results. They believed they wanted it to happen or even directly conducted it

Of course killing their heir is exactly the thing to make them take their eye off the balkans

>vile servant of the globalists
austria-hungary's collapse and the german monarchy's collapse are what lead to globalism taking hold, why are you blaming me?

For all the animals in America at least the country can manage to hold onto its own territories
>kosovo

Russia and Germany had non agression pact signed during Bismarck.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinsurance_Treaty

Wilhelm II screwed that when he didnt renew the treaty, believing that republican France and absolutist Russia will never ally. Russkies got spooked and allied France. So it were Germans, really (or rather just Wilhelm II) who betrayed the Russo-German relations

In 1914, germans were looking for some time to start war so they didnt care about any investigation.
Prior to the war, both France and Russia prolonged their conscription to 3 years and started arming. German planners deducted that by 1916 latest, combined French and Russian armies will be too much to handle. Therefore they wanted to start the war ASAP

>austria-hungary's collapse and the german monarchy's collapse are what lead to globalism taking hold, why are you blaming me?
I am not talking about who caused what, I am calling you a servant in the present tense, thank you for your service
>Of course killing their heir is exactly the thing to make them take their eye off the balkans
brainlet, plans aren't made on whims, empires think decades in advance, and the invasion that happened was in the works for a long time before it happened
>For all the animals in America at least the country can manage to hold onto its own territories
Ah yes, the territory NATO stole from us while siding with literal isis jihadists just to put a military base there to spite russia (under false pretenses, might I add)
Don't forget to cry about how we ethnically cleansed ourselves from that region
>the american cries as it strikes you
As for your integrity and territories, if everything that matters is owned by people that consider the average american little more than chaff, is it really your country?

why am I the servant if I'm the one calling for a return to strong monarchy?
>the territory NATO stole from us while siding with literal isis jihadists
feels kind of like being part of a larger unit is a little bit preferable now, doesn't it?
kind of like "independence" isn't as easy as you wanted to think?
>is it really your country?
I referred to it in third person not first
it doesn't make much difference, but to me it looks like everything of significance is already owned by average americans.
If you think things like media conglomerations or big insurance companies are what makes America prosperous then try replicating it in Serbia.
maybe then refugees would want to stay there and you'd get to have no-go zones as well.
Sounds like fun

Watch this. Great series.

youtube.com/watch?v=PbwH1ZBnYds

WWI was bound to happen it just needed a casus belli. Serbs were the dumbasses who provided the required casus belli.

>why am I the servant if I'm the one calling for a return to strong monarchy?
The average modern american is a servant that wages war for globalists for stupid reasons and false pretenses, a return to monarchy is impossible, unless someone incredibly advanced seized the world by force in a day, which your failing society is not going to achieve
>feels kind of like being part of a larger unit is a little bit preferable now, doesn't it?
that plan failed with the fall of yugoslavia, we take what we get and deal with it
>kind of like "independence" isn't as easy as you wanted to think?
as cucked as we are by the west, our spirit is not broken, and we will outlast our oppressors just as we always have, you will find no weakness here
>everything of significance is already owned by average americans.
Big insurance companies are the thing you go for?
How about your ahem "federal" reserve?
Is there a more literal way of owning a country?
When was the last war you fought that benefited your people of defended them? Protip, they're all shams
>maybe then refugees would want to stay there and you'd get to have no-go zones as well.
as the greedy lazybags skip through our country I am glad, they will get their gibs in the west, and we will continue, it's a stroke of luck, if anything.
as for what makes you prosperous, it is your former glory on the tail of which you still ride.
Does the modern citizen there even realize that the ideals you were founded on are completely gone?
How do you feel about Snowden?

I like the fact that you guys shot down a f-117.
I am sorry our sell out satanic globalist politicians fucked you guys.

interesting
communists truly are a banker funded scourge

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Fuck I knew after actually reading up on what happened in Serbia that Serbs are hard, moral men.

Fuck off Mehmet you turkroach

They're so easily fooled into fighting for something as outspoken and direct as globalism, yet you think they'll be aware enough to realize when they're fighting for monarchism.
>that plan failed with the fall of yugoslavia
no, it failed long before that, when your revolutionaries overthrew their government
>we will outlast our oppressors just as we always have, you will find no weakness here
I'm finding no strength either... you know it's better if you are strong enough to not be oppressed in the first place, right?
>Is there a more literal way of owning a country?
becoming a member of a larger organization that has unelected leaders who dictate your policy
something Serbia is working hard towards
>Does the modern citizen there even realize that the ideals you were founded on are completely gone?
they are ideals which you were just crying about, so I'm not sure why you'd care
>How do you feel about Snowden?
he's irrelevant like every supposed whistleblower who suddenly becomes the television face of a supposed opposition movement
it's an established circus in America if you weren't aware

>Austria and Serbia would have been an isolated conflict if Germany had not intervened to protect Austria from Serbia
ftfy

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>They're so easily fooled into fighting for something as outspoken and direct as globalism, yet you think they'll be aware enough to realize when they're fighting for monarchism.
monarchy has a face, try selling that to the average "freedom" loving westerner
Especially when it comes to succession
>no, it failed long before that, when your revolutionaries overthrew their government
no, there was definitely some hope when yugoslavia came to be, but forces beyond our control dictated the political climate, not to mention that the western spies did their fair share in destabilizing the country
>I'm finding no strength either... you know it's better if you are strong enough to not be oppressed in the first place, right?
Not everything can be solved by strength alone, there is a huge drop of luck when it comes to a region's historical destiny, we fought many times and lost many people, but foreign demons always return, we will still continue living
>becoming a member of a larger organization that has unelected leaders who dictate your policy
That is actually a scam, we are going along with it because we have to pretend to be yes men in our current situation, if you think anyone is falling for anything the EU says you don't know us, as for dictating our policy, we only take what's good, so it works out in the end. Until we can be free from those shackles too, eventually
>they are ideals which you were just crying about, so I'm not sure why you'd care
I care because they were good, and you have forsaken them. That's all there is to it.
>he's irrelevant like every supposed whistleblower who suddenly becomes the television face of a supposed opposition movement
He showed the masses that privacy, something everyone held "sacred" didn't exist.
The response? crickets
>it's an established circus in America if you weren't aware
I have seen a few cases, but never thought it was a long running joke to close both eyes to the carpet being pulled out from under you

This is true, except it wasn't a false flag. The Serbian military intelligence orchestrated the assassination and knew full well what it was doing. Dragutin Dimitrijevic and the rest of the spooks masterminded it and provided support, while Young Bosnia (a righteous movement) was used as a pawn to execute the plan.
It is entirely likely that the Serbian deep state knew full well that war would ensue and was in a deal with Russia.
Austria had it all coming, tho. Annex shit, get hit. Not to mention fucking with us economically and politically for years just cause they were butthurt that a Yugoslav nation was capable of state-building. Fuck their bitch ass archduke. All in the game.
It was all in all a glorious time, and I miss Serbia being an actual regional player with balls and muscle. And the way that Austria got gaped invasion after invasion will forever be comedy gold.

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Nah, germs and their eternal butthurt caused WW1

Rothschild created WWI to change the power structure of Europe. The House of Romanov was one of their targets.

So does globalism which advocates for their entire nation to be dissolved, and yet there's been no issue selling that to them.
they also have no issue accepting when a son inherits the billions and billions of dollars of property from his bigshot business magnate Father.
this discussion has become you just trying to find a way to project pride
>foreign demons always return
not when they're dead
everything can be solved by strength
>I care because they were good, and you have forsaken them. That's all there is to it.
Tell me what Easterners are teaching their kids about Western ideals, then
>The response? crickets
because everyone was already aware that privacy didn't exist. what were you expecting in asking about him?
>never thought it was a long running joke to close both eyes to the carpet being pulled out from under you
if it were the case then a person like Trump wouldn't have gotten so much support to go anywhere near the government.
but the fact that there wasn't outcry over things that had already been fought over a decade ago isn't very relevant.
you just cried about western spies in your government and now you cry about them being spies in our own country.

>So does globalism which advocates for their entire nation to be dissolved, and yet there's been no issue selling that to them.
Globalism does not have a face, it is sold as a "greater good for everyone" deal
>this discussion has become you just trying to find a way to project pride
probably right, and your accurate analysis in your previous posts make me wish the world had more of you, and less of the average consumer
>everything can be solved by strength
we fight defensive wars, going out of your way to exterminate your enemy has never been our way of doing things, despite what the kosovo/bosnia related propaganda would have you think
>Tell me what Easterners are teaching their kids about Western ideals, then
When you were founded, it was supposed to be a nation for the people, with a government that feared the people and worked for them.
Not that it ever mattered, such a great opportunity for the ruling class was marked from the start as an ideal habitat
>because everyone was already aware that privacy didn't exist. what were you expecting in asking about him?
nothing much, and I can't really agree with you, there is no way that the average person was aware just how deep into their daily lives the government could dig, most probably thought their online conversations were private
>you just cried about western spies in your government
yugoslavia government* that place doesn't exist anymore, but there are still spies in current serbia as well, wouldn't be surprised if they had plans ready in case of another bombing
>if it were the case then a person like Trump wouldn't have gotten so much support to go anywhere near the government.
That's like waving at an irritating mosquito and declaring that action a valiant effort. Yields no results and you get to feel like you did something as a proud "democratic" citizen

monarchy will be sold as the same, except it will actually be true, and demonstrably. Globalism's face is people going on TV saying "no people are illegal" and that "you can't see borders from space" and that it's wrong to put your own people above others because we're all "one race" and all the other nonsense.
>going out of your way to exterminate your enemy has never been our way of doing things
always try new things
>it was supposed to be a nation for the people, with a government that feared the people and worked for them.
for their interest, not their whim, and it was to the government's discretion who "the people" consisted of.
loyalists to the English tyrant were cast out, natives were driven away from settlements regardless of which side they were on.
the Founders even tried to invade Quebec but were stopped.
but it's exactly like you said, it was all nothing more than an opportunity for the ruling class.
>there is no way that the average person was aware just how deep into their daily lives the government could dig
after 9/11 and the Patriot Act it was already accepted
>That's like waving at an irritating mosquito and declaring that action a valiant effort.
of course, that's democracy, but what matters is the sentiment. it's not the case that people think the mosquito isn't irritating.
they do, they're just waiting for someone else to smash it for them.

I don't really disagree with anything you're saying, which means there is nothing to talk about when on Jow Forums
I gotta ask though, why monarchy?
And make it quick, it's 4 in the morning here

Monarchy because it needs to function in the public and it ties the leader directly to the well-being of his subjects, plus it's more secure long term than autocracy.

modern things like the internet alleviate most historical shortcomings of Monarchy
Nothing can be completely hidden anymore

>black hand(russian socialist) that literally caused the whole assassination

Wasn’t most of the Russian Socialists/marxists jews?

That is unlikely to ever come to pass, but stranger things have happened, I'm out.

Most things regarding the country's past were unlikely
See ya.

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