Is this political suicide?

Your country is doomed. Come to Europe.

They use the terminology of the progressive left, they're indoctrinated in the ideology of Social Justice. HuffPo SA rarely does anything but shit on whites, our politicians talk of white privilege like SJW tumblrinas with access to machine guns. Cultural Marxism is the language used to expressive anti-white sentiment.

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At the moment I personally don't know.

Awe!
Sterkte daar in Amerika.

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never forget this. traitors get the bullet first.

There needs to be an explicitly white party. I'm guessing that's illegal though. Even implicity white is probably illegal.

contact jan lamprecht

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Thanks but that doesn't quiet sit right with me tho.
Someone post that Saffa quote about staying and fighting for his land and culture and not running away.
Keep fighting the good fight up there tho Brit-user don't let George Orwell's book become a prophesy, and don't let your culture get wiped out by the Islamic death cult.

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There kinda are but they are so radical that they kinda fuck themselves over for the normie/majority vote. But like the other Saffa user said, maybe this latest kaffer fuck up will swell their ranks.

Checked again.

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I care more about the radicals being infiltrated by National Intelligence than I do about their politics.

Not really what they need is someone that will calm down the relationship between blacks and whites. A pro-white will just destroy them further.

The time for fighting was decades and centuries ago. You already failed to fight and allowed this to happen.

Get the smell of Paki semen off your breath from eating your gf's pussy then come talk to me about fighting

Pakistanis and blacks are 6% of our population. Blacks are 93% of yours.

And your time to fight has come, and you too are allowing it to happen. Evil comes in the form of good intentions Britbong, we had those too and sufferd for it as you are, and will continue to if you if you don't put the tea down, pull up your pants, and fight.

Unless you just wanna roll over like you're suggesting we do.

Both are exponentially increasing in number
We'll soon be in Lebanon and SA's position if we don't bring the govt and home office to heel

The only hope for whites is to organize as a unified political block. There doesn't need to be Nazi iconography, or Roman salutes for that to happen. Whites need a unified political bloc from which to negotiate a separation and territorial sovereignty. Anything less than that and whites will simply be picked off individually by ever tightening official harassment and marginalization until the final blow is easily struck. You have to huddle as a political bloc so that if the blacks want to wipe you out, they'll have to go full-Rwanda. Make it easier for them to simply give you a partition. It's the best you can hope for at this point. The country will never return to "normal".

>someone that will calm down the relationship between blacks and whites
Wishful thinking and/or naiveté . Mandela is dead. There is ZERO incentive for any black leader to calm down the situation, and the blacks won't listen to a white. It would be nice to chill everyone out, but it's not possible. Racial/tribal competition is a fact of human existence, and it's playing out in SA. There's no fancy political theory or rhetoric you can use to change it. It's going to play out according to the historically normal arch of human conflict. Again, the country will never return to "normal".

Whites and white politicians here don't defend their daughters rapists. I'd rather die by the hand of my historic enemies here than move there and watch people of my own blood condone the rape and death of my people. You know, like your people did here too when they armed and funded our murderers for decades, anglos funding zulus to murder fellow anglos. You sure do have the moral highground

Also heard malema is getting sworn into the pan African parliament. Good God. I'm so sorry you guys.

The rapes in your country in some areas are comparable to the number of rapes of white women here in some areas, don't underestimate how bad things are there.

I don't see how whites don't have a separatist movement. Its a good solution. "Hey man, this isn't working so well just fuck off to the cape, and you do you".

Sound advise, but there are a lot of things that we should do and should have done. It would be nice to have a seperate territory for ourselves, a South Africa/ Rhodesia 2.0 where we can apply lessons learned for a better outcome.

Don't know much about Ukraine but I'm glad to see the internet's reach is still far, Good luck up there boet!

Don't worry. The same thing that happened to you, losing your country, will happen to British people and the other Western European people. We have the same weak genetics that are naturally submissive.

All my thought from france
Fight the kaffir

Found the Jew

Question: Would you trade your blacks for our muslims?

Meh, the DA has been adopting this rhetoric for a while now to appeal to blacks. As a coloured, I've already lost hope in our political system. I'll still vote DA in the next election, since I don't see any other alternative. The only other party I could vote for is the FF+ and I would only vote for them if the DA went full pro-black or Marxist.

>FF+
A White/Coloured alliance in the Cape is probably the only viable political resistance to the rising Afro-Marxism. In the long run, it could still spell doom for the whites, but the issue of white-colored relations can be dealt with later. I think someone needs to push an official platform to cede Northern Cape and Western Cape to the Whites and Colourds. The blacks could even keep their expropriation without compensation in the remaining territories as a concession, and the then homeless white would be resettled in the Capes. Any white who still believed in a unified SA that will offer a future for whites is delusional.

How do you feel about cooperation with whites in an inpendence movement?

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nm, I only knew FF as VF, forget I asked.

Depends.
Will it be like?
We take all your Muslims and you take all our blacks
Or
Will our blacks just spontaneously change race and ideology and your muslims the same?

If its the former then maybe, but the latter then no. If all our blacks suddenly turned into Islamic muslims we would immediately get aloha snack-bared over night due to the population difference (the saving grace of Britain) rather than the slow boil we find ourselves in now.

>A White/Coloured alliance in the Cape is probably the only viable political resistance to the rising Afro-Marxism.
I agree, but the only way to do that would be through a war of independence. The ANC would never allow an independent cape and doing so would require 75% of the NA to support it.

Whites and coloureds need each other. The only long term measure to ensure our survival in this country is to cooperate. The cape belongs to us, the Bantu have no claim to it.

Are there any good ZA podcasts by saffers from the Jow Forums perspective?

I thought it was in your Constitution that whites could separate like memerania

ooga booga
t. everyone trying to discuss SA politics that isn't advocating for race war nao

absolutely not, our blacks know their place for the most part, and you can always whip them into shape.

You've completely pampered your muzzies and now they won't be able to survive out in the wild

I couldn't agree more, we do need eachother. If we had adequate cooperation and unity between our people, I don't believe it'd have to come to a war. If there's a significant number of us trying to secede I could see us getting enough international support to meme an independent state into existence. If it does come to conflict, then so be it, independence is our only hope of survival

Lmao no. There is no such thing. Orania were only allowed to do so because it's an insignificant little town that no one cares about. The Western Cape and Cape town in particular is fat too valuable for the ANC to ever willingly give it independence.

Some amount of armed conflict is probably inevitable if there is to be an independent Cape. Do you think the national government has the military capability of quickly controlling all of the Northern and Western Cape if the people rise up? What would the majority of Coloureds do?

i mean... fine if you are gonna genocide part of your population can you just not have the audacity to claim they have privilege? Lol really now

>expecting non-Whites to act in White's interests
The most precious thing in the world is your own people.

>Our blacks know their place for the most part
Maybe the older generation, the young ones are far more radical.

Perhaps we could do it if we had enough international support. But I wouldn't bet on it. A war is far more likely. And with the way Malema and his ilk are agitating and invading land every other week, it appears to be becoming more likely every day.

What good will an implicitly White party do for them when they're 8% of the population?
Westerners need to wake the fuck up. People are expecting Sweden to be the canary in the coal mine when it's South Africa. If you become a minority, you lose control of your destiny and will be exterminated.

>Do you think the national government has the military capability of quickly controlling all of the Northern and Western Cape if the people rise up? What would the majority of Coloureds do?

Depends, a well armed militia could probably cripple the army and defend the northern and western cape. Our military has been neutered since 94, so it could be done. I can't really speak for all coloureds since we aren't a uniform group. I would guess that the vast majority would rather fight with whites. But there are those coloureds who have fallen for the Marxist propaganda who may side with blacks.

It's funny, they claim all of their oppressive policies are for equalities sake, and they're not racist. But if whites could, by some scientific miracle, out breed blacks, there would be an overt, violent attempt to cull the herd.

Not so much in the interest of my people but in the interest of his own political party, but yeah guess at the end of the day Nigs gunna Nog

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If the US doesn't want China to have a naval base in Capetown, they better give weapons to the whites and coloureds.

With the help of Coloureds, they would have a coherent territory from which to agitate for separation. The blacks want to control everything, but the world probably isn't going to allow them to outright genocide the whites. The whites need to leverage their lives, and the unacceptable level of carnage required for their elimination to force the only other alternative, which is separation.

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>TFW Rhodesia will rise again

>It's funny, they claim all of their oppressive policies are for equalities sake, and they're not racist.

That's bullshit. Our government departments have been told to only hire blacks. Private companies lose business and contracts if they don't hire blacks. Universities get into shit if the majority of their staff and students aren't black. There is no equality here.

We would love to breed like them but we are taxed to death. Hell I don't have any kids but I'm paying for like 5 lil stoep kakkers in the nearby shanty town. Otherwise it would be like the apartheid era were having 4-6 kids was the norm.

If the US didn't want a Chinese naval base in Cape Town it wouldn't have conspired with the Soviets to destroy South Africa (and Rhodesia)

>but the world probably isn't going to allow them to outright genocide the whites
This is incredibly naive. "the world" doesn't give a shit, and the ones who initiated the chain of events that led to where South Africa is today control the West and are doing the same thing to us.
>With the help of Coloureds, they would have a coherent territory from which to agitate for separation
I'd argue it depends on what would benefit the Chinese or Indians the most. Would they be fine with the country being split in two?

>If the US doesn't want China to have a naval base in Capetown, they better give
weapons to the whites and coloureds.

The US doesn't give a fuck about us. They are more than happy to sell us down the river if it suits them. Also, the ANC has been bussing blacks into the western cape by the thousands since '94, our window is already beginning to close

>but the world probably isn't going to allow them to outright genocide the whites
Who do you think armed them? Who do you think funds them? South Africa is in the top ten recipients of American foreign aid, last year Trump gave the ANC $300 million. No one gives a shit if we die. But if we united with coloureds we could skirt the whole white ethno-state issue because we'd appear multicultural, but at the same time we both self segregrate in our own neighborhoods and just want self government, so we'd have the numbers to defacto be an ethnostate for both parties.

America didn't need to conspire with the soviets, it did more to collapse this country than anywhere else.
>The disinvestment campaign, after being realized in federal legislation enacted in 1986 by the United States, is credited by some[2] as pressuring the South African Government to embark on negotiations ultimately leading to the dismantling of the Apartheid system

>The Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986[1] was a law enacted by the United States Congress

>Title III — Measures By The United States To Undermine Apartheid
Sec. 301. Prohibition on the importation of krugerrands
Sec. 302. Prohibition on the importation of military articles
Sec. 303. Prohibition on the importation of products from parastatal organizations
Sec. 304. Prohibition on computer exports to South Africa
Sec. 305. Prohibition on loans to the Government of South Africa
Sec. 306. Prohibition on air transportation with South Africa
Sec. 307. Prohibitions on nuclear trade with South Africa
Sec. 308. Government of South Africa bank accounts
Sec. 309. Prohibition on importation of uranium and coal from South Africa
Sec. 310. Prohibition on new investment in South Africa
Sec. 311. Termination of certain provisions
Sec. 312. Policy toward violence or terrorism
>Title IV — Multilateral Measures To Undermine Apartheid

We unironically need a God-loving party that follows natural laws. Would instantly get my vote.

I'm not going to argue that anyone gives a shit about the whites. Believe me, I'm not suggesting that. But if it came to the point that whites were being hunted down by the 10's of thousands in mass slaughters, NOT in a slow burn, but in DAILY mass killings all over the country, there would be an international response, even if only a token one. There would at least be some sanctions and *deep concern intensifying*, and if whites/coloureds chose to fight back at that point, I think there would be a complicated global media narrative with many competing sides.

The west wouldn't do anything to stop the situation, but the weeks of posturing, virtue signaling, and arguing in the international press that would follow might give the Cape enough time and cover to take their chance at armed secession.
>we'd appear multicultural
Indeed. If you were able to secure a military victory, the west would probably be willing to accept the pretty little white/brown photo op and push for a peace accord.

>there would be an international response
From who though? Most countries are irrelevant, such an event may be in the best interest of the Chinese who want all of the resources, and the West is in the process of experiencing the exact same thing in the near future.
I think the most you would see is a waving of the hand.
>it's awful what's happening but it's justified because muh apartheid

I know. Still doesn't change the fact we were working with fucking commies to destroy the country. I'm not religious but God's retribution will be unpleasant to say the least.

checked

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It was for domestic virtue signaling. For the Americans, South Africa symbolized their own past and to them it was like attacking their own mental image of the dead and gone "villains" of their own past. They used South Africa as a sacrificial offing to ease their sense of guilt.

Either way. The best I'd hope for from the west is a narrative cover that doesn't paint us as the bad guys. Anything else, would have to be paid for by our own blood, sweat and tears.

That's how it was sold to the American public and western world at large. Behind the scenes it's clear there was an organised effort to collapse this country by certain (((subversive))) elements, both here and abroad

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>Anything else, would have to be paid for by our own blood, sweat and tears.
I'm game, we have nothing but blood, sweat and tears around here, we may as well build a country out of it

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Everyone needs to vote VF+, hopefully this will drive more whites to it.

whites and coloreds alliance party when

white leader + colored female co-leader

>I hope more coloured are aware of how much they need us after the recent skirmishes.
We dont need you. We have more guns.

you guys can come here if you want
we have a pretty big white South African population in NZ (for some reason) so you will feel right at home
except without niggers, so i guess not quiet at home but w/e

You need each other

No. They sold us out once before....

We need eachother for the numbers, good luck carrying that grudge, i'm sure it'll serve you well in your fights with the bantu.

>meme flag
Probably not even a South African.
>Split the 16 million strong resistance into 8 million Whites and 8 million Coloureds each trying to resist 40 million blacks alone.
You're probably a Jew or a nigger.

>muh guns
Having a 70 IQ negates EVERYTHING that would normally be a disadvantage.
Id gladly take those odds.

16 million?! I wish, there are about 4.6 million whites and about 4.8 million coloured, together we don't make ten million.

Coloureds average around 85

Sorry, I was thinking %

Sorry boet. Its not a grudge but your shitty reputation when it comes to selling people out. Remember the black Portuguese from Angola that fought on our side in the Angolan war? You left them in Pomfret next to a disused asbestos mine. Then you allowed the ANC to throw them into the townships to be killed by the local blacks as revenge.

Remember we did not get a homeland either under apartheid. You told us (Chris Heunis) to go and ask his grand children to come.

Why would any of us side with you?

>claim that the party is not diverse enough and needs to change in order to not look racist, come to such a conclusion.

The existence of actual whites is irrelevant, just like an existence of an actual worker is irrelevant to a commie. It i just a construct they use to push their academic dogma.
If every single white person was gone from this world, leftists would just use the concept of 'whiteness' to target some other group. Japanese are already considered to be honorary whites (ironic isn't it) in the progressive circles. It is because leftism wasn't made up to make anything better for anyone, not now, not in the past, and certainly not in the future, it is a system designed to tear everything down, so that few elites can control all of those few precious things that they still don't.

Well that is what you need in conflict now dont you.

I didn't do a fucking thing, fuck off. The fact of the matter is, if we don't cooperate with eachother we both will continue to face oppression and neither of us have a future in this system. Love white people, hate them, I don't give a shit. I'm not here to convince you, it's just glaringly evident if we don't find common cause we're both fucked. Make your own choice.

The DA has always been Jewish. What dont you understand?

>we're both fucked.
No, you are fucked not us.

I read a headline today saying something along the lines of the white portion of the DA are polarizing themselves or something, I can't find the newspaper online and im not going back to the shops today.

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why did he marry a white woman if he hates white people so much?

Sure you aren't , enjoy the 52 murders and 113 rapes a day, i'm sure that won't get worse. Have fun when we aren't in a position to pay 80% of taxes and provide most of the food. Like I said, I don't give a shit how you feel, I know enough coloureds irl that are sick of this place and want out with us. You shouldn't be asking me why you should be on my side, you should be asking why they're pushing unity with us harder than we are when we're the ones that are fucked.

Because he hates white men so much.

I hate niggers too but would never consider marrying a female nigger just to annoy male niggers

Aka any chance of saving Afrikaners is gone

thats almost retarded. Anything under 80 is a disability.

It doesn't work in reverse. There's no demographic threat to the black race through miscegenation--they breed too fast.