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Luis King
On The Labour Theory of value.
All value that is created is the product of labour, from clothes and shoes to watches and diamonds, all is an expression of the value creating power of labour. By itself, cotton is worthless, yet through the value creating power of labour, a coat is created, and that coat holds value purely due to the transformative power of labour. The more intelligent among you may notice that diamonds were previously mentioned and may ask yourselves: 'how can this be a product of labour? A diamond is valuable in and of itself!'.
Incorrect, a diamond in the ground is of use to no one. Yet it is through labour that the diamond is removed from the ground and becomes valuable.
Thus we can deduce that all value is product of labour.
Julian Fisher
Labour Theory of Value (LTV):
Non arguments:
>If I dig a hole in my backyard and then fill it in I used labor but made no value! Commies BTFO!
Marx clarified (unlike adam smith) that only socially necessary labor (labor used to produce a commodity with use value) creates value. This is also the case if you spend 1000 years making a bed.
>Nature can create value as well. If an apple falls from a tree then value is created without labor
Marx also noted nature could create value.
>if labor determines price why is coca cola cheaper than bottled water?
Labor doesn't determine price. It determines value (not exchange value or use value) and correlates with the equilibrium price.
Machines cannot create value. If I make a machine that makes diamonds out of thin air then the value of a diamond falls below that of bricks now that they can be aquired with no work what so ever. Price might not fall because you can still manipulate supply and demand but value certainly does.
Some definitions.
Use value = How useful an object is.
Exchange value = Market value of a commodity. Different from use value. You can sell a beanie baby for 200$ but it is almost completely useless.
Value = the amount of congealed labor withing a commodity.
Some evidence of the LTV
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Camden Sanchez
On The Oppression of the Working Class.
Now that we have established that value is created through labour, let us turn our eye to the modern capitalist system. We can ask this: 'how can profit exist when the labourer is the creator of value?' Indeed, what has the capitalist done to create value in a product? The only answer: he has done nothing. He has not toiled like the labourer has, the value is not created through him. Yet, the capitalist sells the product at a price greater than the true value, the labour value, taking this money as his own. He then pays the labourer a fraction of the price. The labourer has now been left with less than he started with. He may have sewn a coat sold for $20, yet was only paid $5 for having sewn it. Profit is slavery.
Liam Morgan
Reminder: Communism is the new counter culture.
Nolan Torres
Chase Allen
Fuck Tankies.
>inb4 Jow Forumstards spam
Dylan Reyes
Caleb Rogers
Joshua Richardson
It's only through tankies that the revolution can be protected from imperialism.
Alexander Wilson
Nathaniel Wilson
Wyatt Martinez
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
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Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Ayden Reyes
William Parker
Yup, so you can establish dictatorship and state capitalism that eventually collapses. Tankies get the bullet alongside liberals.
>"Look Mom, I posted it again"
Wyatt Peterson
>le edgy burning nigger
try harder faggot
Noah Wilson
Jayden Thompson
>Tankies get the bullet
Tankies are the ones with tanks friendo.
Ayden Hill
* shot
Michael Brown
That's why anarchists have to prevent you from getting into power.
Aaron Lee
>It is another episode of the goyim mindlessly follow one of our degenerates
Getting really tired of this.
Ryder Ortiz
that picture really does not depict the real outcome of Communism
Henry Murphy
is this edgy enough for you?
Christian Ross
Xavier Ross
Cameron Jenkins
spoopy
Cooper Lee
Nathan Reyes
Sebastian Nelson
i'd rape the communism out of them
Isaac Clark
Ayden Reyes
Charles Rivera
Bentley Rodriguez
Except in communist circles you are by far the minority..
Jace Hill
Carter Green
Charles Garcia
Connor Evans
that guy should of used his brai......oh wait
Benjamin King
I like your thinking burgerbro.
Christian Ross
Damn these must be some rare commie anime girls because I've never seen them before
Caleb Moore
Luis Phillips
>let's have a lefty general even though every form of social media is leftist and the elites are leftist and the establishment is leftist
This shit is shillacious, even when I was a young punk, liberals and communists didn't suck corporate and banker cock, all your words are hallow and meaningless.
I suggest you open your fucking eyes if you aren't shills and take a look around. But you won't since you are shills.
The whole planet is your echo chamber, and then you come here, ha what a fucking retarded joke.
Jace James
this
Samuel Long
Zachary Taylor
great minds think alike
William Powell
Xavier Baker
i ubvote xddddd
Nathan Lopez
Have the commies not been disturbing the memes of production.. Its not like them to horde resources..
Daniel Evans
Caleb Davis
Jason Bennett
oh lefty/pol/ when will you learn that you have no future here
you have too understand that even conceptually you are a laughing stock
now imagine the sweatiest fattest smelliest neckbeard you can sitting in a concrete bunker that knows not the touch of the sun
I am talking cow levels of obesity a skin complex like the moon pushy and with zits and a beard that (fortunately) hides most of that spectacle from up front at least
the odor is like a thousand corpses were closed in plastic bags and were left out in 50 degree summer sun to really get the juices ferment well in there and then the smell was extracted and given to satan to make it even worse
his room is filled with dragon dildoes 3 of which are currently up his own ass as he salutes his swastiga flag and prays to his little tasteful shrine of Hitler pictures and memorabilia
ok got that mental image?
good
now add that YOU yes you me dear lefty/pol/ bbc loving cuck are what that abomination of humanity uses to laugh and he is right for it because you truly are more pathetic than him
Cooper Cox
*distributing
Gavin Brown
this is what commies want
James Nguyen
communism is brain tumor
David Johnson
this
Jace Turner
I wouldn't even be that bothered with you guys if it weren't for the fact that you want to destroy all culture and national identity.
Why not take the final step to NazBol or Strasserism?
Zachary Ortiz
This.
Zachary Davis
Communism is about as dead as Nazism
Christopher Thompson
But how it can be slavery if the worker was payed for the job he did, he also agreed to work for the price the capitalist valued his work?
Cooper Myers
the commies are truly a masterrace of people guys, i mean look at all the examples there are of communist perfection!
Bentley Flores
All value is not created through labor unless you decide to only define labor as the amount of labor involved. Cotton is useful as is as well as with labour put in to it. Subjective value is not always based on labor. Machines do not work or get crated for free so they do not immediately devalue whatever it is they make. This is one of the reasons why labor itself has different amounts of value to it depending on what both the value of the material is as well as what the subjective value of what is being created. What is the solution, equal pay for all types of labor? That is a stupid and silly solution, a shitty solution that goes along with an indefensible argument.
Joshua Murphy
Ryder Perry
>unironically shilling for e-celebes like comrade CUckgo the mangina
Cringe.
Tyler Foster
The labourer has created the product of value, the capitalist has done nothing to add value to the product, yet the labourer is given a fraction of the payment and the capitalist earns money on top of the true value of the product.
Jacob Robinson
>Its cannot be imperialism if we call it revolution
Xavier Butler
You sure, sound more like a gulag.
Lucas Campbell
annnnd thread closed, back to brit/pol/ lads should be new posts there now.
Colton Baker
this
Xavier Gray
fucking commies haven't spent a week on Jow Forums and are already trying to gas eachother fuck me
Nolan Miller
bruh look at this dude
Daniel White
>>>/leftypol/
>>>/leftpol/
>>>/any new lefty anything you make after the 100th gorillionth schism in your overdivided ideology/
Anthony Lewis
Hurray for neocons
Parker Torres
Not gonna lie, communism did more for the preservation of our race and traditions than capitalism, and seeing as we won't get fascism or feudalism back might as well go with the third best option
Hudson Smith
Also it has some nostalgia at this point for the aesthetic
Isaiah Wilson
Elijah Walker
>literally went out of its way to destroy culture and traditions, many methods were used including 'mass murder'
Best option, fucking kek!
Grayson Taylor
> the capitalist has done nothing to add value to the product
Exept for the tools, machines, the selling of the product, advertising, inventions, etc.
He makes what you call exchange value
Also why on earth should the worker by paid for the whole value of the product if he only does a few tasks usually
If the worker had to do all the job in for example making a car I could understand your reasoning but when the only thing think he did was to check some parts and screw some things then he should be payed for that labor
John Lopez
You have ALL of reddit to do this. Fuck off.
Aaron Stewart
Aiden Wilson
You forget that the state carrying it out was staffed by the people
After the initial stalinist stage which we beat, it was actually pretty supporting of peasant traditions and conveniently turned a blind eye to underground practicing of christianity
Unlike the internationalist-globalist-zionist capitalist mindworm infecting everything with degeneracy
Communism was unironically far more moral and comfy, even if less luxurious
Anthony Wilson
this shit is so cringy
Julian Martinez
Hi everyone! What are you all up to?
I’m currently sat at home waiting from my wife to get back from her date with Tyrone
Connor Johnson
Jow Forums and our own pessimist propaganda might make it seem like it's the literal antichrist but comfy gopnik and peasant aesthetics are several steps up from what we or especially you have now
Tyler Hughes
Reminds me of this
Austin Rivera
Cooper Gutierrez
>The state of American Capitalism under Trump
Truly setting up for a leftist revolution.
Adrian Perez
OP just found out how to suck his own dick, refuses to quit.
Isaiah Hill
John Russell
I wish I could believe in humans the way you leftists do. Unfortunately humans are not worth trust and without trust communism falls apart.
Juan Jenkins
>yeah they did that, but it was okay because later on they decided that breaking the law was okay.
Kek, then talks about 'degeneracy' , do you even hear yourself.
Chase Russell
Both capitalism and communism have been horrible in those respects
Ian Richardson
Dominic Mitchell
Under communism, importing muslims was unthinkable as well as not working and living on welfare - it was literally punished by beating and prison. There would be no MGTOW or incels, due to the simple, close environment you would invariable get a local village gf.
There was no jewish speculator class
There were no street fights and demonstrations
Feminists, lgbtq and others would be lined up and shot
There were no sex shops
There was no pornography
Quite soon it was actually possible to do some limited, actually useful free enterprise
It was a simpler time, a better time
Nathaniel Perry
Bull fucking shit!
Levi Fisher
Only if it is white communism, Progressives and lefties stereotypes pink hair get executed
Connor Diaz
I just came here to say how much I despise commies.
Chase Anderson
stop replying
'leftypol' is literally 3 shills coming here to waste our time with autism
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Brody Jackson
Altough you sound like a fucking shill desu.
Mason Cox
Go back to leftypol