>As early as next week, Italy could adopt a harsher stand on migration after coalition talks between Lega and Cinque Stelle to form a government have resulted in broad agreement.
>On Thursday, representatives of both leaders were optimistic that Italy could have a government by next week. Agreement on a programme for government is set to include a harsher stand on migration, the introduction of a flat tax, a minimum income for all citizens and laws to regulate conflict of interest.
Sounds to me like Lega making concessions to M5S's socialistic nonsense to focus on the immigration issue
No. A third person will be, not Salvini or Di Maio.
Aaron Martinez
I don't know. Could you repeat the question?
David Perez
Non whites telling other non whites to gtfo
Caleb Reed
> Spaniard talking about Italians being nonwhite lel
Joseph Russell
Real talk now, it's time to broke free of Jow Forums memes. 5S may have looked like it moved towards dark waters (at least for this board's hivemind), but in actuality they were never that different from the good side of Lega, as in they were sovranist as fuck.
All it took to meme you guys was one of Grillo's thousand mumblings about cinegros and shit or some backpedaling about EU just so that said EU didn't feel threatened when relevant shit was actually put on the table as to negotiate for better terms. It's like you don't even know how basic politics work.
If this government actually succeeds, it will be one of the best legislatures in the last 20 years.
Ryan Green
The biggest eyebrow raise here is the part where they want universal basic income
Evan Gonzalez
>a minimum income for all citizens sounds like a pretty bad idea for Italy unless you get rid of all the other gibs.
Jaxson Wood
No, M5S is opportunistic as fuck, don't wver trust them. The only reason they're brushing up their sovranist rhetoric right now is because it helps them get into a government. If PD agreed to make a government with them, they would have shifted their rhetoric to be not ao against Europe anymore, and dropped the EU and Euro referenduns altogether. They're just vote-grabbers who got successful because of the very short memory of Italian voters.
Asher Cox
Cool, so they will eventually be greece and venezuela after all
Dominic Sullivan
t. pasquale ciro esposito
Luke Rogers
t. Mugebi Ubongo
William Cox
Ok just read the thing. They are all a bunch of socialists. I wouldn't be surprised if they are working in collusion and lying to the public about the migration issue same as they were doing here for years. So only choice is socialist a and socialist b. This is why we can never let them have our guns people.
Which is a huge lie if you ever bothered to read about said income. To put it simply, it's financial aid in case your income falls below a really low threshold (and it's only for FULL Italian citizens). After you ask for it, you will only have to work 8 hours a week for your district. Then, thanks to employment center reforms (which were in Lega's program), as to make them more efficient and optimized, you will be interviewed for a maximum of three jobs according to your expertise (and if you're without, you're put in a specialized course, free of charge). If you refuse those three jobs, you don't get your income anymore.
>The only reason they're brushing up their sovranist rhetoric right now is because it helps them get into a government.
Looks like bias to me, years back it was said 5S were never going to govern because they weren't capable, and they were going to be eternal money vacuums in the opposition. How times change.
>If PD agreed to make a government with them, they would have shifted their rhetoric to be not ao against Europe anymore
No, they would have just adjusted their "contract" (they aren't actually allying with anyone, they openly stated they don't trust anybody) just to be more aimed towards leftist issues. Both sides had to agree one paper, but they wouldn't be sacrificing their ideals (after all, that's what you do in a proportional system, why is this a problem again?).
>They're just vote-grabbers who got successful because of the very short memory of Italian voters.
Funny how this fits for any party ever made. Salvini is using equally "scummy" tactics to get governship (allying with the Berlusca again after swearing time and again not to ever do so). Why does he get a pass?
Parker Price
>Which is a huge lie if you ever bothered to read about said income. To put it simply, it's financial aid in case your income falls below a really low threshold (and it's only for FULL Italian citizens). After you ask for it, you will only have to work 8 hours a week for your district. Then, thanks to employment center reforms (which were in Lega's program), as to make them more efficient and optimized, you will be interviewed for a maximum of three jobs according to your expertise (and if you're without, you're put in a specialized course, free of charge). If you refuse those three jobs, you don't get your income anymore. This doesn't sound like UBI, this sounds like temporary unemployment financial aid
Kevin Harris
>votes a private association with shady connection to international secret service
UBI really implies no strings attached, hence "universal"
Nathaniel Sullivan
>bunch of literally who that can't even make their own touted system secure (rousseau was hacked multiple times) and live off ads >counting anything
UBI was probably poorly translated from Reddito di Cittadinanza, which could actually imply that every citizen has a form of income (technically, that's still the spiritual nature of the bill), but the Italian term itself was coined by Grillo, which has a tendency towards spouting grandiose bullshit that sometimes overly damaged his own movement.
Bentley Butler
it's really bad,5cucks must be genocided,worse than commies
Wyatt Butler
Contractually M5S elected members can't go against any decision from the Casaleggio Associati. It's a whole party of tools that will never be independent political personalities. They are also cutting their own salaries, becoming as a matter of fact completely dependent from the higher authority. but >muh onestà so it's okay
Honestly, this is bad news for Malta as the articl says. But I feel like it's important to hold our leaders' feet to the fire rather than let them get away with waffly bullshit because Italy is covering our ass
Lucas Bell
Enough of politicians! Italy needs a technocratic government to hasten reforms and stabilize the markets.
Luis Taylor
>planning nationalist and socialist laws
Mason Kelly
>Italy >technocratic
You do know the Italians are shit at technology, right? I mean, if you want it to *look* nice, by all means, get an Italian designer. But for the love of God don't ever use Italian engineering.
Hudson Allen
>says Belgium >while using a phone that runs on batteries that uses radio communication so he can Reddit-space on Jow Forums
Brayden Hill
That's just prejudice. For fuck sake we wouldn't have the atomic bomb without the work of Enrico Fermi.
>Contractually M5S elected members can't go against any decision from the Casaleggio Associati.
That's some source you have there. M5S elected members are not free to do what they want, that's true. Internal democracy there is sacrificed for the sake of compactness, but by their words, the warrants (Grillo+Di Maio) are guided by "common sense", which is not the best of assurances I admit. The fear is that if someone ever goes against the M5S COA, since it's a post-idealistic movement (there are both currents of left and right, so it's not as simple as for right or left wing parties, wouldn't you back the fuck out from Lega if multiple members said "I welcome niggers"?) people would think of it as unreliable, and that's why Dimayo is pulling the "public damage sue" card, even if their contracts are consistently proven useless from a legal standpoint. This will never create individual political personalities and must always control everything they do/say, that's for sure, unless they later leave M5S like Fabio Fucci did, but that's another can of worms, since any M5S member is also contractually obligated to fuck off from politics in 2 legislatures.
>They are also cutting their own salaries, becoming as a matter of fact completely dependent from the higher authority.
By cutting your own salary you get less taxes and can still live properly, you dingo.
Jason Bennett
>implying Olivetti was a bigger tech company than IBM back in the day, they made the first PC Then America killed them because it was a threat >forgetting Meucci, Marconi, and Volta >also forgetting Lagrange, Fibonacci and Golgi >forgetting Galileo >forgetting Da Vinci
Asher Gonzalez
>flag lmao
Jack Russell
We wuz IBM
Evan Perry
Nigga no need to rise your hopes so high, when coming to a reality check of actual governing, 5S cities are going down the shitter, while Lega ones are always one step ahead of the others. Having Salvini as Interior Minister will probably be all the better that we can get from this alliance.
M5s flips flops too frequently for most people's taste. It's not just backpedaling on a couple of things right before election, it's changing stance on a ton of key points and not just once, but many times. Just look at the whole shitshow on NATO membership
Grayson Thomas
Any Spaniard is more mutted than an Italian. Your language even contains Arabic words. Also, don't you think that just because we invade Mallorca every summer we actually like you. You are a laughing stock in my country. When the DOTR comes you will be the first to hang, Juanito
Let's discuss the absolute state of globalists, with both Mattarella and Macron crying wolf about muh sovranist danger, muh Europe is more important than national interests.
Cretino, vi stavo difendendo. Nessun spagnolo di merda ha il diritto di chiamarci mutt.
Brody Murphy
Yes, you've had lots of brilliant scientists over the centuries, nobody can dispute that. But I'm talking about the quality of your engineering.
>Olivetti Case in point. My uncle had (probably still has in the attic) one of those computers. Beautiful piece of design... But engineering-wise, way too expensive. Again: prioritizing form over function.
Is there any risk of leaving the EU? That's all I need to know. In or out, not gonna fix your lame ass economy and unemployment. What are they going to do about that?
Kayden Perez
it should be "sovereignist" in english,i think
Liam Morales
Quality has a cost Not everything can be nepalese-tier cheap
If you aren't eurocentrist and don't want EU influencing every decision made by your nationalgovernment, than you are a "sovranist". Orban and Le Pen are considered as such.
Asher Ward
Conversely, just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's good quality.
Nepalese-tier cheap crap is "good enough" 95% of the time.
Connor Moore
buzz word meaning nationalist views, from someone who is euroskeptik and would like to leave the EU because it damages our national interests
Italy mostly seems to make stuff that enthusiasts like. Like their cars: normalfags think "I can't buy this Lancia because it's unreliable and I have to get my wife's son to school" while car enthusiasts all love Lancia because it has a lot of soul, even if it comes at a reliability cost.
Wyatt Roberts
>Secondo Rossi «a un anno dalle elezioni europee il nostro continente, l'Europa, è in affanno per una miscela di sovranismo, di intolleranza e di chiusura. I partiti europeisti tradizionali sembrano non riuscire a dare risposte concrete ai nostri cittadini, che patiscono differenze sociali sempre più marcate. L'Europa appare spaventata, schiacciata dalla globalizzazione, sopraffatta dagli egoismi nazionali, dalle crisi politiche, dai tentennamenti nel governare il dialogo sociale e la sfida democratica». E allora quale sarebbe la soluzione secondo loro?
Ryan Moore
>Funny how this fits for any party ever made. Salvini is using equally "scummy" tactics to get governship (allying with the Berlusca again after swearing time and again not to ever do so). Why does he get a pass?
because FI always voted like lega on the senate, while M5s had always abstained
Ryder Lee
USE credo
Wyatt Gray
actually our hi t3ech it's limited, but engennering products are our biggest export
because your own banks are so great with money fucking lol how it going with that oldest bank? banki retardia or something
Kevin Reed
come on Italians FORZA ITALIA!
Benjamin Nelson
t.pedophile jew banker
Anthony Martin
a little better. it was really these fucking leftists fault. that bank is older than your country and these commies managed to almost collapse it in 5 years. what a disgrace
Ryder Clark
Can someone tell me what's their military stance in the current development of things? And, if they are conservative, how in the fuck aren't they planning a coup right now?
Daniel Foster
mildly pro russia / assad.
John Perry
I'm glad for Italy, hopefully the won't have to "rescue" "refugees" from drowning in Lybian waters any longer. Too bad it won't change anything for us other Europeans at the will just start going with their boats to Spain or France instead.
Ryan Hernandez
>military stance stay the fuck away from wars
Xavier Morris
>castilian talking shit
David Perez
>"rescue" "refugees" from drowning in Lybian waters m8 that's not us doing it, it's the fucking ngos
Isaiah Cook
Yeah but they are setting out from italian coasts and bringing them back to land. You will not have to worry about this anymore anyways.
My cousin is engaged to an Italian woman. They're pretty high maintenance and they expect you to be an alpha male and give them stuff and pay 100% of the bill at restaurant. Also, her dad is against their marriage because she is not marrying a Italian man and thus 'sullying the bloodline'.
I do not know if the mentality of women is much different from your country, however I think that as far as alpha males are concerned, in theory it is enough to be normal
however I do not know if it is appropriate to ask questions of this type, in / pol /.
Nicholas Long
fuck off with your pasta
Ian Russell
>all non-catacucks are castilian
Grayson Miller
>FULL Italian citizens Which isn't based on race by the way so have fun subsidizing niggers and mudslimes shitty lifestyles. Your descent into communistic hell will be amusing
David Myers
comunque forse ha ragione sul fatto che le ragazze italiane sono più altezzose rispetto a molte altre ragazze di altre nazioni e questa cosa e dovuta al fatto che vi impegnate troppo a provarci, perchè non smettete così comunque dopo sono loro ad essere costrette a provarci con noi e facciamo meno fatica? :DDDDDDD
Anthony Nelson
Hey...If the M5Cucks agree to limit considerably the influx of niggers that's good. Frankly i stopped giving a fuck about economics long time ago.
Gavin Cox
he is a bot/shitposter don't take him seriously
Xavier Barnes
Italian citizenship is based on blood, burger We're not like you that let people that birth over your border become citizens
