Hey Jow Forums do safe spaces for drug use really work?

wow a quality post on Jow Forums. im shocked

Normally they do not. Who knows at this day and age but I doubt it given the drugs are expensive. They'll just supply needles.

These programs ought to at a minimum obligate the druggie to have counsel and mentorship of someone trying to get them to quit the habit. Not just "hey buddy cmon in here's free needles"

Did... did they not watch The Wire?

drug use is one of the few things I have a liberal opinion on.

>Not tainting all the needles with poison and killing the degenerates in one swoop.

>regulated, managed
you mean the government becoming the dealer instead of random guys?

Probably just giving them the needles. If they want to spend money on something they could spend money on getting these people rehab instead of this dumb shit.

Someone will always do something. There's never 100%. But you need to strike fear into them many will just drop it then. Also it will extremely increase the price for drugs so the normal pleb won't be able to afford it even when he's sucking 3 cocks at once.

>Get help
There is no helping a heroin addict. That's the one thing I think many people don't understand is that there is little hope for these people who have been using for more than a year.

Yes, legalize heroin, meth, crack and every drug. We'll say it's okay, it happens! These are drugs that need to be prohibited and having people potentially skip gateway drugs is incredibly dangerous.

These things need to die.

Yes. that way purity is ensured, a maximum amount could be established to be dispensed within a certain time frame and safety advice can be provided all in one place. Sure you may get some people who will go back to traditional dealers if they get cut off from a regulated dispensary but I don't think it will be many not when they know they can get a superior product of guaranteed purity, they just have to wait for it.

>Safe injection sites
I think the Germans can help building some appropriate chambers for that.

>literally opium war tactics
This is outrageous.

Now how is that any different than the current problem with prescription opiods?

Don't you think normal plebs who are intent on getting drugs will just turn to more elusive crimes, you think they are just going to give up because the price goes up? And it may not increase the price as much as you think, if dealers know they are going to be pricing out their customers they may be willing to take the additional risk with minimal price increases. the higher the price the less customers, the less customers the less return business, it wouldn't be in their best interest to price people out of buying their product.

Was a junkie for 4-5 years. Been clean for almost 2 and have my own house and started my own business. Get rekt

Nothing but that whole "i got prescribed oxys and now im a needle junkie" shit is absolute bullshit. I know alot of junkies and every fucking one of them started doing pills because tbey wanted to get fucked up. Dosent make a difference man

that means if you had stayed clean you'd have a bigger house and be a CEO
the damage is done

But you are never going to be able to prohibit them 100%, as society grows larger and larger, cities grow bigger and bigger, the larger the net becomes to slip through. So what you are proposing by keeping them illegal is to constantly throw cash into a bottomless pit that could be better spent on educating drug users, dispensing safety information, acknowledging that humans have been experimenting with various forms of altering consciousness for many thousands of years and providing people with a product that is the safest it can possibly be.

Also just because you personally don't want to take drugs doesn't mean you have the right to tell others they shouldn't also, it makes you no better the vegans thinking you're better than everyone else and you should be able to dictate to others what they do or don't put in their bodies. I don't eat fast food but I don't get ass mad about other people enjoying it, it is what it is, some people like things you don't and you're going to have to live with that because it's never going to chance.

>started my own business
so you're the dealer now?

Hamsterdam was working till they killed it.

lots of spelling mistakes there.

im not on drugs i swear

my uncle is an heroin addict since 20+ years. When he uses Heroin, he is fucked up and can't work. Methadon no really works for him, because the dose he was using was growing all the time. Since switching to Supatex, he can work full time and he's a functional member of the society again. For some junkies, some treatments actually work.

I find this hard to believe and don't get me wrong there are those select few but even if what your saying is true user you'd know just how improbable it is for someone to get clean. 2/10 bait post
Show track marks if you legit

Thats why we need right wing death squads that openly roam the streets killing everyone that is in possession of a drug

Frankfurt tried this. Deaths related to drugs collapsed (it's practically 0 now?) however the city is a shithole

No, but obviously the dealers know where these places are and use them as distribution centers. The idea that these are places where people can get help and get clean is fucking laughable.

How much are the doctors actually prescribing though. if you have an endless prescription then of course addiction is going to become a factor. That's why I said there should be drug dispensaries and you are only allowed an allotted amount, like so many grams a week or something. the addicts may go back to traditional dealers to get their fix, but it means responsible users can get what they want in a safe environment. you are going to end up with addicts exploiting any system, that is something that has to be looked at and addressed independently, like using tax money from the sale of drugs to create better facilities for addicts that do wish to change.

Sure the hardcore addicts will stay addicted, that's why I said that you cannot have 100% clean streets. That goes for drug dealers as well. In the long run, you'll have a lot less drug addicts and drug dealers tho. Again, some will stay and keep selling and injecting, but that's inevitable, but they'll be hunted down eventually.

the city is a shithole since the 80s, when they combated high rents with the bulding of hundreds of cheap commieblocks in the same area. That attracted all the poor workers and migrants

I think it's admirable to view freedom/liberty as a high value. I used to be ancap, legalize whatever and every person is ultimately responsible for the choices made. But of late, I realize people need guidance, especially those on the lower rungs of society and will likely remain there for the entirety of their lives. Having intense escape mechanisms such as hard drugs, various vices are destructive and will not only damage the user but the users family as well. Just because it would be legal, doesn't mean the junkie stops junkie behavior to get fixes, no loving family wants to see their relative fucked up and struggling. The thing western society needs most is institutions where they can find unity, community, a sense of purpose and things that will keep them grounded.

Nobody would actually go there, police will shake down every single one of those fuckers until they rat out their dealer

That plan only works once, though. That's a long con game if you're gonna commit to it at all.

I think the issue is that a lot of garbage manipulative people are attracted to the lifestyle because they know how to mooch and cheat people. I'd say about 60% of addicts are the hopeless type, the other 40% have a chance of getting clean.

t. heroin addict who quit using all forms of intoxicants years ago

Finally America is catching up to the rest of the civilized world.

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medical staff and security will cost millions a year, on the parasite dregs of society.
any place known to have heroin WILL be robbed, so whoever gets in the door first with the dope wins?
we need a good volcano in NYC.

This, especially with federal healthcare and people apathy towards being honest we are gonna see the manipulation begin to rise dramatically in the next few years. If national healthcare wasn't a variable it would just become natural selection.

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Good idea.

How about next step- since they will be grouped how anout shoot these fucking degenerate fucks?

Or create emergency fleet of gaswagens.

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I think people need guidance too, but there's no reason that can't also contain a chapter on personal responsibility. there's no reason junk food can't be taught to be okay in moderation, never healthy, but okay. likewise, why can't the same be applied to drugs, okay occasionally but not necessarily healthy. not everyone who uses drugs gets addicted not everyone who eat fast food is fat, moderation, self discipline and will power are all things people need to learn and if people are turning to drugs to solve problems they are currently facing in their lives then the root of those problems need to be addressed, but that's up to the individual to make sure the framework is in place so that a healthy relationship with drugs and all things in life that give us pleasure and happiness is ensured.

I don't think trying to execute or even imprison drug dealers or users is going to help anyone, ever. it's just silly knee jerk reaction to a much much wider and multi faceted problem.

>Except this doesn't work because someone will always be willing to take the risk
It works in singapore. They have almost ZERO drug addicts, only ones are young 20-30 y.o. businessmen working in finances who were abroad and took a liking to stimulants such as coke and meth. Shit, they even have a law which prohibits singaporeans using drugs ABROAD.
Sure, someone will take the reins after prices skyrocket, but that person is going to be executed too, and the next one, and the next one. Finally you will reach the points where NOONE will be brave enough to deal drugs.

Hasn't worked in Singapore.
Hasn't worked in China.
Hasn't worked in Saudi Arabia.
Hasn't worked in the Philippines.
But don't worry guys I'm sure it will work so much better in Germany.

Obligatory counseling encourages resistance. If being forced to hear that heroin was bad for you made junkies quit, there wouldn't be any.

Mass murder is more degenerate than drug addiction, you imbecile.

IIRC the prescription opioid stats include diversion of real prescriptions, fake prescriptions, and counterfeit pills purchased on the street. That last group have the same dosage creep issues as street drugs but people don't actually no it.

Congrats.

It’s not ideal but it’s better than turds and needles lying around the streets like in San Francisco

You're applying the ideal person onto the average and below average people who happen to use drugs. You can wish they'd do better, didn't have so many character flaws. But this is just the reality we live with and I believe it's better to make someone jump through hoops, be aware they will let people down to the point of excommunication and face criminal punishment. Some of these drugs alter the brain and are incredibly addictive substances which lead to many never leading a normal healthy life because of these vices. I agree with you it's silly to further ruin the life of a person actively ruining their lives, but I fear it might just be worth it from a numbers game to make sure someone who would have never touched it and could have a chain influence effect never occurs.

They will shoot up their drug anyways, and if there is not political will to eradicate the drug users and sellers themselves, the least they can do is to put them somewhere out of normal people's sight from messing up their communities.

There are plenty of ex-junkies out there. Not everyone can be saved but you should realize that some people have been.

It’s not a good idea to turn any space into a swap meet for dealers, filled with junkies suffering from withdrawals.

We actually have this same sort of program in Glasgow

Post arms

Death to everyone caught with coffee or beer? Brilliant, asswipe.

Irony value: the only place I know of that currently has active 'right-wing' death squads murdering drug users is... the Philippines. The country that has a drug lord for President now.

>No, but obviously the dealers know where these places are and use them as distribution centers.
Protip: Dealers aren't remotely hurting for ways to find customers.

No. Much of the drug supply is tainted with fentynyl which is why there are so many overdoses so safe injecting sites are a liberal fantasy.

>Hasn't worked
Well, then it obviously wasn't done correctly.
If all people who deal drugs are dead, then no one can buy them and use them.

Personally I would want to implement public flogging for drug abuse.

I like the way this guy thinks.

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Wont they die bc its mot their usual spot so their body wont be primed

Except it has worked in all those places. Singapore doesn't have a drug problem and is one of, if not the, safest and cleanest cities in the world. For what China is, a country with vast unpolicable regions and porous borders with one of the world's largest organised criminal gangs operating out of it. It doesn't have that much trouble with drugs, for what you'd expect. Saudi Arabia simply doesn't have a drug problem. The Philippines while drugs are rampant, they are in a better place then where they were before they started executing dealers. So it certainly is helping.

Everyone had to be high all the time in 1800s America because morphine, cocaine, opium, and heroin were so easy to get. They probably were on drugs so often they made the 60s look tame. Does anyone agree?

Safe Space for Junkies... we had those, the biggest one was called Auschwitz.

Soon they will be giving heroine and crack for free. So progressive!

>because morphine, cocaine, opium, and heroin were so easy to get
This isn't proof of people being addicted to them on a large scale.

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(((They))) make people disappear once in a while.

>We will never be able to stop kiddie porn. There will always be a market so we should legalize it.
>t. Walter block
Its a shit argument. When morality enforcement falls from religious/cultural hands the state must take on enforcement. Or society will collapse due to a degeneracy crisis

You notice how now that its white people its suddenly okay to be drug addicts?
Throw them in jail, criminal scum

Puzzles the mind how closely coordinated/lockstep NYC’s policies are with SF,CA.
Anyone know what’s up with that?
There’s clearly centralized planning.

It didn’t work in that one season of the wire

We have these in Canada. Not sure what the effects are, but it probably stops a lot of them from ODing which keeps more of them hanging around.

They also don't use them sometimes for whatever reason - they will shoot up in the McDonalds bathroom on my way to work.

Yeah, they pushing an agenda. Same with Hollywood and Russia boogeyman story. You'd be surprised how many tv shows has this theme.

Ancaps believe all people have similar iq's to them. I believe at 2 std deviation(30 points) of iq communication and understanding becomes difficult

More available means more addicts. Porn is more available now so there are more porn addicts. I bet you the people of the 1800s America were so high they made 60s hippies seem tame. Why wouldn't they be high all the time when there was heroin cough syrup?

But it wasn’t and it sucked ass to be the old nigger that had to deal with that shit right outside her house

If we just make guns illegal, then there will be no more guns!

>More available means more addicts.
No, that simply is false.

>Porn is more available now so there are more porn addicts.
I see no evidence for that.
Isn't it more reasonable that a demand for porn caused an increase in porn?

>Why wouldn't they be high all the time when there was heroin cough syrup?
Because not everyone is constantly taking cough syrup and the dosis was probably significantly lower.

Yeah that worked in Europe.
The Problem is that the criminals still have the guns.

After the initial revolt and boot on the civilians neck yes there would be less guns.
Check for example aussies gun ownership rate since strict laws.

It's never going to happen in white countries, because modern whites are too empathetic for their own good.

Like that other user said there is no evidence to suggest this so you're just pulling it out of your ass.

just over this to every junky out there

>hey do you want a free dose of drugs that will kill you?
you think these people want to live?
you think they will turn down a free hit of morphine?

Yeah, and that’s where you’re fucked in the head: you think recovering heroine addicts are common—they’re not.
Most are just killing time between relapses; the true success stories are actually extremely rare and are the exception that proves the rule.

No because it just sends the message of: ''drug usage is perfectly fine and we will help you using them as well''

Drug users and drug dealers are nigger tier degenerates and should be shot on sight.

Life was hard in the 1800s tough. They'd be on coke to survive the long work hours in the Victorian era.

Great. Then they can follow San Francisco's lead and pay millions of dollars a year to hire dumb niggers to pick up the needles that we paid for in tax dollars in the first place.

Agree. Drugs trade on the darkweb got even bigger after FBI seized SR.

The only reason people don't buy dxm cough syrup all the time is because the law restricts how much you buy. It's probably the same for heroin cough syrup.

No. The solution has always been to "get rid" of druggies and drug peddlers. You give them a pass, by doing this degenerate "safe space" druggie sites, and they'd just multiply like unwanted cockroaches.

>worked in all those places
One of those places is literally under the control of a drug gang. If that's what 'works' for you, I think I'll take what doesn't work.

>The only reason people don't buy dxm cough syrup all the time is because the law restricts how much you buy
What evidence do you have for that?
Just saying it doesn't make it true.
And even granted that today's demand is high, that doesn't imply anything about the past at all.

>It's probably the same for heroin cough syrup.
Any actual data?

You can say whatever you want, but you give no evidence for your claims.

kek

So you are saying we should also openly execute drug addicts if they don't get clean, after let's say 30 days?

I opened a safe drinking site in my neighborhood - called it a "bar" - and boy, did it solve all our problems!

Except kiddie porn involves a victim. drugs are victimless and a personal choice. kids are not choosing to be abused, so your comparison is irrelevant..