Kratom

>The FDA wants to ban this natural substance.
There are many naturally occurring poisons, so I fail to see what it being natural has to do with anything.

I don’t find it to be a downer at all. Many use it as coffee

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ban it

i use kratom quite a bit
i used to order from gaia ethnobotanical but last time i bought some i bought it from botanical bunny or some shit (i think that's the name)
we gotta make sure this shit isnt made illegal or else we'll triple fuck ourselves

>i'd rather get high for 5 minutes and experience a terrible comedown

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It’s no more addictive than a cup of coffee. I can take it a month straight and have “withdrawals” for only a couple day which consist of only being a little lethargic or headachey.
It’s certainly less addictive than caffeine nicotine booze or weed

>There are many naturally occurring poisons
in kratom, though? any evidence for that?

i hate opiates
i love coke/uppers
am intro-antiscoial
no meds
will it make me less sperg?

It's still an opiate-like compound and has very strong (and long) withdrawal. Recommend don't use unless you're trying to ditch actual opiates.

Missing the point entirely. You earn that flag.

>i hate opiates
it's not for you

It's really mild and tastes like absolute shit from what I have heard

Beats oxycotin though unless you like addiction and death

thanks then

>refuses to give evidence of any "poisons" in kratom
>"YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT MY DUDE"
no, YOU are. I'm not gonna believe what you say until you're backing it up with something, stupid american meme flag

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Imagine posting about your drug habits on Jow Forums

My issue with this kind of shit is I don't want to smoke or injust something a filthy kike cut corners with to save a penny.

It's the same reason I don't take pills unless I have to.

kratom gives me an excellent quality of life. ive also avoided havng surgery on my shoulder since ive found it. I was absolutely miserable on norco and gabapentin for a musculoskeletal disorder and kratom gave me my life back. daily user, 3-4 small doses for almost 3 years now, excellent overall health

ONLY DO IT SPARINGLY WTF YOU CRACKHEADS

WHY WOULD YOU BECOME DEPENDENT ON A DAILY DRUG

its all satire bro

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What's a good kratom source? Also what's the best strain?

it is a opiate, get it straight

that's why this stuff is so shady

remember china and opiates? yeah? DO YOU?

any idea how many opiates are on the markets around you in pill-form?

-walks out making the pyramid hand-sign-

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Faggot. Read what I wrote again. I never claimed that there were poisons in Kratom. It was a criticism of using "natural" as an argument, which it isn't.

Nah dude I'm actually a fuggin meme wizard that can fly and shoot energy beams

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sounds like you need the free market in your life user

Drugs aside we all do.

I used it years ago, helped me get over a nasty opiate addiction.
That's exactly why they want to get rid of it

what’s the the point? By that logic we should just ban all natural substances simply because “oh, well, they MIGHT have poisons in them!” it’s a moot point and a shitty catch-all argument
do you like the FDA fucking you up the ass?

I tried it, a lot of it. did absolutely nothing.

Faggot. Not my point at all. You suck at reading comprehension. You have naturally occurring autism.

It does not show up as an opiate on drug tests. I know it binds to the same receptors though. Honestly weather it is or not is besides the point. Many opiate addicts just cannot get through the wds. This makes life tolerable for them and they can stop doing opiates. It is so so so much cheaper too.

it's safe, natural and cheap. a lot of people are using it to get off prescription pain meds.

You might like white strains or green. I don’t find it very similar to opiates at all. You could always get an oz for ~$5 to try a few times

Wrong

It’s not an opiate you fucking retard. Opiates come from poppy. It’s an atypical opiOID that only effects Mu receptors instead of also the kappa/delta (responsible for respiratory depression). Comparing this to chinese fent problens shows complete and utter ignorance on the subject

>be me and drink ~20 oz Bourbon a day + Beer...
>Opiates don't really affect me...
If I decide to try Kratom to help with not drinking as much I think i'd just end up doing both Kratom and drinking...

any ausbros try this shit? i want to but i think its banned here or something

Don't use this unless you're trying to quit opiates.

Obviously natural things can be both good and bad. The point is the state is more than happy to push synthetics (patentable and profitable) as well as suppressing natural, and often safer, alternatives in order to secure profits of the former
99% of anything you purchase is shoddily made with as many corners cut as possible. If you think a dried leaf supplement is any riskier than any of our food or anything from Put-lead-in-baby-food China you’re wrong

I use it a lot. I don’t see the problem. I used to use opiates a few years back and these two substances are nowhere in the same league. I’d compare it to caffeine vs amphetamine

dumb cunt

Maybe because a fucking plant has the possibility to cut into sales of pills that cost a few hundred bucks each. Same reason shrooms are still schedule 1, but weed is being legalized as it was found to not be quite as effective and often unpleasant to take, in addition to being able to be used casually ala booze and therefore taxed to death.

Shrooms have little to no recreational use for the tax-paying everyman. They're exclusively medicinal. Ditto for kratom. It's exclusively medicinal with little use for recreation by 100-IQ brainlets. Allowing people to access it hurts pharma and nothing else. Pharma would rather you buy generics online without a prescription than eat a plant you can grow in a fishtank for free.

How does kratom compare to tianeptine?

I always drank with it, it never made me feel like not drinking. Don't think it can help much for that but somethin like quiting drinking.
Melatonin can probably help if you just drink to calm down and relax, just dont plan on leaving the house cuz it makes you super drowsy

Fuck you shill faggots, there is hardly and w/d whatsoever, you're a fucking pussy and/or a retard if you can't get off kratom. Kratom w/d shouldn't even be called withdrawal its so fucking mild.

TITRATE DOWN RETARD

>Ditto for kratom. It's exclusively medicinal
It's pretty easy to take enough to get a pretty strong Euphoria. It's for sure usable for recreation.

please make it illegal, that will only drive it's price up.

reading about the faggots trying to make this shit illegal is enough to make anyone cynical.

also-did something new happen or its still the dea wanting the fda to ban it and waiting on a decision or some shit?

you're an idiot who does not have the slightest clue on chemistry, and you are even backed up by other idiots

I take it. Used it to kick alcohol 2 years ago (was an alcoholic for 5 years prior).
It makes it more tolerable to manage a fast food restaurant, but I wish I wasn't reliant on it.

Use it daily and am addicted to it. Helped me quit using pian meds.

You know my favorite thing to do when I'm up shooting coke all night after a 13 hour shift? Mix up a shot after I get situated and put on the album appetite for destruction by guns and roses. It's all about shooting coke all night and coming down with heroin. Fun fact: it was the first cd I ever bought with my own money cause my mom didn't want me listening to "those God damn dirty lyrics." But yeah I mix up a shot and welcome to the jungle has this like Pavlovian effect on my veins getting ready for that first bellringer. If I time juuuust it right, I am in position on the edge of the tub tied up and hit it just as it's so easy breaks down and axl sings "so eeeasyyyyyy, but nothin seems to please me" and then the bellringer hits me when he's like "why don't you just........... Fuck off!!!" And literally every time I say it before him. The pause really fucks with me. Then I'll proceed to peel off my sweat soaked t shirt, light a marlboro and then kneel in front of the toilet for one of my favorite parts of the experience that I've named puke purgatory. Anyone who's hit a bellringer knows what I'm talking about. When you just dry heave until you force out a few drips of bile so you can stand up and mix another one.

>muh heroin

LSD and DMT are also banned and they are helpful for you

Atleast refute this

Green strain. This is a harmless drug. Why the fuck ban it?

Those are gay. Mushrooms are much better.

What strain is best for daytime anxiety?

>mild opioid-receptor agonist
>produces mild sedation or exitability based on dosage
>produces tolerance rapidly
>mild psychological and physical addiction potential
>may have some value in easing opioid withdrawal
>still an opioid so you have to kick eventually
it's meme that junkies latch on to kind of like suboxone (another addictive opioid that people think prevents addiction)

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Weird, people having different opinions.

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It's no where near as strong as suboxone, is harmless physically, has saved tens of thouisands of lives and eased chronic pain for hundreds of thousands of others, what isn't there to like?

Also if you are to label Kratom an opioid because a very small constituent of the herb activates the opioid receptors then you must concede that Cheese is an opioid as well and should be banned because of it's casomorphines that do the same fucking thing.

phenibut. kratom will vary depending on the quality of the batch, hard to say "this strain does x" because each batch of each strain is different. like weed.

>junkie agrees with my post
>junkie then gets bent out of shape
where did I say it should be banned user?

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Yes, I have been taking it for about 7+ years. canopybotanicals.com is the online vendor I use.

I'm following you. Nevermind the faggot junkie. He's either braindead or baiting you. Have a spurdo.

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I like you.
My mum was the same about GnR too.
Went too see them last year in london

Tianeptine is too expensive to use recreationally, builds up a massive tolerance quickly, and can cause liver damage in large doses, good as an anti-depressant though when used properly

You claimed it was an opioid, is cheese an opioid?

I don't see it listed there

There are three basic strains. White, green, and red. There are variations such as gold or yellow. It has to do with how it's cured. Red is a sedating and a little euphoric feel. Green is euphoric and slight energy boost. White is energetic and some euphoria. Yellow and gold is similar to the red strain. Then you have various concoctions and mixes of kratom according to where it's grown. AMA

My mother in law started taking this shit every day after her doctor told her he wasn't refilling her script for pain meds because she was getting addicted to them. I've noticed she's become a bit of a psycho bitch lately. Sure enough, one of Kratom's many potential side effects is psychotic episodes.

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You have to search it as "mitragyna speciosa". Or by the specific name. I personally like the green hulu. You can search it like that as well.

Mushrooms too, but DMT is supreme to all

Why don't all these corporations just invest?

>Pharma, alcohol, and tobacco companies
as american as apple pie, if you don't like it, get the fuck out snowflake

>mild opioid-receptor agonist
it is. kratom contains mitragynine and mitragynine is a selective full agonist of the μ-opioid receptor.
I'm not sure about opioid agonists in cheese but I imagine you'd have to eat a lot to get high. like everything else, the devil is in the dosage

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Yeah I do, but it's not as great as everyone says it is. Fuck the guys trying to ban it though.

Literally all the problems associated with heroin come from a running out of heroin, solution: make heroin available in stores where people don't have to assume potency and accidentally take fentanyl

I hope I get to try it one day.

Green strain. Helps build tolerance for retarded and autistic behavior.

I suggest a red strain.

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Velvet soul

This shit is amazing.
I take it for chronic back pain and it works better than Percocet. The buzz is similar, too.

what vendor do you use?

You fucking morons need to stop self medicating. Be a man and suck it up.

Signed, an ex phenibut/kratom/adderall addict and alcoholic.

Kratom is a true blessing. Don’t listen to all this negativity from people who have never done it. I’ve taken it recreationally for years. I didn’t need it to get off pills, it’s just a much better, safer alternative to get a similar high. And it’s dirt cheap. I’m surprised it hasn’t been banned already, since it’s basically too good to be true.

Is it that good for pain? I'm going to have my tonsils taken out soon and I'm wondering if kratom tea will help me get through it.

Kratom makes you turn gay.

I take it 6 days in a row and 1 day off for knee pain and my pseudotumor pain.. there is no such thing as withdrawals with kratom.. it's an herb.. if you have withdrawals it's mixed with something or your a pussy.. I used to be addicted to oxycotten and decided that shit was dangerous and needed to get clean... Best choice of my life..
I get it from a local smoke shop and I get the brand called Krave mang da strain and it works for me.. some people don't like the red strain..