There seems to be a serious problem in the West with regards to marriage. Nobody is taking marriage seriously anymore, what happened?
For example, this woman talked about in this article just used this guy for her own financial gain. After she got him to pay off her debt, she now wants his house and retirement plan.
Some of you might argue this wasn't her intention, but its still what happened. How can such a thing be allowed?
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what a fucking cuck kek
>nobody is taking marriage seriously anymore
Because it's been turn into a sham. It's a parasitic relationship where the women has complete power over the man. There's a reason it's been dubbed "divorce rape". Men are waking up to the bullshit.
Last GF has 250k in student debt, roughly equivalent to my then net worth in cash and securities. Needless to say, she got dumped at the 3 year mark. This is the only kind of educated woman I seem to date...
Almost every women carries huge debts, either cc or auto or whatever, when you marry the law says its now YOUR debt, dont be a fool anons, make that bitch zero out all debt prior to marriage.
Because marriage is a sham that puts you at risk if you're a man.
remember that women always have a backup plan
it's only a problem if you're a tradcuck
governments won't allow populations to die off... live your own life and stop worrying about things you can't control
yes NOBODY, not one fucking person is taking marriage seriously anymore
not Mormons
not huetterites
not Amish
not Mexicans
definitely no one in Italy
NOBODY
you are a fucking idiot, you know that right?
>autism
If money is the only thing you can offer a woman, then you most definitely should expect to get your wallet raped when she realizes what a worthless waste of oxygen you are
It all comes down to the decision making of the individual and how well you can judge character. Even then it's possible for things to go south quickly, or an incredibly deceptive woman to take for you a fool. Each relationship is different but I'd be willing to bet the obvious warning signs of this woman using him were there and he chose to completely ignore them and pretend everything was alright.
Don't burgers have those marriage contract things where you plan ahead what property belongs to whom before they're on the altar? Why not do one of those? If the woman complains "its not romantic", you have a guaranteed gold-digger in your hands and you should ditch the bitch immediatly.
Agreed. Prenuptial agreements are in place to protect assets and make sure that women can't just marry you for your wealth, because divorcing you quickly after gives them nothing. Women who are unwilling to sign that are 110% golddigging cunts.
>don't you TRUST me? I can't marry somebody I don't TRUST!
Yeah, neither can I actually, but I'd rather have my trust backed by an iron clad contract. A marriage license is an iron clad contract and I have to sign that, I don't know why prenuptial agreements should be any different. You could even paint it as "if you really love me, sign this document. signing it acknowledges that you're 100% just marrying me for love and not because I have money or things you want"
Personally, I didn't get a prenup. My wife and I were both dirt fucking poor when we met, dated, and got married. I don't question why she likes me desu, but she's proven her trustworthiness in countless other ways also.
Here you go don't let MGTOW raid on his video tell you otherwise.
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>problem in the West
Another Kremlin anti-West thread. That makes about 40,000 of these little fuckers this hour.
>what happened?
No fault divorce laws and globalist judges. If we repeal no-fault and do something about the corrupt judges that have been embedded into every state that use their power to destroy men, then marriage might mean something again.
>Nobody is taking marriage seriously anymore, what happened?
The US legalized No Fault Divorce in 1970. Divorce used to be a huge deal, you had to have a valid, legitimate reason to file for divorce - your spouse was abusive, or criminally negligent or something. There was more incentive to try and make a relationship work.
Now there's not. There's basically zero reason, financially or socially, for a woman *not* to divorce her husband if she feels so inclined - women are rarely awarded less than a quarter of a man's income in divorce proceedings, they get full custody of any children in 99% of cases, there's little to no social ostracizing for divorcees anymore, etc.
Start doing this to roasties and see how fast the laws change.
Doesn't help here in Canada that if you are in a relationship lasting more than 5-6 months and you live together / pay taxes under one name, it technically counts as being married and the other person can demand to sue
Shit is crazy
Get her to pay you rent. Even if its only a couple dollars a month president is that she is a subletting roommate and not common law. There is no laws against banging your roommate.
divorce laws
your only option these days is a woman who was raised in a somewhat conservative house hold who takes marriage and motherhood seriously and even then your chances are only somewhat improved
the cat is out of the bag women have turned into compete sociopaths, even my female cousins who I knew were raised in strict Greek Orthodox households I consider to be untrustworthy whores, fuck it all desu
Women don't make money except by extorting men
Marriage is a fucking meme now. Gays can marry, you can be divorce-raped and society sees it as normal, I could go on.
should have made her sign a loan contract, retard
Has to be rent tho, women will try to sneak in the "oh, i'll pay for the hydro and you cover the mortgage/rent" but that doesn't get them into the subletting roommate category.
If divorce proceedings have demonstrated anything the last few decades it's that legal documents mean absolutely nothing when it comes to women.
What's that? You have a prenup agreement? Sorry, you can't prove she didn't sign it under duress. What's that? You agreed to a loan contract? Sorry, you can't enforce it on her. Etc
>Being retarded enough to marry someone
He deserved it.
JUSt go full mgtow
no shit fucko
This. Taking on a woman with debt is just as bad as taking on a woman who already has kids. You're a moron and a cuck if you do either. Protect yourself lads.
Does anyone know about how alimony works in divorce? Is it a decision left up to the judge or is it something calculated on a sliding scale? Because it seems like those student loans could pre will serve as a sort of proactive alimony.
Only a moron would get married in the current year. Artificial wombs will make women obsolete.
And that's a good thing!
Population density is the problem. Women can get away with being whores because there is a near infinite pool of men available in their locality. Women used to be dependent on husbands for their material needs and raising children, now they can just leech off of the most resourceful men and government without any consequences because there are always more people to exploit anyway. There are no dangers from the environment that make them need men, or traditional cultures to keep them in line.
He is fucked. Wont be getting that money back ever. Alimony is usually about maintaining a quality of life for the children involved... That said, even with 50/50 custody a man can still get fucked if the wife makes less than him. You will essentially have to pay her to be able to provide a similar living standing as you so the children don't hate mommy for being a poor sack of shit (happened to my dad even though my mom had a fulltime job making the average Canadian salary; he had to pay cuz he was making almost double her).
Hahaha! Sweet. Cucks, you not shagging them means I am, so do whatever but you'll never get that one elusive virgin that's as shy as you. I swear to God you guys. Just talk to chicks FFS they want to be fucked silly. They live for it.
I need to get to sleep because tomorrow it's hookers night. Possibly Tuesday too if I can't tap. Last week I paid a chick calling herself Tiffany €400. Check out online escorts and save up your pocket money and stop being such utter fucking cuckolds sat shaking at the thought of growling grills.
Fpbp
What a fucking cuck
the thousand cock stare
Not only that, but she secretly wanted to get married anyways. It's just her roastie friends that are filling her potato brain with false ideas of sugar daddies paving the way for her degeneracy.
What happened to me was even worse. I put off my career (software dev) to work at the university so my wife could get her doctorate and teach college. After a semester of her dream teaching job--when it was supposed to be my turn--she filed a restraining order (???) and divorced.
BTW, she was 100% a unicorn, to the point of flirting w/ other girls to rope them into a FFM threesome w/ me.
I've been an alcoholic ever since. I have a software product and that makes me money, but I'm failing my customers due to drunkeness and I'll be living in my car (again, just like after she threw me out) soon.
Don't. Marry.
6'3", fit, talented. I front a popular local band. ready my story ITT.
>everything you know is wrong
Thrown out.
Next.
Lol, what a fucking retard.
My wife and I have separate checking and saving accounts, as well as a shared account for bills and expenses. We each pay a set amount into this each month, and every bill is paid automatically. Got a saving account for our kid as well, where we both transfer a set amount each month.
Kept it going for 10 years now, and there is no problems at all.
Hahaha same here man. One way to avoid the gold digging cunts is to realise, "hey... I don't really have SHIT for any gold digging cunts to take!" Then hell if I have NOTHING to take then sure ill marry without a prenup!
Having lots of assets vs. having practically none and being a poor bastard has different advantages. I KNOW my wife loves me for ME because I am a poor bastard. I make enough to keep us fed and air conditioned in summer, warm in winter, but I don't have any retirement, no home(we do apartments), no savings of any kind. I say I pretty much live the good life. =)
Good. Agreement over finances is one of the biggest sources of conflict in marriage
>dating a nice girl I was really into
>she's working a dead end job but I don't care
>find out how much fucking student loan debt she has for a degree she isn't using
>slow fade and cut contact because I know she'll expect help paying it off
It's like preemptive alimony that you don't even need to be married for.
>It could never happen to me
>My wife and I have separate checking and saving accounts
Wife and I did too. She drained both when the restraining order was executed. Never payback. I only owe her. 8 yrs later. Still paying.
>slow fade and cut contact because I know she'll expect help paying it off
Don't fade. HURT HER. It's what I do.
>Prenuptial agreements
"Your honor, I signed it under duress"
Enjoy you prenup going into the garbage bin.(Unless you recorded her saying "I sing this prenup on my own will" etc)
>jew gets outjewed
/ourgirll/
>giving her access to your accounts
You played yourself m8.
the straight men are the most stupid humans in the planet. still thinking that out there are good women, when all of them were contaminated by feminism. you are not more than a Bank account for them. straight men, stop being a bunch of pussys and take the power of the world again
If this happened to me:
>put sedative in her wine
>wait for it to kick in
>chain her hands and feet to the bed
>wait for her to regain full consiousness
>call 911. need ambulance
>cut open abdomen and remove uterus
>force her to eat it
>cut off tongue and pull out all her teeth
>melt eyes with blowtorch
>apply tornequette and cut off hands and feet with angle grinder
>ambulance arrives
>she is rushed to the ICU
>I am taken into custody.
>despite her injuries, she is expected to live
>I'm sentenced to death and am labled as a monster
>mfw she can have the house and my retirement savings
hot
High risk, low reward
I try to only expend as much effort as necessary to protect myself and my interests, I don't have the time or energy for spite anymore. She got herself into a hole, that sucks, I sympathize to degree, but it's not my responsibility to pay off tens of thousands of dollars of debt I never personally accrued. The sticker price for the average woman's time is reaching absurd levels, someone who makes a modest living pretty much has to make a choice between a down payment for a decent house or alleviating the financial woes of a companion who might just get bored and leave you. And almost all women carry that baggage, they're going to college in record numbers and very few are actually getting lucrative careers out of it.
Wow that is sometimes an argument in the expungement of prenuptial agreements, Most states have developed presidents based on timing of when the agreement was signed relative to the wedding. I think it's somewhere around 2 weeks within the date of the wedding. If the prenup is signed within two weeks of the wedding it can be argued that it was signed under duress.
What you need to do is take away the ability of either partner to get a pay day from divorce. But that would be to harsh for our basedboy society. It would also solve a lot of bullshit where the female (usually) just wants to use the male for money.
>He doesn’t know that if she has a lawyer present when she signs then it is by law NOT under duress.
You can get a legit prenup not sure why Jow Forums harps on this meme
Calm down McAfee
He helped her because he wanted to. She doesn't owe him anything. What did he expect? That because he paid her loans she is now an eternal slave to him? Of course not. It was charity, period. If he wants her to be his slave because of it, that's his problem, not hers. Men are fucking stupid, evil and entitled. Dear God. That's why women should never accept their help. They think that if they do anything to you, you are now his rightful slave. Fuck you. FUCK YOU.
Well, we've since had kids and own a house and all of that, but she's put in the effort for these things as you would expect a wife to do, but you can't sign a prenuptial agreement to say that future purchases once you're married will be divided up X way. That would never hold up, so sure if she leaves now she'll take half of what we built together, but she's not going to do that anyway because she was never in it for the money and things.
>Some of you might argue this wasn't her intention
Nobody in their right mind would argue that. Just look at that fucking guy.
Women abuse the system because they realize it caters to them. Change the system, change the culture. It really is that easy.
Serves you right for choosing a cuck career like software engineering.. might as well become a plumber
I don't date sociopathic whores so odds are pretty low actually
>definitely no one in Italy
Redpill me on Italy
Spoken like a true roastie. If women created language there would be no words for loyalty or honor.
numerical figures of honesty.
feeling sleepy tho..
time to nap...
"helped by my salary being being three times that of my wife"
This is hardly grammatically correct.
>Last week I paid a chick
stopped reading there
Canada is like a loft apartment above a kick ass party.
Reading all of this, i'm glad women don't want me and i just decided to stay a virgin for the rest of my life.
Not like i have any chance of getting laid anyway, thought.
No, that's Alaska. Canada is like the building next door.
no one ever did, most dudes had mistresses and their wives went out all the time to fuck rich famous dudes
imagine being that goodlooking
>what happened?
simply feminism and the hookup culture.
a poem...
rotting trash with your saggy ass
my bank account and harem grows
your roast beef snatch is gross
thank you
*jazzhands*
That sucks. My wife had no debt when we married, and all we have now is a little cc debt we pay that's used for business expenses. If you want a great relationship, start your business with your wife. I now look at other guys in their "honey I'm home" 9-5 job relationships and see them as shallow and a bit absurd. I don't know if most men are two weakminded to start a business, too pussy, or what, but starting a business with your wife is fucking awesome.
I cant wait to get married to my best bro and use the atrifical womb tech so the two of us can have white sons together
It's never their "intention" it just happens every single time.
Yeah no excuse. Knew the rules.
How much do you charge for an hour of her time?
Shit like this is why I became an accelerationist. Now all I dream about is nuclear holocaust to wipe this blight off the face of the earth.
This is not a modern phenomenon. The roots of this go back hundreds of years. The whole English Common Law system is rotten to the core. All of the most onerous, burdensome and oppressive policies have their roots in English common law.
So even if we could revert back to, say the 1930's, we'd still end up right back in the situation we find ourselves in today. It would just be like rewinding a tape and playing it forward it again.
100% shill post.
This is (((their))) message
You need a good woman.
If she knew you or your family would hunt her down and kill her then she wouldnt pull that marriage for money shit. This is the difference between east and west. Western men bend over and take it up the ass. Whats stopping this guy from blowing all the money canceling his super and suing the bitch for her half. And then even after that being a huge pain in the arse. These guys are in deed onions boys and thats what they get.
You mean three seconds?
I feel like it would be even better if you started it completely on your own. I don't see how adding your wide into the equation adds value to it.
Me personally, I've seen both sides of the coin and would prefer the 9-5 because owning your own business can be all consuming and the work tends to never end.
Correction: no one takes sex seriously anymore.
Women are whores, and men are addicted to porn.
Men do not have clean hands in this. They let this happen. They let women have the right to vote and work. What did they expect?
How about you stop being a fucking degenerate playing grown-up and you wouldn't have this issue..
Unless you've both worked a 9-5 as a married man and gone into business with your wife, you haven't seen both sides of the coin. I've done both.
If you don't see how your wife can add value to your business then you either married poorly or you are incompetent at managing talent.
Anyone who's willing to argue - and honestly believes - that a tepid "honey I'm home" relationship is preferable to the deep bond that forms within the crucible of business building is profoundly deluded. Most likely they are deluding themselves because they aren't comfortable with introspection.
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>nothin personnel wife
Wrong you don't want the wife as a business partner. When men do this they put the wife as 51% owner to get all the DBE(benefits for being not white male) and all sorts of shit. When she is really a glorified secretary. She will slowly start working less and less. The man will still work the same hours. She will find a hobby to occupy her time when she would have been working. At that hobby she will find a chad.
Then she will divorce rape you and fuck your company up.
t. son of a father who had this happen.