I'm interested how taxes in the United States work

I'm interested how taxes in the United States work.

>For example many employers will withhold a certain portion of their employee's pay and effectively pay it forward directly in order to cover things like income tax and social security and stuff like that under the expectation that their employees are proper tax paying citizens.

So the employer pays these taxes directly to the tax office. What is then for the normal working person to do?
You have your tax deadline in April? Do you pay your taxes in April for the last year?

>On top of that public schools are paid for with property taxes, so if you don't legally own property and are renting from an owner who is subsidized you are not specifically paying for public infrastructure in general.

This is interesting as well. So, that's the reason why people in TV series and movies move to a nice neighborhood becuse the School is better?

Then what happenes, if you as an citizen of the United States move abroad.
I heard that the United States is almost the only contry in the world where you still pay taxes for the United States even if you live abroad?

Thank you for everybody in the thread earlier.

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Yeah, the average wage slave pays taxes in April or maybe as early as January or February or whenever the employer furnishes the W-2 forms. You can often get your employer to reduce the withholding so that you wind up paying at the deadline rather than all year long.

Public school are supposed to be payed for by property taxes, but the Jews who run the government have substantially perverted that with federal funding in order to turn the schools into Communist indoctrination camps. But yeah, if you have children then one of the things you will think about is moving to a decent school district or sending them to private school or possibly homescholing.

It's just self flagellation for whites, literally no non-whites file taxes.

>or whenever the employer furnishes the W-2 forms

So the form to fill out for the taxes are distributed by the employer? And not by the tax office?

>but the Jews who run the government have substantially perverted that with federal funding in order to turn the schools into Communist indoctrination camps.

And with money from doners and such? I mean, some Universities are quite wealthy. I once visited Harvard and there it's quite something else.

But how do they get away with this?

Where I am the tax office sends the tax forms. Then there is a certain deadine to file the taxes. This deadline can be extended.

If you don't file a form, the tax office send one or two reminder or so.
If you still not file your form, they just assume the amount you owe from the form you filed the last year and they send you a bill.

If you don't pay this bill after one, two or maybe three reminders, you get an enforcement.

There's a reason for that, Mr meme flag.

The W-2 form is issued by the employer and provides the meat of the information needed for filling out income taxes for wage slaves. There is no "tax office" per se but rather a variety of ways to obtain tax forms or to file them, whether that's picking them up from a local public library or paying a few shekels for some company to file them online for you.

Universities are basically hedge funds these days. We need another congressional investigation into the anti-American activities of the tax-free foundations like we had in decades past.

And what's the reason?
>Mr meme flag.
If I lived in a country with a population of 326 Million, I would use my real flag. So, stfu.

Eventually the irs notices, but it can take years for these individuals to accrue enough back taxes to be noticeable. Also, keep in mind these individuals can also be difficult to track down as domestic stability is not a priority for them.
What's the reason? Meme flags are fun, it's important to keep things """"satirical""""

>The W-2 form is issued by the employer and provides the meat of the information needed for filling out income taxes for wage slaves.

>There is no "tax office" per se but rather a variety of ways to obtain tax forms or to file them, whether that's picking them up from a local public library or paying a few shekels for some company to file them online for you.

That there is no tax office per se is also the reason, it's so difficult to established who pays taxes and who does not?

Are there states where it's known that the rules are harsher, or the rules for illegals are laxer because nobody gives a shit?

>Eventually the irs notices, but it can take years for these individuals to accrue enough back taxes to be noticeable.

That's for sure a point. That the amounts owed by people who don't file tax forms is not large enough that anybody notices.
If enough people in a certain area don't pay their taxes, then the states lackes money for infrastructure and such. But the individual who doesn't pay taxes might be hard to track.

Your Meme flag is great.

Ah, and you say the IRS notices. So there is not really a tax office, or there are on a state level different ways to get a tax form. But on a federal level there is the IRS who tries to keep track of everybody who ows taxes?

You have to separate federal income taxes (collected by the IRS) from state taxes (collected by the state) from city and/or county taxes (collected by the state and/or county). The taxes you hear about mainly are federal income taxes. I've never skipped out on federal income taxes, but a lot of people do, and get away with it. They can't even maintain accurate voter rolls here. I imagine that if you do work for a corporation that the federal government would have the information it would need to know that you should be paying taxes, which makes the whole system even more nonsensical.

Yes, some states or localities are more lax than others. But the US is a place where you have a presumption of innocence and most decent old fashioned white people just pay up even though there isn't always a clear legal basis for it. Part of it is fear of how much you can get fucked over if the government decides to come after you for not paying your taxes properly.

Taxes are broken down into 2 categories
Federal and state. If you have a w2, youre letting the employer take the % of taxes owed. W9 is self employed and usually means no taxes taken out..which you have the option of paying up front, later or split up. EVERYTHING THATS in the form of a check, the government sees and knows about..so its just a matter of time before they find out. If youre living a checkless society where cash is king..or "under the table" youre now bypassing the state and federal income taxes...cause they have no way to know what you make or do with it.

>You have to separate federal income taxes (collected by the IRS) from state taxes (collected by the state) from city and/or county taxes (collected by the state and/or county). The taxes you hear about mainly are federal income taxes. I've never skipped out on federal income taxes, but a lot of people do, and get away with it.

>I imagine that if you do work for a corporation that the federal government would have the information it would need to know that you should be paying taxes, which makes the whole system even more nonsensical.

Makes sense, that there are different levels of taxes. And yes, it surely makes sense that working for a big corporation, the IRS would more likely know who has to pay taxes and such.

>But the US is a place where you have a presumption of innocence and most decent old fashioned white people just pay up even though there isn't always a clear legal basis for it.

That is also something I read about. That there is not really a legal basis that people owe taxes. And that now, some people went to court and such with this argument.

>Part of it is fear of how much you can get fucked over if the government decides to come after you for not paying your taxes properly.

I assume you can't just pay backtaxes? So people could be thrown into jail and such?
If say an illegal who is in the United States a long time never payed taxes. Maybe for 15 years. Then he thinks that he will stay anyway and he wants to get his things in order and wants to come clean and what not. He can't just go to the IRS and say: Hey, I want to pay taxes for the last 15 years?

Illegals paying back taxes has always been an interesting question, since the people who think it's retarded to allow so many illegals here don't want to give them the benefit of not having to play by the rules.

As a legal person, you'd have to pay back taxes, penalties, and whatever else if they came after you. There are probably ways to work it down if you go to court. Most people would rather avoid the trouble, since court is expensive and the government has an almost infinite pocket book when they take you to court.

>If you have a w2, youre letting the employer take the % of taxes owed. W9 is self employed and usually means no taxes taken out..which you have the option of paying up front, later or split up.

>EVERYTHING THATS in the form of a check, the government sees and knows about..so its
just a matter of time before they find out.

This is also something interesting about the United States. That you use checks. Years ago when I visited that was a thing. So this is still a thing? People have their littel checkbooks and whip out checks?

>If youre living a checkless society where cash is king..or "under the table" youre now bypassing the state and federal income taxes...cause they have no way to know what you make or do with it.

So say somebody would do this. Everything in cash and the IRS would have no way of knowing that there would be taxes owed or how much taxes there would be owed.

Could this person still file a tax form and write down, oh, I earned so and so much, it's a very low paying job and such. So he maybe would not even owe anything because he would be exempt?

It's rare to see checks in use outside of sometimes an old lady will write one at the grocery store or something. They're more common as a way to pay the rent, sometimes bills, car registration, settling financial matters between private individuals, maybe you'd get a check in your birthday card or whatever (gift cards probably more common these days), maybe some businesses like a gold dealer where you would be charged extra to cover to cost of using a credit card instead.

Cards or cash are usually used for day to day commerce.

>Illegals paying back taxes has always been an interesting question, since the people who think it's retarded to allow so many illegals here don't want to give them the benefit of not having to play by the rules.

This certainly should be a discussion. Because it looks like that some states like California and such has so many illegals that it's not possible to throw them all out.
So, if they anywayed stayed in the country they should pay taxes and contribute to paying for infrastructure and such.

>Sure it sound a lot simpler to just pay the taxes and go with it.
I was reading up on these people who don't pay taxes because they argue that there is no law as such where it's written that taxes are owed.

So they don't pay taxes for years or they even forge their tax forms for years and declare only a very low amount. Here they argue that since there is no law where it's written that taxes are owed, it's not really a forgery when they don't declare the right amount.

And after years and years of doing that, the amount that they owe the IRS is so large, that when they lose their court case or something, they go bankrupt because they can't pay.

Ok, so this paying for groceries with a check is no longer a thing.

Do you have other means like Apple pay and such?
Or are there places you can pay in Cryptos?

Yeah, there are a lot of people each with his or her own idea of how to get around paying income taxes. It's like a small industry almost. But the risk is always that if the government decides to fuck you over then they will fuck you over if only to make a public example out of you.

So it's not a battle that very many people see as being useful to fight. If you want to not pay federal income taxes, you almost have to organize your life around not paying and knowing how to get around it. Illegals kind of have it easy in this sense, because they fly under the radar for the most part.

You're probably gonna wanna go ahead and understand the difference between legal incidence and economic incidence before you believe any of that.

Yeah, Apple Pay is increasingly popular. Crypto is more unusual (a lot of people don't even really know what it is) so you kind of have to do business with other people into crypto or use different online services to convert it into a normal form of payment.

Some people have done experiments trying to live off of only crypto. It's possible depending on your situation, but it's another one of those things where you'd have to organize your life around being crypto-only if you wanted to do that.

>So it's not a battle that very many people see as being useful to fight. If you want to not pay federal income taxes, you almost have to organize your life around not paying and knowing how to get around it. Illegals kind of have it easy in this sense, because they fly under the radar for the most part.

Yeah, that's true. It sounds like to much of a hassle and a too big of a risk to actually do. And the people who get caught are really fucked.

Didn't Trump boast about not paying taxes during the campaign? Did someone find out how he did this?
And this wasn't very wise to boast about?

>You're probably gonna wanna go ahead and understand the difference between legal incidence and economic incidence before you believe any of that.

Please explain?

Trump, like most rich people and businesses hires a Jew or a team of Jews to use loopholes in the tax code so as to pay no taxes or to pay negative taxes. Totally legal, and one of the big problems with the tax code.

That's the big lie about cranking up the tax rate. The very richest people don't pay taxes anyway.

Something very important that nobody seems to have mentioned yet is refunds. If you're having taxes withheld by your employer chances are they're taking more than you should actually be paying over the course of the year. The deadline to file taxes is for filling out all the forms to claim those exemptions. People who make less than ~$25,000/yr. can usually get back almost all the money they paid, and you can get substantial refunds going forward from there. You can deduct all sorts of expenses too, like those related to attending higher education or certain types of business-related expenses. But you have to fill out all the forms correctly to get it. If you do the government will send you a refund check, if not they just keep the money.

I just think that the possibility that some Russian fuck hacks Apple pay is quite large. So I don't really (yet) trust these systems.

And yes, for Crypto one has to organise their life around it. There is also the discussion that Crypto are not really money because they are too volatile. But with this one, we will see.

About Crypto and taxes. There are actually now countries that give out information how to declare the Crypto in your tax forms. So that people who have large assets in Crypto still pay their owed taxes.

Trump's boast was that the system completely allowed him to. He even said during his campaign that he can work to remove the loopholes since his company had to find them all anyway. It was a wise boast because it's just like everyday people who would exploit any tax break they could get rather than paying more to the state.

You would know if what he did was illegal because they would have got him for it.

That's really some bad shit.
I imagine that generates a lot of additional hate for rich people. The normal wage slaves pays his taxes and has only very little savings left, and then you hear about people who boast about not paying taxes.

Yeah, crypto is really interesting. Whether you believe there's some secret nefarious side to it or not, it's just so different compared to traditional economic transactions that you have to wonder what's going to happen long term.

I regret not finding the time to mine it back when it came out and I had access to tons of spare cycles on what were then regarded as supercomputers. Oh well. What is a man but a miserable pile of regrets?

So by now someone from the government must have found the loophole and removed it? Or maybe not, since Trump is in the White House?

Sane people understand that the system is rigged and don't hate rich people for being rich. There's a whole industry of tax firms here for people who live sufficiently complex lives to make use of the loopholes. It's not as accessible to younger people who rent everything and have a wagecuck job and maybe student loans and that's about it. But your typical middle class person with a house, and especially small business owners (most business is still small business) will often be able to play at least some games on their taxes.

Yes that particular loophole was removed by congress right after it was done about 30 years ago

>I imagine that generates a lot of additional hate for rich people
Only in the simplified, Scrooge-McDuck jumping into a pile of gold coins kind of way. Apple is HQ'd in California but routes most of its sales into a Nevada holding company to avoid paying Cali taxes, but liberals still worship the company and the CEOs still brag about how they're doing nothing wrong and contributing to the community.

Yes, because mining also gets more expensive the more volume there is?
I'm actually now not quite sure of the details. But it has something to do with the cost of electricity and that (with Bitcoin) the blocks on the blockchain get longer and longer so with every transaction there have to be more transactions verified.

I actually have to look that up.
That's a topic for another therad.

>cost of electricity
Yeah, something like that. But my employer was paying for the equipment and the electricity, so it would have been totally free to me except for the effort to set up a mining operation. I probably still should -- there are so many spare cycles.

>but liberals still worship the company and the CEOs still brag about how they're doing nothing wrong and contributing to the community.

Yes, it's funny seeing eco friendly, vegan eating, social awareness preaching hipsters with iPhone. Stupid cucks.

The worker fills out his own tax withholding form and signs it. You dont have to deduct anything, it is only criminal if you end up owing taxes at the end of the year and don't pay them on time.

Sometime people will do things like claim 9 dependents or exempt in the weeks leading up to Christmas in order to get all of their money without withholdings.

Some employers don't do withholdings for you at all, and it is up to you to report your warnings and pay the Jew.

>I probably still should -- there are so many spare cycles.
You should. Also interesant as an experiment.

>Sometime people will do things like claim 9 dependents or exempt in the weeks leading up to Christmas in order to get all of their money without withholdings.

Maybe the next sandnigger with his 9 wives has 9 dependents?

Should switch to the Mafia model. Let the counties handle all tax collection and kick up a percentage to the state and the state kicks up a percentage to the fed. Watch leftists heads roll when they realize the best way to protest Trump is tax cuts

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White bois pay and jews and nogs receive

I dunno man I'm a marine and I just use TurboTax

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taxes are an abomination in this country and the founding fathers would overthrow our government if they were alive today the last revolutionary war was fought over less than 10% taxes most americans between 30 and 50% yeah half their fucking income to the tax machine federal reserve but are too weak willed / unknoweldable about how the value of currency is derived to do anything about.

i have no fuckin clue, paying taxes is what goys are for

>most americans between 30 and 50% yeah half their fucking income to the tax machine federal reserve but are too weak willed / unknoweldable about how the value of currency is derived to do anything about.

Is this true? Are you saying that most american pay 30 % to 50 % of their income for taxes?

>i have no fuckin clue, paying taxes is what goys are for

Where are you? So, you don't pay taxes?

50% is a lot, but if you're somewhere in the middle class and don't have a bunch of deductions or loopholes or whatever, then it's easy to get whacked for 30%.