Holocaust

>another of these threads again
just fuck off
>Killing people is okay if I don't like them!

are you trying to say Jews are not one of the biggest contributes to leftist politics?
Then watch this
youtube.com/watch?v=lh4MSZjhdoU

if you don't like the thread, just don't post in it, it's as simple as that. I'm not breaking any rules of this board, this is about history.

Im not saying there would not be problems but i would say that a majority of the shit the west is dealing with right now is directly the fault of jews.

World peace would pretty much start from the day the jews vanished.

I'm saying it's totally irrelevant, killing the Jews would've done literally nothing to solve society's underlining social and spiritual ills, and would've only legitimized using mass genocides as a political tool in the future.

dude it is the jews that are pushing the majority of that kind of spiritual decadence and perversion in the west.
No jews and all societies in the west would swiftly recover and get on a healthy path.

We all know what you want to achieve here

>implying those mechanisms and institutions don't collapse without their (((backers)))

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yes, you are not saying it's totally irrelevant. but fact is that it's very relevant. if you put Jews out of equation the whole modern leftist ideology collapses. there might have been something even worse, but there is no doubt that what we have now, was built by Jews.
mass genocides are still a political tool and happening. Gaza is a one big concentration camp

I'm not deluded moron who think by posting on Jow Forums will achive anything. what do you think I'm trying to achieve? what's your problem?

Well actually it's capitalism and neoliberalism which has caused the mess we're in now, which believe or not aren't exclusively jewish things.

Blaming one group of people for all the world's ills doesn't make sense, it just stops you from figuring things out further

I have been thinking that it might be justified to exterminate every single german for the betterment of all of mankind.
It would be a big atrocity but the total human wellbeing if you could measure that would probably be higher 50 years after exterminating them

Sweden carried those practices into the eighties and have been desperately spreading their ass cheeks ever since in attempt to make up for it.

you're either an underage or severely autistic

what's so bad about the "modern letftist ideology", Jow Forums? help us to understand your sperging

capitalism as we know it now was formed by Jews, so is neoliberalism and neoconservatives, Jews are also their biggest sponsors. media is one of the big factors keeping people degenerate and passive, which is filled with Jews and is owned by Jews.
I'm not blaming all worlds ills on Jews, that was the other guy. after-all Jews wouldn't be able to have done anything if not for their gentile allies, I blame Christianity too, there are many other things I blame than Jews, but you just can't deny that Jews were instrumental in bringing us here.

You have to go back

>i'm gonna post a thread about holocaust denial on /his/, what could go wrong? I'm not doing anything you silly joo

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"bringing us here" where? also, please give us sources for your bullshit

>let's blame the jews
Why are people so fucking braindead?

We live in a society of billions of people with different views and goals but literally all problems can be traced to a disparate group of a couple million, where maybe a few thousand are actually in any sort of power.

Fucking lmao

>stormfags
>rational

You're dealing with people who don't really understand historiography and have only a very rudimentary conception of logic.

what problems are germans causing to anyone?

well constructed argument

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it completely ignore the human nature and it will only achieve weakening of the host nations. I don't want to go too deep into political discussion here, the other guy seems to dislike leftism as well, so I'm arguing about who's responsible for it right now.
>oh no, another thread discussing holocaust, how dare you, it's like another shoah

in the current state of things, watch the video I posted in one of my previous posts for sources on Jews

nobody blames jews for all the problems. you are the braindead one if you can't imagine that a group of people can be responsible for some thing.

you're not arguing. you're just speging out and blaming jews for everything without providing any evidences for your bullshit

>in the current state of things
>it completely ignore the human nature and it will only achieve weakening of the host nations.

Be specific, you can political all you want, this is a board about humanities after all.

The holocaust, and national socialism in general, are abused to justify all kinds of policies that only have the barest relation to it.
Others sterilized people (for various reasons). Germany straight up murdered them because war's expensive lol.

fuck off socrates, you know damn well what I'm talking about. this board shouldn't be about humanities, it overlaps with Jow Forums too much.

Bernays made women start smoking by branding it femenist and torches of freedom, a sign of power. tricking the low IQ goyim is not impossible.

Maybe the only point I agree with is that the Holocaust has been over-saturated in politics and culture to the point where you can't escape from it. Using the Holocaust as a cheap political card to play on people you disagree with is also a disgusting practice. That being said, most of the time I see the Holocaust being mentioned is on this fucking board, by the very same stormfags who can't shut the fuck up about it.

you're telling me you can't explain your reasoning because you're full of shit? well, that's very brave of you.

i was asking more about the historical facts, as opposed to how it's used now. either way I don't think I did anything that is "stromfag" and this "stormfag" term seems to be used to shut down any kind of discussion of holocaust that is not aligned with the mainstream view.

I'm not going to waste time explaining to you what capitalism, leftism... are

Well I disagree with them that they are actually seeking the truth. I don't think holocaust denial or revisionism should be illegal, but the fact that people are so obsessed with the subject itself is suspect.

>i was asking more about the historical facts, as opposed to how it's used now.

You only said "What are some points you agree with holorevisionists with?"

>either way I don't think I did anything that is "stromfag" and this "stormfag" term seems to be used to shut down any kind of discussion of holocaust that is not aligned with the mainstream view.

Because Holocaust discussions not aligning with the 'mainstream' view are usually started by a bunch of Jow Forums types trying to argue that the whole damn thing never happened. I wasn't calling you a stormfag in specific either.

I think it's natural that some people are obsessed with it, because it's one of the most controversial and banned subjects to talk about, I understand that there are "holohoax" types who deny everything completely without examining any evidence, but there is too much push back from the other side as well for no legitimate reason.

>I agree that gas chambers is a myth.

Why?

He probably saw the upper part of pic related

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>denying the worst genocide in European history because you're an edgy nazi
>"push back for no legitimate reason"

I don't think there is sufficient physical evidence for it and the response to revisions arguments seem to be hypothetical about how it would functions without proving it did, I don't feel comfortable relying on documents and testimonies.

I can post memegraphics too pal

I'm denying the method of genocide and there are worse ways to go than gassing.

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>Germar Rudolf
>the master chemist who make up names so he can cite himself

>I don't think there is sufficient physical evidence for it
Their use in T4 is unquestion even by the deniers, though.

>That infographic
>6th word and already a lie
wew

when did he cite himself?

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>I reverted to my name of birth after divorce
>Chaning name after marriage

Wait...what is the gender of this "Germar"?

that's not true, T4 gas chambers are also questioned, the killing itself is not questioned.

he changes his name to his wife's name because it probably had advantages after dwelling into the holocaust stuff, Varg Vikernes for example too adopted his wife's last name
Why does his personal life matter so much?

lol, what a cuck

>I don't feel comfortable relying on documents and testimonies.
Then you can declare all history a lie. Including WW2.

wrong. there is archaeological evidence for history, there is physical proof. not just "all the gas chambers were blown up and bricks were moved to build houses outside and we will haven't tested the houses just because"

I only support the idea that history should be examined factually regardless of political/ religious/ ethnic/ et cetera sensitivity.

t. Bibi

There are 4 surviving gas chambers.

There is archeological evidence of German exterminationist policy.
>all the gas chambers were blown up and bricks were moved to build houses outside and we will haven't tested the houses just because"
Where did you get that from? We have ruins of crematoria, we have aerial photos of them and they look exactly as described by people who worked there.
>archaeological evidence for history
Hardly, outside of few artifacts there isn't much left. For example you will never be able to reconstruct the history of Rome from archeology alone.

In Auschwitz there is one. There are ruins of others.

What about Hartheim?

World Peace is entirely possible without killing all Jews. The means justify the end, if your means come from a place of evil then your end is automatically bad. Peace through genocide will never end in peace, people must choose to come together on their own free will if peace is to be achieved.

I was thinking only about Auschwitz.

nobody is denying existence of crematoria. aerial photos are low quality trash and both side use them to prove their points, I don't see shit in there.
History of Rome is questioned all the time and nobody talks about Roman history as if everything mainstream was 100% factual and you were barbarian if you questioned if Nero was as bad or something. Roman history is also nowhere as politicized now.

neoliberal media is leftist

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You'd learn to talk a different way if you were a disabled war veteran.

History of the Holocaust is questioned, just in ways that aren't retarded.
If you went around denying the Servile Wars or some shit you would rightly be laughed at and not taken seriously unless you provide an alternative, plausible explanation.

Even Carlo Mattogno todays accepts the gassing of Jews at Natzweiler-Stutthof.

>the jews are vastly overrepresented

0:19 seconds into the video and he already begins with the antisemitic memes lmao. yeah, this video isn't gonna be biased at all. 100% legit

Saying that Gas Chambers didn't exist isn't "questioning", saying that is just being 100% retarded

it's not retarded to question gas chambers, it's a relatively new event and there is ton of possible evidence that is not investigated for stupid political reasons, until it's properly is physically investigated there is no reason for me not doubt it. some investigation that has been done seems to indicated that people weren't gasssed.

that wasn't me who said world peace Jew thing
not only neoliberal media is leftist, but also Neo-cons are always leftist. you can't ironically support egalitarianism and freedom meme and call yourself right-wing.
>trusting an italian
anyway, quickly googling the camps you'll find tons of people denying it being a gas chambers, including Germar Rudolf. here's one link I found
carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-were-86-jews-gassed-natzweiler-struthof-camp
so no, revisionist haven't given up on that.
at this point I can't tell if this is ironic or not. the guy is a white nationalist, but he is a type that doesn't mind Jews much, he has defended in the past. he is too autistic for that, he just looks at the data. thought I don't think there is such a thing as unbiased investigation.
psychologist has tested me and I'm very high IQ, so I am not retarded what are some other options? am I a nazi secretly trying to subvert 90% nazi Jow Forums?

>psychologist has tested me and I'm very high IQ
I too and I is retardeds

>psychologist has tested me and I'm very high IQ

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>I'm very high IQ

what did he mean by this

>t. jelous brainlets

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im not saying it didn't happen I'm just gonna say 6 millions seems kind of a big ass number and everytime I ask for evidence of any kind people get mad

He meant that he has high intelligence.
Highly intelligent people are smart
Smart people are always right
Therefore we are wrong and he is right

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>psychologist has tested me and I'm very high IQ

Can you still get your money back?

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Why would I want my money back? it's not like I'm low IQ like you only have limited amount of it

>random numbers are evidence

Memes aside, bragging about IQ (even with bad grammar) doesn't imply he is not smart. It just means he's a lonely self-absorbed adolescent with IQ score being his sole achievement.

Well, see, those little blue numbers in square brackets are called citations. That means the claim is based off somebody else's work.

they're not random numbers, tard. they're the estimated number of jews who have died due to nazi policies in allied/occupied countries. Now go make your research.

What else? do I also want to fuck my mom?
how can you say memes aside and at the same time comment seriously about a joke?

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>"go find evidence" is evidence

>sources are hyperlinks on an image
>doesn't post link

if you have two groups that hate eachothers and one group will kill the other group there will absolutley will be peace

>>"go find evidence" is evidence

>I can't be arsed to do basic research
>But I'm right and entire academia is wrong

>exactly what I said in happened

ayy

people are not getting mad. you were given a list of all the countries jews died due to nazi policies, and the number of victims. do you want us to do all the research for you and give you all the links? stop being a lazy asshole, man

>When I act retarded, people say I'm a retard

What do you expect? One can tell you to go and grab Hillberg, but we both know you ain't gonna read anything above 20 pages, let alone that monster of a book.

Germans did try to kill jews you can't argue about that but i still don't belive they killed as much
i remeber reading post about analyzing those gas chambers and ovens
tl;dr
it was stated that in order for germany to kill as many jews as it is claimed (6 million) they'd have to start gassing them from day 1 of WWII up till the last days of reich.
It was about the ovens they used to burn bodies
Modern ovens which are much more advnaced and efficient take some time to burn a single body and in Auschwitz alone nazis were supposedly burning them by the thousands daily in ovens that were
>less efficent
>slower
I think jews pumped the numbers of actuall jews killed by using non jews and quielty adding them to the pool and then over the years they made sure that anyone questioning that 6 million would be put in the same basket as nazis.
Besides holocaust was the best thing that happend to jews, prove me wrong
>they got their own UN founded country
>never ending support from US
>anybody questining them or oppsing them is immediatly branded as nazi and shamed on world forum

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>le epic "the oven couldn't burn all the bodies" meme

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if you can't summarize it in 20 pages then it's worthless rambling, no wonder bigger amount was all it took to convince a knobhead like you.