Net Neutrality

They don't. The people who own the infrastructure have fewer options for dealing with congestion as a result of the legislation. Additionally providers have their usage subsidized by the ISP consumer.
Makes it harder for me to start an ISP.
This isn't true. On a per area basis sure.
If you want to leverage anti-monopoly laws against them when they do bad stuff, then please do. I encourage you.
We don't need additional regulation that throws gum in the works hoping fewer fingers will get pinched as a result.
>It's just making sure a business doesn't do something noncompetitive or against anti-monopoly laws.
If you want to leverage anti-monopoly laws against them when they do bad stuff, then please do. I encourage you.
We don't need additional regulation that throws gum in the works hoping fewer fingers will get pinched as a result.

Oh no, of course not. I'm not Pro-Net Neutrality at all, actually extremely Anti-Net Neutrality and I believe the issue I stated above should really be taken care of by local voters of those very cities.

I was just stating how badly under-educated many are of these simple issues. Much like the current Social Media monopolies being built.

>net neutrality bad!
The absolute state of nu/pol/

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I’m not a pro NN faggot but I hate this kind of this I’m so smart posting. How about you tell us what these acts do instead of naming them if you wanna get your point across

makes misbehavior worse but ok internet god

and how does it do this, exactly?

Good step, now get rid of the entry barriers and you'll have nothing to worry about

it was deemed terrible the first time around. if you think it is good, then you are part of nu/pol, but some of us still remember 2015

pic related

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No, it wasn't. Trumpfags just shilled against it mercilessly. Look at nearly any anti-NN posts and it's clear they don't even have a rudimentary grasp of what net neutrality is about.

When you are drunk you have little to no control over your body. The regulations on alcohol straight up make you more free.

see

either way we're getting fucked in the ass while these kikes take our shekels

When you are a democrat, you have little to no control over your brain. The regulations against left-wing movements straight up make you smarter.

obama = bad
obama = net neutrality

net neutrality = bad

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>this has a lot of words in it, it must be true

>It was over before you even realized it began

Lmfao

>Corporations have always acted in the best interest of their customers!
>Trust the corporations.

kys, thx.

>implying that cases haven't been previously brought against ISP corporations and beat said corporations

Learn more, thx.

Ask liberals, they have a monopoly on regulation

Did you take that one straight out of the talmud?

>lets just hope they don't fuck us over instead of taking action to prevent it from happening
grow a spine

>tells him to grow a spine
>while he supports the big daddy government to help him instead of taking action into his own hands

>all these words and I can't find a single one to discredit
>tl:dr :^)

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the government exists as a tool for the citizenry to enact national level change, what the fuck are you smoking

>like socialism

>remind me again how the constitution and law, a list of rules, make us more free?

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Yeah, conspiracy theories and role-playing really hold a lot of merit.

Net Neutrality - give FCC total regulatory control over the internet and pretend you're fighting the man while doing it.
If you're still fooled by benign names like "The Patriot Act" in 2018 you deserve the rope.

>if it's not laid out in an infographic I can't be bothered
GenZ everyone

>Government serves the citizens
What the fuck are YOU smoking. I know that was the idea but it's definitely not what's happening in the real world, especially USA (which is the subject of this topic)

What about the government as a whole? Can I use that same argument?
Fair point. I live in a fairly rural/suburban area with at least 5 choices for cable/internet. for many miles. I'm for legislation that prevents monopolizing, but being a libertardian I'd much rather see legislation that promotes monopolies be taken out.
Our constitution is a list of rights that the government must not impede on. I'm fine with having a list of rights that cannot be taken away by the government rather than having a big list of things that I or collections of people cannot do peacefully.

Google doesn't hide right-winged views, I get ben Shapiro, alt-hype, all that shit on my feed ez and I'm not even subscribed.

>tell your story
Who else has been suffering since it began.

...what?

I'd actually be for a pre-paid like model with internet

offer unlimited, and tiered plans

I know many boomers who only use their laptop to shop online or use facebook, why the fuck should they have to pay 90 a month when they only use two services?

>remind me again how establishing rules for the people who have guns to not get involved where they shouldn't makes us more free?

Your point is that the constitution makes us more free, but you didn't realize that this is the opposite of the part of the constitution that makes us free.

Not all regulations mean slavery. Imagine a world without laws that prohibit murder or theft. We would have criminals running around killing us, stealing from us. That in and of itself is slavery, slavery of a different sort. You have to look at regulations individually, not paint them all with a broad brush.

NYC is one of the only areas in the country you CAN get Verizon to install FiOS, the city is suing them into doing it.

If you're in a FiOS area in NYC and want service, you just have to call and ask, they're currently installing for tons of people, you just have to call and ask for it, assuming they have fiber in your area, you'll get hooked up in a few weeks at most.

>internet at speeds fast enough to even stream youtube
Also, just saying, but Verizon peering to youtube servers is actually garbage, during peak use hours (7-10pm), especially on a friday or saturday night, youtube buffers with FiOS, even a FiOS 1gbps connection trying to load a 720p youtube video.

If I switch to a VPN though, no more buffering. So it's obviously a verizon peering point that's over-saturated.

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I lost my whole family and 8 of my friends to deaths directly from net neutrality. How are you s coping. Did any of you lose anyone to this scourge. I’m so happy they voted against I hope it saves lives.

>meanwhile companies cant find employees because they stopped paper applications years ago

did application sorting by name for a small hardware store for 6 months (found a better job) and half of the applications they get in may as well be written in a foreign language, and its not stupid people either, the manager there now can barely write on paper without it looking like chicken scrawls

online apps also make it easier to sort names

Too bad for you nobody cares you liberal cuck.

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Well since you asked, since companies can't build buildings on the freeway, you can drive pretty fast on it

It's a subsidy for big companies. Your prices will go up, theirs will go down. Also, it gives them and the government the power to protect you which is a nice way of saying they will decide acceptable opinions.

who says i'm a liberal? Online application system make narrowing down employees to interview sooo much easier vs literally bringing in 50-60 people and only hiring one or two out of the whole bunch

like, we can narrow down who to bring in based solely on the job history and education, vs bringing everyone in with the old paper system

>fair access to internet
There is no such thing. Give me fair access to your wife's vagina, faggot.

Does the company own the freeway on which they built the building? Then it's fine, though they will have problems with business since there is no reasonable place to park with all of the traffic weaving around it.
If they don't own the freeway then they will likely have their building torn down and the people will probably not utilize their dumb business

>was going to post this
>someone already did
good on you, user.
Have this one as well

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>slavery is freedom
literally the exact same thought process.

>being this much of a brainlet
Have this article as well.
cnet.com/news/comcast-vs-netflix-is-this-really-about-net-neutrality/
tl:dr; netflix was taking advantage of (then) current "net neutrality" laws to not pay for their overabundant share of traffic as well as try to cry fowl on and not pay concerning contracts that they voluntarily signed.

Inevitable. Regulation is unavoidable to protect the consumer in today's world. Libertarians are idiots.

What baffles me is that there can't be a third option: FCC fucks off, but we have legislation that says "A byte is a byte, and you can't discriminate between them, where they came from or where they're going". Nothing stopping ISPs from charging by volume.

Also, how can anyone look at this issue and say
>Net Neutrality lets globalists control the internet, because there's so few ISPs
when letting ISPs do whatever they want achieves the same result?

You know the ftc warranty sticker ban made it so you can repair your shit without the warranty being voided. That's the good kind of regulation.

If you purchase something with a warranty (a contract between you and the company/person who built it) you should respect the contract or be punished.
I think warranties are just a very small, and not very useful version of insurance. Don't purchase a warranty or a product that forces you to get a warranty you won't use if you hate the fact that fucking up your own repairs won't get you a new free product.
I think that if the product breaks on it's own the company SHOULD fix it out of good will but I don't believe that you are entitled to new hardware from the company

You don't need a reminder, liberals are fucking idiots. They apparently like their regulations that were written by Google to empower Google and protect Google. Nothing about current net neutrality is neutral to anyone except Google.

>No NN means ISPs will rape us!!
>as Google/Amazon/Netflix make all our internet bills higher because they dont help pay for the infrastructure they rely on
Internets been dead since 2007 when the first iphone came out, so none of this shit matters anyways

Reminders
dailywire.com/news/24004/everything-you-need-know-about-why-net-neutrality-harry-khachatrian
rcrwireless.com/20170503/opinion/net-neutrality-5G-tag9

you dont need internet

>kids

have them watch the yard and pick up any debris

back when i was young we were locked out of the house on the weekends

I need to drink

why cant a man drink a whole bottle of whiskey

You can very easily drink a bottle of whisky if you are over 120lbs
Of course you'll probably get sick if you aren't an alcoholic
t. alcoholic (160lbs) who drank a liter of bourbon a day for 5 years

>Remind me again how more regulations makes something more free?

Net Neutrality is a free speech issue first and foremost. With NN and Title II, you can sue the government for censorship and take it all the way to the supreme court. If the government decided that Jow Forums was a haven for hate speech and wanted to ban it, you could sue them for a first amendment violation and take it to the highest court in the nation.

If NN is repealed, and Comcast decides Jow Forums is a haven for hate speech, you have no recourse. The Internet is theirs and the content they deliver is purely what they choose you to see or not see. What was previously a public space with first amendment rights becomes a private space with only rights given to you by whatever corporation you pay to get access to the Internet.

Which sounds better to you, fuckbag?

buddy i drink like 3 bottles a night, my dumbass girlfriend says i need to stop

so i smacked her up good, women are useless tools and should not have rights

i only have sex because she said she "felt sorry for me" we all know she finds me sexy

none of this will happen, NN is actually a method so Netflix and amazon dont have to pay ISP for all of the bandwidth that they hog

the absolute worst we will see is netflix's service MIGHT go up to 20-30 bucks a month, which really isn't that much of an increase from 13 a month

>none of this will happen

sure buddy.

also Netflix is a big ass mega corp now, they are publicly traded, and made the Fortune 500 list like 5 years ago

I remember the same hype being spread back in 2006 with HR 5252

nothing happened

Netflix is pretty much a TV Network now, they produce countless original content (most of which sucks)

It is illegal to compete with providers in my state and they have effectively BANNED holding any votes for a public telecoms service.

Best of all, few people are readily aware the ban was implemented and is in place.

>Buy laptop
>has 4 gb of ram
>upgrade it to 16 gb by taking it apart and putting more ram in
>you have voided the warranty for self upgrading
Ur a macfag aren't you?

liberals are pretending to care about this again?

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Yeah but those regulations don't add anything that we can't already do. The FCC can already investigate ISP's without NN and take them to court if they find dirty laundry. While I do like the idea that some things would be more "set in stone" in terms of how ISP's can reasonably conduct business, ultimately the regulation adds a precedent that doesn't truly benefit anyone and can be used at a later date to defend deeper regulation. We do not want the state to take more than the inch they already have, basically. It just doesn't add any value to us to do this.

>not reading a contract before signing it
Read my post. If you don't want the warranty don't buy it. If the product forces you to buy the warranty don't get that product.
I do think that warranty is a good thing and I think warranties like the one you have stated are dumb, but you aren't entitled to a free laptop if you short something out when you drool all over your motherboard like a retard when you try to replace your cpu.

What's an internets?
We access these forums using morse code through a phone line

Why should I pay more for internet, so liberals can hog bandwidth to binge "Dear White People" on Netflix?

I am having trouble determining whether you are sincere or not. People are giving you concrete examples of monopolistic practices and idiotic sole-source agreements by territory and like some libertarian holdout who doesn't want to pay for roads or water or sewage, you just regurgitate basic talking points: more regulation....bad!

The world is complicatex, and large corporations do not make it easier or realize e
Market efficiencies. If Congress wasn't awash in contribution from various telecom providers and content providers, maybe your naive views would at least be a tenable argument. But that isn't where we are. The telecoms are throttling service and increasingly doing so as we become increasingly dependent on their infrastructure.

So give it a rest and lurk a little and read up on what motivates the move to net neutrality.

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>I am having trouble determining whether you are sincere or not. People are giving you concrete examples of monopolistic practices and idiotic sole-source agreements by territory and like some libertarian holdout who doesn't want to pay for roads or water or sewage, you just regurgitate basic talking points: more regulation....bad!
I dunno pretty sure there wasn't any of that there. Maybe you're conflating me with some other poster.
Honestly I made that post so long ago didn't realize this thread was still up.

>The world is complicatex, and large corporations do not make it easier or realize e
Market efficiencies
Manic typing aside, the market does one hell of a job feeling itself out compared to the detached government. If you honestly want to say the government can deal with market idiosyncrasies better than the actual players you need to read up on economics.

>If Congress wasn't awash in contribution from various telecom providers and content providers
that's literally my point. You want these telecom providers to dictate what the NN legislation looks like. There's no way around it if you want NN legislation. It's not hard

Obligatory post. I also don't understand why people want the government to be able to close down any website they want because "Russian hackers."

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>9000 word story that might have something to do with net neutrality
Now do it in two sentences and I might actually read it

Bump

Bump.

Also why not thread??

The big content people at Google, Netflix, Twitter, Apple, Amazon etc just want cheaper bandwidth and the ISPs want to charge these content providers more money. That's all that's happening here.

They deserve to the right to charge whatever they want its their business no fucking commi shill should tell them what they can and can't charge.

I agree, I dont want the government touching the internet. They will just fuck it up, like they do to everything else.