/lefty/ general

How will you achieve a moneyless society, or how will you get rid of currency any leftist intellectuals comments on that?

What country you in bud if you don't mind me asking?

>inb4 hello gomrades

Then I will resist the oppressors.

The land of Corbyn.

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>country
Break your chains comrade

Under capitalism, everything is rendered into a commodity, something to be exchanged on the market for a profit.

Any attempt to change society at a fundamental level by necessity be anti-capitalist, lest it be subordinated to the machinations of the market and the interests of capital.

And the only means to oppose capital is through an organization of the working class, the only class who's interests are diametrically opposed to capital while simultaneously presupposing industrial civilization and the progressive gains of capitalism.

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labour vouchers in a planned economy during socialism and then abolition of the commodity form further into the future

I see, nice. What happen over there? I don't understand the way government works in Corbyn land, he didn't win but still won? Something like that?

Fuck off ANTIFA scum. You aren't welcome on Jow Forums. Go cause mass starvation and environmental destruction elsewhere

9. Under communism - all work in the Gulag for workdays on 24/7.
On the contrary, the Communists set their task to reduce the number of working hours, by increasing the productivity of labor. Ideally, we should work for 4 hours in fully automated production, the remaining time dedicated to self-development, art, hobby.

10. But wait! This is a capitalistic post-industrial one!
You are deeply mistaken my young friend. This is precisely communism. And under capitalism you will not get it. Communism is the highest stage of development of society and economy and if capitalism is similar to what I described above, then it turns into communism.

You're right.

Isn't is past your bedtime /leftypol/?

Their on the other hemisphere from us. They should be at work.

lel..

>communism
lads, its communism

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Can I be a NEET under communism?

"Muh...muh Communism works, so everything should be free"

Wrong you fucking Pinko. No matter what, an overbearing government cannot place its own value, on goods and services; because the value of something is decided by the person providing the goods and services.

For example. Steve took 100 hours of his time to create a statue. Steve wants 100 dollars for the statue, as each hour was worth 1 dollar of his personal time. In your delusional commie land, you believe Steve is to have his statue taken from him, and be given a measely piece of cheese and bread.

Fuck off to Huffpost

He's winning enough seats to remain leader of labour, but not enough to become PM. He's moving closer and closer everyday though. At the moment he's focusing on appealing to students, once he wins though, the real "red" pills will kick in.

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Dont forget to sage brother.

Sage.

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no.

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So why do commies starve and corruption reign in commielands?

Sage this piece of shit HuffPost troll thread.

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>got so butthurt about everyone shitting up his pinko threads he re-branded into """"lefty"""" threads

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There's no point then

Do you really think Soviet style socialism can work?

When are elections over? And so if Labour gains enough seats in "congress" I don't know what you guys call it. Then they chose the new PM?

Slavery is the point. These fucks want to be cattle, worse yet they want you to be cattle with them.

Didn't see Vladimir do much work. Also, isn't that John Smith's quote? Fuck, they steal everything don't they?

>can work
I think you mean has worked. And yes, it has.

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>Communist
>Work
Cmon lad you know better.

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Thinking has never been your average communigger's strong suit.

Sage shit thread

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How come no one did it yet?

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim gib gib gib! DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gomfug
gommies.gomstarve

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here
gommies.gomohfugme

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources
gommies.gomohshid
gommies.gom1984
gommies.gomguck
gommies.gomprobaganda
gommies.gomXDDDD
gommies.gomwheresfood
gommies.gombenis

-----------------------------------------
Da sdages of gommunism.

Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>leading a revolution and creating the first socialist country is not work
I'm quite skeptical about various elements of communism and socialism, but it's really funny when you realize most of their modern critics are spouting utter bullshit, misconstructions, exaggerations and outright lies.

...

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

-----------------------------------------
Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism, move to nexd gountry :DDDDDDD

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So a currency based of labour? What about international trade?
What does commodity form mean?

right wing snek squads FTW

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Which one of them? There was several different economic systems from 1917 to 1991.

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Your imagination doesn't count, Comrade Cocksmoker.

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>"Soviet Style"
>"socialism"
>"Can work"

Pick one you delusional faggot. Also name a single place where any has worked?

There were local elections a few days ago for local councillors, basically people who run the local area rather than represent you in parliament. it's not really to do with becoming prime minister but it's a good test of popularity among the electorate. It was a pretty disappointing night for Labour, they made a few gains but not enough to be spectacular or indicate they're going to win. The next parliamentary election should be about 2022, the leader of the party with the most seats becomes prime minister.

Well, China basically turned Fascist so there is that?

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In some countries it worked partially, but in the end it collapsed, and roots of the collapse can be spotted in the early period.
>Cuba
How did it work? You might want to check Cuba during Batista period, it was on of the best American countries. No doubt there were issues and shit, but it wasn't that bad.
Castros didn't do much in the several decades of their reign. Stuff like healthcare is comendable, but so many Cubans live in poverty.

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Cuba, USSR, etc.

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>Re-enters your country with the help of (((jewish))) friends to start a revolution based around the works of a (((Jewish))) "man".
Nice spook.

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So the people don't vote for PM but for the people who will choose who will be the PM?

China is basically NatSoc now. So i guess NatSoc counts as socialism???

And under (((communism))), all true labor is exploited by useless, disposable manufacturers: a society which has no means of proper compensation, for those who have strenuously educated themselves, is a society which favors the parasites over the aristocracy. Anyone who believes useless blacks and Mexicans, who generally work in low-skill labor, should be granted similar treatment to physicians and scientists should be hanged.

Ignoring NEP and Gorbachev era it was mostly the same system with minor and rather unsuccsesful reforms.
>cmmnism is jooish but BASED Pinochet directed by CIA and Jewish economists was BASED

Wtf is that shockwave?

When Marx says that labour certificates are no more money than a theatre
ticket we can draw certain implications:
(1) The certificates do not circulate; they can only be directly exchanged
against consumer goods.

(2) Like many tickets they would be non-transferable. Only the person who
had performed the labour could use them.
(3) They would be cancelled after a single use, just as a theatre ticket is
destroyed on entry to the theatre. When individuals withdrew goods
from a shop their vouchers would be cancelled. The shop, as a communal
organisation, has no need to buy in goods, it is just allocated them, so its
only interest in the labour vouchers is for record-keeping purposes.
(4) They would not serve as a store of value. They could have a ‘use by’ date
on them. Unless individuals redeemed their share of this year’s output
by the end of the year, it would be assumed that they did not want it.
If labour tokens are not spent then the goods that embodied the labour
would not be used. Many goods are perishable and they would have to be
disposed of somehow.
Nowadays one need not think in terms of paper certificates of work done.
Instead we can envisage the use of some form of labour credit card which keeps
track of how much work you have done.

Taken from "Towards a New Socialism" W. P. Cockshott

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>USSR
Where have you been for the last 27 years, Comrade Cumguzzler?

>USSR
You mean the one that died 27 years ago?
>Cuba
You mean the one that's privatizing more companies, with talks of implementing a stock market?

Why don't leftists stop wanting me to pay more taxes and go make something of themselves, instead of wanting to force others to do it for them?

Germany funded the revolution and sent him on his way via train in hopes Vlad would win so he would in turn close the eastern front. During World War One of course.

Are you aware that the worst (((people))) on earth made your ideology?

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Apropos of nothing in particular, when was the last time you showered?

>should be granted similar treatment

Nice phatasies. Basic need is granted for all of them but scientist or engineer had more money than low-qualified worker during socialism times. Today during capitalism times we have no places for many scientists or engineers so most of them will work for penniless salary.

They don't choose the PM (unless there is a leadership election in which case only members of the party get to vote. Technically, Corbyn could become PM and the party could vote for a new leader to become PM instead of him. But that's unlikely.) The leader of the largest party is the person who becomes PM. You're voting for a person to represent you in parliament, but most of the time you are just voting for who you'd like to lead the country. But there is not vote in Parliament about who becomes PM.

Im pretty far-left myself, but I always cringe at leftypol. I'll be the first to admit it that the left can't meme.

The attractiveness of right wing memes precisely lies in the fact that they are really politically incorrect - that any decent person shouldn't laugh at them, thus making them a kind of a forbidden fruit. The "leftypol" crowds instead of preserving their dignity go and try to emulate right wing meming methods -- but without the subversive edge because they try too hard to be all encompassing without offending the wrong people. Thus left memes are like coffee without caffeine.

As for capitalist porky, the meme looks forced because it functions to much as "politically correct" replica of the antisemitic trope of the jew. Relying on a archaic depiction of a 19.century fat capitalist where nowadays capitalists are hip young men in armani suits.

But still what does make lefties think that you cannot be both; a racist and a a anti-capitalist at the same time. Where I live there are genuine GDR nostalgics, mostly ex-stasi and military members who blame capitalism for degeneracy, race mixing and multiculturalism.

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heresy

It was a release of Ki from the powerful attack. Never seen anime?

Sounds sketchy. You guys should try to change that.

>marxists.org
>marxist.com

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>leftism isn't edgy
>communism killed hundreds of millions of innocent kulaks
Which is it Jow Forums?
youtube.com/watch?v=P8Cazq1XQ-4

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I know a library is scary to you

Imblying the US kibkes didn't helped gommunists.
wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html

>Jow Forums gets scared of reading
colour me surprised

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Probably meant that it's socially acceptable to be a commie rat, nimrod.

>be commie
>die

>we have no places for scientists or engineers
LOL so is that why wages are increasing year-over-year, and why there's more demand for scientists than ever? And no, scientists and physicians in the USSR actually made LESS than the general public; so much so, that they illegally took private compensation. Same story with Cuba, except they're working out of state.

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How would you make sure they're not used as a currency, also curiosity question will baking my own bread be considered owning a means of production?

You have no clue. Every media organisation, every government, every political party is run by porky. It's us against the world, and the tide is turning. Just go outside, class consciousness is arising, the proletariat is waking up. Communism is unstoppable.

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>Ann Coulter
>Lauern Southern
>Art of The Deal
Fucking hell, no knowledge gained from that shelf.

Recently saw this, I'm looking for that book called "The God That Failed" anybody read it? I figure it would be good to understand phony socialists.
youtu.be/3gS6g41m_NU

Not everything that is written is worth reading, especially proselytizing garbage like that from other cults like Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists.

The Jew from (((Asanuma))) being sent to the shadow realm where it belongs

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So are you 2 gonna fuck already?